Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?

I think the SW fanbase collectively tends to forget something - at the time this movie was being made, it had not come out yet.

Disney gave us exactly what we asked for 3 years ago. Exactly.

Now we got it, and 5 minutes later we're already complaining that it's not exactly what we want to have next time.

Man, tough crowd.




As for Han's death feeling meaningless - Can you honestly say that you would have expected Indiana Jones to get killed by Kylo on that catwalk? I don't think so.

Well that is how the non-diehard public saw Han Solo up to now. His death in TFA actually was surprising for many viewers.

We are SW diehards. We know stupid amounts of stuff about the franchise. We know Harrison Ford has wanted Han dead for damn near 40 years. We went into this movie already expecting anyone who is an Obi-Wan-like character to get killed in the 3rd act. We went into this movie expecting either Han or Chewie to buy it. By the time Kylo was bringing out the lightsaber we were looking at Han like the "Dead Meat" character in Hot Shots.
 
I think the SW fanbase collectively tends to forget something - at the time this movie was being made, it had not come out yet.

Disney gave us exactly what we asked for 3 years ago. Exactly.

Now we got it, and 5 minutes later we're already complaining that it's not exactly what we want to have next time.

Man, tough crowd.




As for Han's death feeling meaningless - Can you honestly say that you would have expected Indiana Jones to get killed by Kylo on that catwalk? I don't think so.

Well that is how the non-diehard public saw Han Solo up to now. His death in TFA actually was surprising for many viewers.

We are SW diehards. We know stupid amounts of stuff about the franchise. We know Harrison Ford has wanted Han dead for damn near 40 years. We went into this movie already expecting anyone who is an Obi-Wan-like character to get killed in the 3rd act. We went into this movie expecting either Han or Chewie to buy it. By the time Kylo was bringing out the lightsaber we were looking at Han like the "Dead Meat" character in Hot Shots.

Tough crowd, is right. Downright ungrateful, me thinks.
 
Well, we all have different social and business circles we traffic in, but that's surprising no one's uttered a discouraging word to you about the film. Not saying I don't believe you, JD...obviously, I do. But do you think perhaps people aren't being honest with you? For example, most everyone in my network knows all about my love of Star Wars, and what I've done with it professionally. So, I've had several people tell me they liked the film, but then when I told them I didn't like it, they fessed up that they didn't like it either, but thought for sure I would, given my love of the franchise and its characters. Once I told them how disappointed I was, they admitted they agreed it was weak. But that they just didn't want to rain on what they assumed would be my enjoyment of the film.
It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I don't believe you.

The outstanding reviews and the number of tickets alone simply overrule what you're saying. The 90% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes - and the 8.4 user ranking on the IMdb prove otherwise. Besides, based on your statement here you've basically skewed any reasonable answer by somewhat "poisoning the well." Which is the truth the original answer or the answer they gave to agree with you?

Sure some people didn't like this movie. Deny it all you'd like, but, The simple truth is more liked it than disliked it.
 
It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I don't believe you.

The outstanding reviews and the number of tickets alone simply overrule what you're saying. The 90% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes - and the 8.4 user ranking on the IMdb prove otherwise. Besides, based on your statement here you've basically skewed any reasonable answer by somewhat "poisoning the well." Which is the truth the original answer or the answer they gave to agree with you?

Sure some people didn't like this movie. Deny it all you'd like, but, The simple truth is more liked it than disliked it.

I said some people did that about face upon learning I didn't like the movie. And I was not poisoning any well. I deliberately let them speak first as to WHY they didn't like the movie, so as to not provide them talking points with which to ingratiate themselves with me.

But that was only some people. There were plenty who just came out and told me they didn't like it, without me telling them I didn't like it. Overall, I'd say for every person I've discussed the film with since it premiered who liked it, I've met two people who didn't like it.

The Wook
 
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I'd say for every person I've discussed the film with since it premiered who liked it, I've met two people who didn't like it.

The Wook

Oh, but of course. Evidently this 2-to-1 majority of eloquent voices of exceptional breeding are being drowned out by the simpleton horde at rottentomatoes whose overly maleable minds "fail to understand"!
 
