Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction

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robn1

Master Member
I wanted to duplicate some of those exam photos but I had little time after it was finished. I did manage this one.
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ALLEY

Master Member
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I wanted to duplicate some of those exam photos but I had little after it was finished. I did manage this one.
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OK, Rob,

I now demand proof that you are not the builder of this newly discovered hero phaser.

I mean, I know that the build quality of this newly discovered hero is really not quite up to your standards, but I could see you blindfolding yourself and accomplishing that build using just your non-dominant hand.
 
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Highliners

Well-Known Member
Sorry, I'm not going to "relate" anything to anyone. I get paid well to that in real life, and believe it or not, I come on here for "fun".

Your delivery is exactly why you have been received poorly, I'm sorry to say, and you have returned in kind.

At no point has there been any sort of official opinion, party line, or groupthink, as far as I can tell. People have been offering their opinion, based on their understanding of the facts. Unless I missed something, I haven't seen any facts from you. Feel free to correct me if you have, it's been a long thread.

Now, your attempt at gatekeeping by saying only those who have made props can comment is frankly a pretty ridiculous standard. So only people who have recreated a phaser to a particular standard should be allowed to even ask questions? That's ridiculous!

If that's the case, show your phaser. You don't need to show all the details, pull out just enough to win.
Not gatekeeping, and that James I find is a bit much. Establishing that Robn1 does indeed live up to his word and claims is quite clear. And the only one thus far to do so. Nice crisp (meaing with sharp corners and clear delineation and no, not "Crispy", extra or other slangly.)

An other person shows a common 3D printer and hasn't mentioned the source of his surface contours, or any reference to experience with Non-Uniform Rationalized Baseline Splines, STL or IGES files. etc.

As for the rest on here as demonstrated by the all too common sophomoric name calling, images and GIFs, kindly spare me? By that measure of behavior, they know little and do act rashly. It is offensive to anyone looking in and makes the bunch of you look childish.

As I am apparently constantly being forced to defend myself with every comment regarding the plainly obvious "Group Think" you deny seeing, it is clearly there. And whether or not you are a fair arbiter, I cannot say. All I have said is the object in question is an original Hero Phaser regardless of the majority on here's opinions. I am privy to the proof determined by experts. I have shared some of it, but have been asked to keep the rest to myself, and yet you all still resoundingly say: "NO!"

What is a person to do?

Good reference Robn1.

Wait, what? Making sure I got this right. The Greg Jein Hero phaser has a.....duplicate?
Exactly what I am saying. Kiddie stuff.

I wanted to duplicate some of those exam photos but I had little after it was finished. I did manage this one.
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If you'd like Robn, we can discuss what I see in a one on one. At this level, it is a matter of one's interpretation.
 
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JMSupp

Active Member
Not gatekeeping, and that James I find is a bit much. Establishing that Robn1 does indeed live up to his word and claims is quite clear. And the only one thus far to do so. Nice crisp (meaing with sharp corners and clear delineation and no, not "Crispy", extra or other slangly.)

An other person shows a common 3D printer and hasn't mentioned the source of his surface contours, or any reference to experience with Non-Rationalized Baseline Splines, STL or IGES files. etc.

As for the rest on here as demonstrated by the all too common sophomoric name calling, images and GIFs, kindly spare me? By that measure of behavior, they know little and do act rashly. It is offensive to anyone looking in and makes the bunch of you look childish.

As I am apparently constantly being forced to defend myself with every comment regarding the plainly obvious "Group Think" you deny seeing, it is clearly there. And whether or not you are a fair arbiter, I cannot say. All I have said is the object in question is an original Hero Phaser regardless of the majority on here's opinions. I am privy to the proof determined by experts. I have shared some of it, but have been asked to keep the rest to myself, and yet you all still resoundingly say: "NO!"

What is a person to do?
Honestly, I still have no idea who you are, what you do, or anything else. I've seen a website with some pretty impressive HO Guage stuff, but that's it. None of that relates to the subject at hand, the phaser.

Sure, the gifs, memes, and whatever are sophomoric... And sure, a case can be made they make them look silly. That in no way indicates any lack of knowledge. I knew an extraordinary skilled metal engraver, probably one of the best in the last 50 years. He was a total dick. Knew more about old master engravings, and how to restore them, then anyone I've ever met. Absolute genius, and an absolutely rude, obnoxious human.

