ALIEN Warrior head refurbishing project.....

[Too Much Garlic]

I think part of the problem is that recast, recasting, and recaster has been used in nothing but a negative light so that any time someone talks about a recast, it is seen as a bad thing. In the scenario you listed above, would you be considered a recaster? Of course you would. You directly copied something. That is recasting. The thing is, that form of recasting isn't frowned upon by this community... but just because it isn't frowned upon doesn't change what it is.

I was of the understanding that copying and recasting was two separate terms describing what is essentially the same action, with recasting having the added devious nature of the copying, such as undercutting the original provider and selling poor casts, in essence both ripping off the original provider as well as the buyer!?

 

[dexter1138]

Again Art cuts to the heart of the complaint.

What about the guy recasting a PiP Boy you could buy and still can get from Best Buy, that was an officially licensed product that I saw on the shelves as late as December.

If my view puts me on some black list, so be it with Oni's attitude I would never deal with him anyway. After someone sent me an email stating that Oni and Wolfmorgan were once selling here, that speaks volumes.

I think the attitude that stealing from a studio or licensee is okay is just plain wrong.

Dex

 

[GINO]

How to determine whether or not you are recasting (in the negative sense of the word) is very simple.

It doesn't matter how much work the recaster puts into the piece.
It doesn't matter if the quality of their recasts are fantastic or total junk.

It all comes down to permissions.

1. Did the person you got the item from grant you permission to mold it?
2. Did the person you got the item from get permission from the person he acquired if from to sell it to you in the first place?

That person offering copies either has to have permission from the person they acquired it from, or it has to come directly/indirectly from a studio source.

If you cannot access the person you acquired it from to ask permission, then the default answer is NO, you cannot copy the item.
If the person you get the item from does not know where it came from, then again the default answer is NO, you cannot copy the item.

If a person recasts someone's offering without permission, they are not in a position to grant hobby rights/permission to someone else for that recast item.
That would be the same concept as money laundering.


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[Onigiri]

DBL post

 

[Onigiri]

wow, you really are a newb and you just proved it. Wolf is a scam artist. I thought he was a friend and let him live in my home while I was deployed to Iraq. He destroyed my home in my absence. Hacked my computer and left me thousands in the hole. Everybody here knows that, Newb...and you just put your foot in it. While your at it tell your little coward buddy if he has something to say to man up and say it publicly. You just showed your complete ignorance and in doing so brought up one of the reasons I am so passionate about getting the scum off this board. Bravo at showing what a tool you are. You just made several people's list and you got played by some coward behind the scenes with an agenda. It didnt make them look bad it just made you look bad. Youre lucky theres no profanity allowed here or Id explain some things to you in clear detail.
Again, with that one post you just showed your character to a LOT of folks and showed why Newbs should spend more time learning about the history of this place before they open their mouths. I got taken to the bank by that POS and it literally took my mom physically getting in between us to stop me from beating the living crap out of him. He destroyed my home. He stole my money. He used my resources to steal from others. If it hadnt been for members here who saw what was happening while I was in Iraq he would have destroyed my reputation as well.
Dexter, youre an ignorant tool and tell your little behind scenes DBag buddy to man up if he has something to say. I hope the other long standing members took notice of this and why I have an issue with peole like this who come here thinking they know the score. You just proved my point on many levels.
You get the ID 10T Award.
To Dexters buddy...youre a POS coward who doesnt have the cajones to speak up but has no problem using a newb to snipe. Youre worse then he is.

Again Art cuts to the heart of the complaint.

What about the guy recasting a PiP Boy you could buy and still can get from Best Buy, that was an officially licensed product that I saw on the shelves as late as December.

If my view puts me on some black list, so be it with Oni's attitude I would never deal with him anyway. After someone sent me an email stating that Oni and Wolfmorgan were once selling here, that speaks volumes.

I think the attitude that stealing from a studio or licensee is okay is just plain wrong.

Dex

 

[vaderdarth]

And if the two parties exchange props and both offer recasts to others without formal consent because it was already understood when they made the trade.............that is not a violation of their original trade.

If on the other hand, two people strike an agreement and one agrees to certain terms as part of the deal but the other dude ends up being a chump and breaks the agreement after the fact............and claims the original deal was misunderstood..........and gets away with it because he was cunning enough to keep the deal off the radar by only dealing over the phone so that his emails and PMs can't be used against him. Well he might not get in trouble but he's still a royal chump!!!!

I despise crooks like that!

I'm glad to see verification that this Alien head project is nothing like that sort of underhanded crap!

Dave

 

[Amish Trooper]

If on the other hand, two people strike an agreement and one agrees to certain terms as part of the deal but the other dude ends up being a chump and breaks the agreement after the fact............and claims the original deal was misunderstood..........and gets away with it because he was cunning enough to keep the deal off the radar by only dealing over the phone so that his emails and PMs can't be used against him. Well he might not get in trouble but he's still a royal chump!!!