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There's nothing wrong with Star Wars, or any other movie, borrowing elements from previous films/books/historical events. It's been happening since the beginning of film.
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I have no problem doing something again, if it's done better than before. Because it takes a good idea, and gives it the emotional weight and gravitas it deserves, and that's all people will remember.

The Wook

Okay. So they did not get the emotional part right in TFA?

I felt nothing when Han died. Most people I know, who are bonafide Star Wars fans (just as you are, I'm sure), felt nothing. Never have I been asked to mourn a more empty, emotionless death.

The Wook

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Boy did that image get to me. And the third time viewing TFA and seeing how Han died, with that image in my mind ...
 
A few years ago I saw a really crap-tastic film called the Avengers, even though I loved the characters and the comics, the movie sucked big time! I never considered starting a thread to bitch about it, or tried to convince most of the world they were wrong about how good it was (or it's popularity), I just moved on with life (that thing that happens when we aren't online ;) ). Wasn't there a song in that Frozen movie about this? (I didn't see that either) :)
 
A few years ago I saw a really crap-tastic film called the Avengers, even though I loved the characters and the comics, the movie sucked big time! I never considered starting a thread to bitch about it, or tried to convince most of the world they were wrong about how good it was (or it's popularity), I just moved on with life (that thing that happens when we aren't online ;) ). Wasn't there a song in that Frozen movie about this? (I didn't see that either) :)

That´s what makes daddies big ;) And I am not referring to that Frozen song ;)
 


Boy did that image get to me. And the third time viewing TFA and seeing how Han died, with that image in my mind ...

This!!

This is what I think is being so totally missed.

We know the good years between Han & Kylo existed on paper, but they are not real to us emotionally. So Han's decision seems foolhardy to us on the sidelines. We can hear about ​the whole picture of what went on there, but we cannot feel it.
 
:lol Hey man, it's no different than Bryan writing to @Sluis Van Shipyards, "Jason, Dan and I have tried to explain...".

Isn't the translation of that: "Sluis, why are you so dense that you can't grasp what Dan and I are trying so very hard to explain to you for the umpteenth time?".

lmfao

Fair enough but there is a major difference. One is opinion and speculation as to what is happening and the other is the reality of what is happening. You can make general comments like "people don't like the film" and "the film is suffering from bad word of mouth" without any qualification. You can say "they should have made bolder narrative choices and the film would have made $3B" without any means of proving that point. Instead, we do have qualified, imperial, real data as to the reality of the films performance and overall audience reaction to the story. And that reality is different from your speculation, profoundly.
 
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I think the main problem is that from what I've seen, none of the TFA cheerleaders will admit there's anything wrong with it; the fact that it copies heavily from ANH most of all. I liked the Prequels, but I will readily admit that there are problems with them. That fact made me lose a lot of hope for the SW fans because it looks like if you throw them something familiar, not even new, they will eat it up. That's why we got SW branded apples and oranges people.

I literally just made a post on the last page about how I didn't like an aspect of the film. And in the post release thread I put out a one million word essay on what I like and DISLIKED about the film.

The irony is astounding when you realize that all of the haters have ABSOLUTELY nothing positive to say about this film.
 
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This!!

This is what I think is being so totally missed.

We know the good years between Han & Kylo existed on paper, but they are not real to us emotionally. So Han's decision seems foolhardy to us on the sidelines. We can hear about ​the whole picture of what went on there, but we cannot feel it.

Daddy, you should listen to batguy, he knows the score.

Fair enough but there is a major difference. One is opinion and speculation as to what is happening and the other is the reality of what is happening. You can make general comments like "people don't like the film" and "the film is suffering from bad word of mouth" without any qualification. You can say "they should have made bolder narrative choices and the film would have made $3B" without any means of proving that point. Instead, we do have qualified, imperial, real data as to the reality of the films performance and overall audience reaction to the story. And that reality is different from your speculation, profoundly.

After the numbers were in for the third weekend, it became clear that TFA would not have the legs of Avatar or Titanic--it would instead follow the box office trajectory of traditional blockbusters like the TPM, LOTR, etc. The first reason is because film critics, bloggers, and other social media outlets were turning on TFA, calling it an egregious ripoff of ANH, and lambasting Rey (not Daisy, but Rey) for being a Mary Sue. The second reason is because bad word of mouth (everybody down a beer! lol) was catching up to the film, discouraging people from seeing the film if they hadn't yet seen it, or from seeing the film a second (or third, or fourth) time if they had seen it. The movie feels old after one viewing, maybe two if you're a diehard. Why? Because you've already seen the film a million and one times when you factor in all your viewing of ANH dating back to the summer of '77.

