Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?

[Bryancd]

Avatar benefited from being less a film and more a visual event that everyone felt compelled to see regardless of the actual story. And that understandable. Titanic did so well because of a huge turnout of women to see the film. Titanic box office also includes re-releases, as does Avatar's, and even a 3D conversion release that even I went to see. TFA will likely see a re-release in fall 2017 before Ep. 8 which should put it online or ahead of Titanic, a testimony to its appeal to a female audience. That's why TFA has eclipsed films like Avengers and Jurrasic World as those failed to attract as strong a female auduence. And following Variety and Box Office mojo, they expert qualify TFA's weekly numbers and no where is there talk of poor word of mouth or a percipitous or unusual decline in weekly numbers. On the contrary considering the number of screens, TFA's performance was noted for its legs and strength.

Here are the actual daily numbers showing percentage changes to better inform. You keep stating things as fact when they are not, your "analysis" is fundamentally incorrect.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Star-Wars-Ep-VII-The-Force-Awakens#tab=box-office

 

[joshvanrad]

I don't really care if it is the top grossing movie of all time. It was a kickass movie, and that's really all I care about. The $$ supports my opinion that I'm in the majority.

The stupid, filth-ridden, inferior majority. The below-intelligent masses. And I'm fine being a part of that group when it comes to this movie.

 

[The Wook]

I don't really care if it is the top grossing movie of all time. It was a kickass movie, and that's really all I care about. The $$ supports my opinion that I'm in the majority.

The stupid, filth-ridden, inferior majority. The below-intelligent masses. And I'm fine being a part of that group when it comes to this movie.

I noticed how you completely avoided acknowledging my post on the previous page in which I proved your claim about haters to be patently false.

There's nothing wrong with admitting you were mistaken, Joshua. It's a sign of strength, and maturity.

The Wook

 

[joshvanrad]

I noticed how you completely avoided acknowledging my post on the previous page in which I proved your claim about haters to be patently false.

There's nothing wrong with admitting you were mistaken, Joshua. It's a sign of strength, and maturity.

The Wook

I'm supposed to be repentant because you posted a combined 15 seconds of screen time you thought was OK, after you've posted TONS of, not just criticism, but HATE for the film?

Nah man, I still think you're a complete troll and nut job. Sorry.

I can honestly say I've never seen a single time in my short few years here where someone has posted so many inflammatory comments. You've engaged in so few constructive conversations, all the while, inferring that anybody who liked this movie is stupid because they are a part of the masses. I think you treat people like trash on here, pretend like you don't and that they should have a "thicker skin", post more inflammatory trash, and then get away with it.

But here is the deal, I don't use the ignore function on internet forums. I never have, and I never will. But from here on out I'm just done responding to you. I'm not going to acknowledge you, comment directly on one of your posts, or call your name into conversation until a time comes when a conversation is had where you act like a civilized human-being- and not some know-all hack from wherever the hell you come from.

Go ahead and have the last word if that's what you want.

 

[Mr Mold Maker]

There's nothing wrong with admitting you were mistaken. It's a sign of strength, and maturity.

The Wook

:facepalm

 

[The Wook]

But here is the deal, I don't use the ignore function on internet forums. I never have, and I never will. But from here on out I'm just done responding to you. I'm not going to acknowledge you, comment directly on one of your posts, or call your name into conversation until a time comes when a conversation is had where you act like a civilized human-being- and not some know-all hack from wherever the hell you come from.

Listen pal, you and Bryan et al, beeahtched and complained ad nauseam that I was ruining your lovefest in the Post-Release thread, with my negative comments about the film, and that I only belonged in this thread. So I stopped posting there weeks ago, and brought my criticisms of the film here. But what did you guys do?? You followed me here, like rabid dogs, looking for a fight!

Face it. You don't want ANY dissenting views that aren't your own voiced anywhere on this forum, and likely, anywhere in your life.

So I'm glad you've committed to stop stalking me, you little POS, because I thought I'd left you behind weeks ago when I bounced from the lovefest thread. Good riddance.