As far as groupthink goes, I think that most here are looking for the truth, in true Socratic fashion, by asking questions. I'd be happy to be wrong about this phaser, I think a lot of people would. But with extraordinary items, and extraordinary claims, comes a certain amount of disbelief. The provenance, as yet, is uncertain. The provenance and history of both phasers is unknown, and LOTS of fakes have been sold as authentic based on some rather weak claims.

So rather then being offended that people, like myself are asking questions, try helping to address those questions.

I'm sure if I asked you which F7s the Royal Gorge Route Railroad operated, you'd be happy to share that info. You probably would know the lineage of each one as well.

I share what I know freely as possible, and I am always open to the possibility I may be wrong.
 

Win7ermute

Sr Member
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Wait, they had rattle cans in the olden days?

Jokes aside, that looks great. Sadly, my best TOS phaser is the Wand Co version. Years ago, I was on a list for a fiberglass kit from someone that's posted in this thread but I for reasons of timing, I missed out...not that mine would have come out looking that million dollar example.
Nothing sad about owning a Wand, for the price they are fantastic.
 

USS Endeav

Sr Member
An other person shows a common 3D printer and hasn't mentioned the source of his surface contours, or any reference to experience with Non-Rationalized Baseline Splines, STL or IGES files. etc.
I am not posting 3D files. Get real. These are screen shots, it will have to suffice. I included something from a favourite sci-fi movie of mine.

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USS Endeav

Sr Member
How about this: .016" two sided photo-etched half-hard phoshor-bronze. Are you still laughing?

So what you are saying that you do with regarding shaping anything, without an already provided surface, you generate your own by use of NURBS. Is that correct? View attachment 1466994
What old school shade tree ??? is that supposed to be? Have you done anything relevant? anything not from the bronze age?
It would look like this, on silk screened PCB assembled by a pick 'n place machine and looking like it came from your Playstation rather than a prop. I blacked out a few details, sorry.

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robn1

Master Member

USS Endeav

Sr Member
Now who's posting gratuitous envy pics? I tried to figure out Blender once, but all I could make was a straight line. It was a very nice, very straight line, but was as far as I could get.
I appreciate that but futzing around in Fusion pales by comparison to the work of art you created. Seriously, those shells are a work of art.
I can only imagine the money shots that Phaser would have had back in the 60's and the glee we'd all have pouring over screen shots.

I remember following along with your progress. I had half hoped it wouldn't come out that perfect, jealousy is a tough pill to swallow!! ;)

...and I am not nearly as big a TOS fan as some others. I can only imagine the sleepless nights you've unwittingly caused others!
 

USS Endeav

Sr Member
How about this: .016" two sided photo-etched half-hard phoshor-bronze. Are you still laughing?

So what you are saying that you do with regarding shaping anything, without an already provided surface, you generate your own by use of NURBS. Is that correct? View attachment 1466994
I've been researching what you describe as " two sided photo-etched half-hard phoshor-bronze" and what I've come up with doesn't look like the image you posted nor does the application for this process. The closest I can find that does look like this again, doesn't fit the application unless your making prop microwave ovens or military equipment.

Please enlighten me.
 

joberg

Master Member
I know, I know...I shouldn't get involved, but I'm out of Popcorn:( So; reading this interesting thread (and knowing ZIP about ST phasers), it seems that Highliners made those phasers himself, concocted a story about their provenance and is, now, trying to defend those as "real-as-they-can-be" with tooth and nails. Nah! Just kidding:p I'm playing Devil's Advocate:devil:
 

GrenadeKing

Sr Member
I've been researching what you describe as " two sided photo-etched half-hard phoshor-bronze" and what I've come up with doesn't look like the image you posted nor does the application for this process. The closest I can find that does look like this again, doesn't fit the application unless your making prop microwave ovens or military equipment.

Please enlighten me.

He's just talking about common photo etch. Don't know why he specifies phosphor bronze, it's usually just common brass, unless he needs it for a specific purpose. Don't know why the emphasis on two sided either, it's pretty much the standard for a good etch. Pop over to the scale modelling or studio scale sub-forums, they use it quite often, either from off the shelf kits or on a DIY basis. People use it for amateur circuits as well.

I'm sure I've invited myself a fun response now. :whistle:
 

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USS Endeav

Sr Member
He's just talking about common photo etch. Don't know why he specifies phosphor bronze, it's usually just common brass, unless he needs it for a specific purpose. Don't know why the emphasis on two sided either, it's pretty much the standard for a good etch. Pop over to the scale modelling or studio scale sub-forums, they use it quite often, either from off the shelf kits or on a DIY basis. People use it for amateur circuits as well.