This is why TFA, while a commercial mega-hit for sure, is stalling out at the box office, and has no chance to catch Avatar--something it could've easily down, if they'd just made a good movie worth seeing over and over and over again.

Not sure how you missed this, Bryan. It was in all the papers.

In fact, I even posted about it at the time, when I wrote:

The reason Titanic, and then Avatar, ended up with their colossal hauls of 2.2B and 2.8B, respectively, is because they had very small percentage drop-offs from week to week to week to week to week, et cetera, for a long time. TFA performed great out of the gate, but it is slowing down so precipitously, that it will not follow the highly unusual trajectory of the two aforementioned Cameron films, but instead will follow the trajectory of traditional modern blockbusters, that have huge opening weekends, even huge first fortnights, but then they fizzle out at the box office.

TFA has another problem, besides fitting into this more common blockbuster box office trajectory, and that is the critics are turning on the film, and the bad word of mouth amongst moviegoers is catching up to the film. Every review, article, blog post, or other blurb about the film on social media is ripping TFA now for ripping off A New Hope, and ripping it off poorly, at that. People who haven't seen it are now happy to wait for the DVD (or not see it at all), and those who have seen it aren't seeing it over and over and over again, the way they did Titanic and Avatar.

TFA will not be the biggest movie worldwide of all time. It just won't have the legs to get there.

The Wook


I literally just made a post on the last page about how I didn't like an aspect of the film. And in the post release thread I put out a one million word essay on what I like and DISLIKED about the film.

The irony is astounding when you realize that all of the haters have ABSOLUTELY nothing positive to say about this film.

Well, Josh my friend, I don't have a million words of praise for TFA. But, you're wrong, because I've included the things I like, and indeed, loved about the film, in several posts in the Post-Release thread. Perhaps you're seeing only what you want to see? Here's just one example, which I posted weeks ago in the Post-Release thread:

Oh I get the business angle of it. And there's no denying it's a commercial mega-hit. But they played it waaaaaaaaay too safe, in making it waaaaaaaaay too derivative (a nicer word for ripoff). I'd be kinda okay if they'd made a good derivative film, but it stinks. It stinks from top to bottom...with just a handful of pearls in between: Daisy (not Rey's absurd powers, but Daisy's performance), BB8, Finn (although his humor bordered on being too much), Chewie getting up to play Dejarik, Luke was awesome at the end (he looks totally badass), I loved the "That was Lucky!" line as well as the "Stop holding my hand!" lines (see I told you I like girl power!), Kylo's fits of rage, the lightsaber duel choreography looked old school like the weapons were heavy instead of twirling batons, the TIE fighters flying towards us with the sun behind them, 3PO stepping between Han & Leia was funny, the laser blast halted in mid-flight was cool and novel...I really can't think of anything or anyone else that was good, and I've seen the movie twice.

The filmmakers could've accomplished everything you listed that they needed to accomplish and turned out a better, a MUCH better derivative to reboquel the series.


The Wook
 
If you are that confident that TFA will never be the number one film, how about you will ask for your account to be locked if it ever achieves it?
 
If you are that confident that TFA will never be the number one film, how about you will ask for your account to be locked if it ever achieves it?

Sure, if you and Bryan and Josh and JD and Wolfsburg and Kristen and Prosper all agree to have yours locked if it doesn't. :lol

The Wook
 
We aren't the ones making outlandish claims and passing them off as facts.

TFA may not make number one, but next week it will be on two billion.
 
We aren't the ones making outlandish claims and passing them off as facts.

TFA may not make number one, but next week it will be on two billion.

Hey - don't let the truth get in the way of personal opinion or crazy conspiracy theories. :lol
 
Yeah, not sure why I'm lumped in there. I've never said I thought TFA would be first in anything...nor have I even discussed its boxoffice performance that I can recall... nor do I really care. I'm the first to admit TFA wasn't perfect though I do generally ignore his inane ramblings...He's obviously trolling and I let it go long ago.
 
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