The Wook

ps~POS stands for Pal of Star Wars.

 

[Bryancd]

Listen pal, you and Bryan et al, beeahtched and complained ad nauseam that I was ruining your lovefest in the Post-Release thread, with my negative comments about the film, and that I only belonged in this thread. So I stopped posting there weeks ago, and brought my criticisms of the film here. But what did you guys do?? You followed me here, like rabid dogs, looking for a fight!

Face it. You don't want ANY dissenting views that aren't your own voiced anywhere on this forum, and likely, anywhere in your life.

So I'm glad you've committed to stop stalking me, you little POS, because I thought I'd left you behind weeks ago when I bounced from the lovefest thread. Good riddance.

The Wook

ps~POS stands for Pal of Star Wars.

Personally I didn't want separate threads, I think ALL comments good and bad should have been in just the one. So now there are two and I visit both as this is a DISCUSSION forum and I don't avoid discussions that may be country to what I think or irritate me, I welcome the challenge.

And I have moved on debating the actual film with it's detractors but I will point out factual errors about the films public perception and economics, which you keep getting wrong. Just because you say the same incorrect thing over and over again does't make it correct.

 

[The Wook]

I certainly would and can't wait to share [TFA] with my 3 year old son. But I'm not here to throw sunshine on your rain parade, just pointing out the thread is redundant. Carry on.

You posted the above 3 weeks ago in this thread. Tell me, Bryan, is your hyper-activity here in the last couple weeks since I started exclusively posting my criticisms in this thread your idea of "I'm not here to throw sunshine on your rain parade", and, "Carry on"?

I'm not suggesting you not post here. But do try to keep your story straight--lest you embarrass yourself.

The Wook

 

[Bryancd]

You posted the above 3 weeks ago in this thread. Tell me, Bryan, is your hyper-activity here in the last couple weeks since I started exclusively posting my criticisms in this thread your idea of "I'm not here to throw sunshine on your rain parade", and, "Carry on"?

The Wook

It's worth knocking you down a peg, you need the perspective.

 

[The Wook]

It's worth knocking you down a peg, you need the perspective.

Good luck with that task, Sisyphus.

The Wook

 

[Bryancd]

So to add to the empirical data pile on as opposed to your WAG's, if you compare TFA weekly box office figures against Jurassic World or Avengers, TFA destroys them both, its not even close.That's for the initial 5 weeks domestically which is the current extent of TFA's run. In that 5th week of release, Avengers and Jurassic World grossed $28M and $27M respectively while TFA did $39M. That a 25% outperformance. And that's during the winter in Jan. not the summer. It's impossible to solve for your "bad word of mouth" contention when the data runs contrary. If the film at week three was suffering from this "backlash" it would be apparent from the box office receipts. It's simply not present.

 

[The Wook]

So to add to the empirical data pile on as opposed to your WAG's, if you compare TFA weekly box office figures against Jurassic World or Avengers, TFA destroys them both, its not even close.That's for the initial 5 weeks domestically which is the current extent of TFA's run. In that 5th week of release, Avengers and Jurassic World grossed $28M and $27M respectively while TFA did $39M. That a 25% outperformance. And that's during the winter in Jan. not the summer. It's impossible to solve for your "bad word of mouth" contention when the data runs contrary. If the film at week three was suffering from this "backlash" it would be apparent from the box office receipts. It's simply not present.

But the drop-off is the same (or similar) to those movies, and very dissimilar to the drop-off of Titanic and Avatar. Which is and has been my point. The Force Awakens, it became clear in week 3, is not performing like Titanic and Avatar--movies which made $25M+ week after week after week after week--but more like traditional blockbusters who open with enormous hauls, and then drop off precipitously.

It's only been 5 weeks since TFA came out, and it made a pedestrian $14M this weekend. Avatar didn't drop to performance level at the box office for 4 months! And Titanic didn't register such meager numbers until it had been out for over 4 months!

Like I've been saying, all along...TFA does not have the legs of those two films, and it will not set the worldwide record!

Facts are stubborn things, Bryan.