I'm sure I've invited myself a fun response now. :whistle:
I suspected, but wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something. There is a process using etching and bronze sheets like the image he posted but it has an industrial application. Not the best or most advantageous choice for a one-off prop. I've never made a board in this manner before though I have seen them. It was the best and probably only viable method to use prior to 20 years ago for one-off boards. There is now a machine that creates PCB in a similar way to a 3D printer. It's called the Voltera I think. I nearly got one but the early design had some drawbacks.
 

AnubisGuard

Sr Member
What old school shade tree ??? is that supposed to be? Have you done anything relevant? anything not from the bronze age?
It would look like this, on silk screened PCB assembled by a pick 'n place machine and looking like it came from your Playstation rather than a prop. I blacked out a few details, sorry.

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Dude, why are we validating the rude guy by playing defense? It just makes him look important and makes the thread about him.

Not picking on you specifically, yours was just the most recent post.
 

Funky

Master Member
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I know, I know...I shouldn't get involved, but I'm out of Popcorn:( So; reading this interesting thread (and knowing ZIP about ST phasers), it seems that Highliners made those phasers himself, concocted a story about their provenance and is, now, trying to defend those as "real-as-they-can-be" with tooth and nails. Nah! Just kidding:p I'm playing Devil's Advocate:devil:
I know your post is mostly tongue in cheek though I’m sure many see Highliner‘s posts just that way.
I see it a little different. I feel that his posts are genuine…to HIM. The way I see it, the guy definitely runs in the proper circles and is quite knowledgeable. Hey may even have been called upon to validate items. Many might even call him a specialist in his field (though to what degree I do not know nor care). His reputation is on the line here, kids. The reason he’s fighting so hard is because (to him) the piece is genuine. However, if there is a known group of specialists out there saying he is incorrect, then the item is not genuine, we are hurting his reputation. How many times does he scream that he demands to know why we won’t admit that is real? You see, he NEEDS the RPF approval. Without that, his reputation is in question and there will never be be the irrefutable proof that this phaser is 100 percent authentic.
On a very personal note, I really want this piece to be genuine. But this guy coming on here with a very aggressive attitude makes me simply not care anymore.
 

Jintosh

Master Member
RPF PREMIUM MEMBER
Here's the problem with Highliner. It is, as you say. But everyone else is simply presenting EVIDENCE that allows the reader to draw their own conclusion. Highliner is NOT. He DEMANDS that we let him make up OUR minds. That is not possible, nor reasonable. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. He has no RIGHT to make up my mind for me.
 

Highliners

Well-Known Member
I know, I know...I shouldn't get involved, but I'm out of Popcorn:( So; reading this interesting thread (and knowing ZIP about ST phasers), it seems that Highliners made those phasers himself, concocted a story about their provenance and is, now, trying to defend those as "real-as-they-can-be" with tooth and nails. Nah! Just kidding:p I'm playing Devil's Advocate:devil:
Wow, you think I'm that good do you? (lol)

He's just talking about common photo etch. Don't know why he specifies phosphor bronze, it's usually just common brass, unless he needs it for a specific purpose. Don't know why the emphasis on two sided either, it's pretty much the standard for a good etch. Pop over to the scale modelling or studio scale sub-forums, they use it quite often, either from off the shelf kits or on a DIY basis. People use it for amateur circuits as well.

I'm sure I've invited myself a fun response now. :whistle:
Because of its elongation characteristics compared with brass or 302 half hard stainless steel. two step is not "pretty much standard" as it is up tp customer specifications and supplied art work as to whether one, two, three, or even four stepped etchings. But (he says with tongue firmly planted in cheek) you already knew that.

He's just talking about common photo etch. Don't know why he specifies phosphor bronze, it's usually just common brass, unless he needs it for a specific purpose. Don't know why the emphasis on two sided either, it's pretty much the standard for a good etch. Pop over to the scale modelling or studio scale sub-forums, they use it quite often, either from off the shelf kits or on a DIY basis. People use it for amateur circuits as well.

I'm sure I've invited myself a fun response now. :whistle:
Dude, why are we validating the rude guy by playing defense? It just makes him look important and makes the thread about him.

Not picking on you specifically, yours was just the most recent post.
Yeah right! Why make it about the guy questioning the professed skills of the few on here to correctly give an opinion about something about to sell at auction for possibly 7 figures and where we can seriously impact and curb it's sale's potential? " Yeah! Let's all just gang up on him"... or are you all that much in denial abnout what you are doing?
 

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