Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?
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Not buying it, Coop. I didn't like ESB when I saw it in the theater as an adolescent in the summer of '80. Nothing good befell our heroes in that film, and between that, and the abrupt and funereal ending, which left me sitting in my seat crestfallen, it took years, and a mature adult mind to grasp what a masterpiece the film truly is.
I'd be right there in line with you, Sluis.
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People love Vader.
I remember in 77 the audience actually booed the character. The villain was to be hated, granted in the fun way.
To quote Yoda: "That is why you fail...." They could have easily gotten the tone of the OT and came up with new stories. That's no excuse. Timothy Zahn did it in the Thrawn Trilogy. And no that's not me saying they should have done that (because someone will say it). I'm saying he created new stories using the OT cast, it was extremely familiar while delivering new exciting stories, and it was undeniably SW. I also didn't get so bored with it by the end that I was hoping it was about over.
I agree it could have been better.
But very few movies (especially with so much expectation heaped on) are spot-on perfect. This one erred in the direction that everyone wanted it to lean. IMO it deserves a little more forgiveness than the typical "it wasn't original" complaint.
Imagine if the whole world said they wanted TFA more nude & violent than the previous ones, and then Disney went too nude & violent with it. We still would not be thrilled about the result but I think we might be cutting it a little more slack.
But very few movies (especially with so much expectation heaped on) are spot-on perfect. This one erred in the direction that everyone wanted it to lean. IMO it deserves a little more forgiveness than the typical "it wasn't original" complaint.
Imagine if the whole world said they wanted TFA more nude & violent than the previous ones, and then Disney went too nude & violent with it. We still would not be thrilled about the result but I think we might be cutting it a little more slack.
Thrawn Trilogy is SO overrated. It's ok but doesn't hold up that well.
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Wow. I get people not liking TFA... but putting the prequels before TFA is just ludicrous. Those movies are failures on every level.
Probably went on and on about how terrible it was to whoever would listen, too. "Crestfallen", you say? The more things change...
Not selling anything, by the way. Just my opinion.
Hey, Coop, can I help it that I'm passionate about the things I love and hate? Most people I come in contact with, in the real world or online, appreciate my passion. They always know just what I'm thinking, and just where they stand with me.
I'm sorry my passion offends your sensitivities.
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robn1
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Considering JJ's prior work, it could have been a lot worse.
Solo4114
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I agree that the Thrawn trilogy isn't perfect, but as far as the novels go, it most closely gets the "feel" of the OT. The other stuff that I appreciated about it was that it felt like the Star Wars galaxy became a lot bigger. It really incorporated a fair amount of the material from the West End Games RPG, which I think really enriched the books. You see a bunch of that being incorporated by Rebels now, and even The Clone Wars, to a lesser extent.
But, it also set the stage for a ton of really boring and/or poorly written novels, and kind of froze the OT characters in amber, having them basically go through the motions each novel, and not really progress a ton as characters. It's what happens when you try to have "And they lived happily ever after" and combine it with "except when they had to defeat the Empire again."
I should note that I'm referring only to the stuff that was pre-Vector Prime. I'd stopped reading by that point, and I gather the universe just went totally batspit insane after that, especially with the Bio-Borg...er...Yuzahn Vong...and the decision to make everything all grimdark.
But I really did enjoy the "feel" of the Thrawn Trilogy, even years after it came out. It has its own nostalgic quality to it.
Really? How so?
joshvanrad
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Snoke is something predating the sith, and Kylo is just the leader of the Knights of Ren.
Same reason that the First Order is NOT the Empire. Just like how the Death Star and the Starkiller Base are two completely different things.
Take me for example. If someone said I was just another Prop/Replica collector, I would correct them by saying that I'm a collector of things that are made of things put together to resemble things that were used in movies and TV shows. While I may share all the fundamental principles of a prop/replica collector, that does not mean I'm similar to them in any way shape or form. I am something entirely different and I find it laughable anyone would draw comparisons in the first place.
In some ways, I wish I was a prop/replica collector. Just like how I wish I was a trekker instead of a trekkie.
So that's three answers that absolutely fail at listing a single difference shown beyond name.
Where are you hearing that Snoke predates the Sith? I missed that.
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We need a sarcasm font. I can't tell if you're joking or not here.
Sith is more like a religious sect. They implemented a bunch of rules... There can be only two and what not. That's how I took it. You can be a dark side user and be like "Nah... I don't need to have a master or anything... and I certainly don't wanna walk around in black all the time...."
Just different name for essentially the same thing.
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