The Wook

 

[Bryancd]

It's a straw man argument in so far as releases are different now, they open on far more screens and front end load the numbers, so it's not an apt comparison. Avatar did as well as it did due to overseas where Star Wars has less brand recognition in Asia. TFA is still in theaters and globaly, and considering Titanic had re-release and a 3D release (I explained all this), TFA likely by the release of Ep. VIII will be number 2, and that's incredible. Avatar wasn't a film as so much as a visual experience. The story was secondary to the.... You know, I posted this on the last page, why do I have to explain it again to you? In actual dollars, TFA has made far more money more quickly. The reason I reference Avengers and Jurrasic World is because they were more recent releases based on the more modern model. Try and keep up.

 

[The Wook]

It's a straw man argument in so far as releases are different now, they open on far more screens and front end load the numbers, so it's not an apt comparison. Avatar did as well as it did due to overseas where Star Wars has less brand recognition in Asia. TFA is still in theaters and globaly, and considering Titanic had re-release and a 3D release (I explained all this), TFA likely by the release of Ep. VIII will be number 2, and that's incredible. Avatar wasn't a film as so much as a visual experience. The story was secondary to the.... You know, I posted this on the last page, why do I have to explain it again to you? In actual dollars, TFA has made far more money more quickly. The reason I reference Avengers and Jurrasic World is because they were more recent releases based on the more modern model. Try and keep up.

Bryan, you're just not getting it. TFA had one chance, just one chance to set the worldwide record. And that was IF it performed along the same unusual trajectory as Titanic and Avatar. But it is not. It is performing along the same trajectory of the traditional blockbuster.

Therefore, it will not reach Avatar's $2.8B. Not even close.

It's really quite simple. Reach back to your mathematics lessons in school. You'll get it.

The Wook

 

[Bryancd]

No, it won't reach Avatar's final global box office but it will likely rival Titanic. But that's not what we are discussing. As I said, lack of awareness of the franchise in Asia limits box office. But the US records have fallen, and apparently you just can't deal with that. This train has left the station and you are still on the platform.

Do you even know what. Straw Man argument is? I can walk you thought that.

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Is your contention if TFA doesn't exceed Avatar it's a failure?

 

[The Wook]

No, it won't reach Avatar's final global box office but it will likely rival Titanic. But that's not what we are discussing. As I said, lack of awareness of the franchise in Asia limits box office. But the US records have fallen, and apparently you just can't deal with that. This train has left the station and you are still on the platform.

Do you even know what. Straw Man argument is? I can walk you thought that.

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Is your contention if TFA doesn't exceed Avatar it's a failure?

Nope. Do you even read my posts?? I've said repeatedly that TFA is a mega-hit commercially, but that it stinks artistically--which is why it is not following the Titanic/Avatar box office trajectory. Therefore, it won't have the legs to even approach Avatar's $2.8B record.

The Wook

ps~I know what a Straw Man Argument is, but I'm not making one. You, with your blinders on, are misconstruing my argument. And if not because of blinders, then that leaves trolling as your motivation. I don't know which is worse.

 

[Bryancd]

Oh, I'm sorry. Understand under no uncertain terms I am trolling you. You've created so much I'll will in various threads it seemed the right thing to do.

 

[The Wook]

Oh, I'm sorry. Understand under no uncertain terms I am trolling you. You've created so much I'll will in various threads it seemed the right thing to do.

Well, I should feel at home in this thread--a thread dedicated to those of us who didn't like the picture. But instead, you et al have *tried* to turn me into mverta. :lol

The Wook

 

[yaris]

Thread Title = "Am I Really The Only One Disappointed With TFA?"
Replies = 438
Views = 11,500
Result = It would appear that opinions are like a.s.s.h.o.l.e.s...everyone has got one.
Observation = "Are you calling me an a.s.s.h.o.l.e ?.....No, but I think you should start a thread and ask what others think"

 

[Bryancd]

Well, I should feel at home in this thread--a thread dedicated to those of us who didn't like the picture. But instead, you et al have *tried* to turn me into mverta. :lol

The Wook

i miss him.