Dave

Bwahahahahaha agreed rolleyes

 

[dexter1138]

Wow! Hit a nerve, doth protest too much. Funny how these guys always say they were hacked or whatever the excuse, the guy was living in your home. You managed to stay by throwing your buddy under the bus, hard to believe he could be doing what he did without your knowledge.

I could care less I welcome the black list, most likely people I wouldn't want to deal with in the first place. I don't buy a lot of prop replicas, but the ones that I do come from reputable sources.

Dex

 

[AnsonJames]

Say.....Ive never cast a peice this large in fiberglass, what do you guys suggest?

I was thinking painting a smooth resin onto the interior of the cast, then backing it with fiberglass.

OR

Simply painting the fiberglass resin onto the inside of the mould and laying the soaked sheets of glass behind it. Will it pick up all the detail without the resin "skin"?

I was going to try a few things but really would love some input from you guys

Since there isn't an issue with Swamp Donkey and his restoration/future run I think it would be a good idea to let him continue with his thread without all the irrelevant arguments.

I remember laminating a cast in the original mold using Gelcoat, resin and matting - I ended up with a piece that had tons of voids and surface damage.
If I were you I'd slush in a couple of layers of fast cast and then back it with glass.


Anson

 

[SwampDonkey]

First off, I want to show that while I have a VERY low post count, as a member of this community I should be heard as well. While I've only been an official member for a few days, I've been following this community for at least 2 years, with registration problems and missing the registration periods, by a few hours in one case. So, I don't think you can really use post counts as a sole reason to discredit someones opinion. I do, however, lend credit to those with high post counts as it shows a high level of commitment to the hobby.

I care about this hobby too. I know I would hate it if I created an original sculpt and someone just slung some rubber around it and started selling it, here or elsewhere. I would REALLY hate it if I had spent some serious cash on an original screen used piece and then someone just started recasting my casts, but I think that is a risk you assume by purchasing someone else's original work (screenused or not) and recasting it without their permission. This has kept me from buying screenused before, because I knew it would happen and I knew it would make me sick.

How do you think they guys that created the original screen used piece feel about Ian's recasting of it? Are we just supposed to ignore their rights but uphold Ian's? I get it, there wouldn't be any screenused replica's out there if we all had to get the permission of the original creator, but saying it's ok for Ian to purchase someone else's work and recast it, but it's not OK for SD to do it is the definition of hypocrisy.

Ian has had three weeks to object to this, and so far he hasn't directly done so. Is he even offering them anymore? If not, I don't see how there is anything wrong with SD repairing them and offering them for sale. If he was simply recasting with no serious effort added, that would be unacceptable whether or not Ian is still offering them, at least to me.

On a side note, I think there is some awesome information that has been shared in this thread and would hate to see it shut down. If RPF staff end up determining SD can't sell these and then he does, by all means they have the right to ban him, but I would hate to see the knowledge shared here to disappear.


EDIT: I just read ONIGIRL's post that was posted while i was typing that loooong post. ONIGIRL, I think your argument is valid if Ian is still offering these, and as far as I can tell he isn't. If he's not, he obviously doesn't care about recouping any investment. While it is a slippery slope, at some point I think he loses his recasting rights by no longer offering them. If the repaired casting by SD is the best people can get, then I see no problem with him selling these.

Hey Drew,
With regards to the question about whether or not Ian is still selling these, no, he's not. Ive had mine for 7 years actually and I think it was one of the last he produced. Though someone else DIRECTLY recast his work and sold unpainted "kits" a while back I do believe. There's a guy named "Fettster" on here that painted up a head that was a kit and I recognize the head as coming from ian, or a recast of Ians heads.
But Ian's molds are long gone and have been for years. Mine will be the only ones produced anywhere actually.

 

[SwampDonkey]

People who want this alien head may think I'm preventing them from getting one by posting my concern about this. That I'm standing in their way of enjoying their hobby.

Ok.....

 

[SwampDonkey]

Since there isn't an issue with Swamp Donkey and his restoration/future run I think it would be a good idea to let him continue with his thread without all the irrelevant arguments.

I remember laminating a cast in the original mold using Gelcoat, resin and matting - I ended up with a piece that had tons of voids and surface damage.
If I were you I'd slush in a couple of layers of fast cast and then back it with glass.


Anson

How were the original molds constructed? I found seam lines along the underside of the head and it looks like almost the entire thing was cast in a single glove mold. Yes there were lots of areas where the fiberglass and gel did not contact the surface of the mold on mine. Lots of cavities to fill/ resurface.
What im going to do is use a detail air gun (like a giant airbrush) to spray a low-viscosity marine epoxy gelcoat onto the interior of the mold, then back it with fiberglass. The teeth will be a hard resin. The mold for the teeth will be able to bolt on to the rest of it so I can slush cast the front of the cranium for a seamless attachment of the upper jaw.

Oh and how do I multi quote on the same post??? Ive tried everything and nothing works.

 

[Larry Young]

The people who know what I do for a living (including Art) are probably laughing at the prospect of you ever talking trash in person.

I don't exactly know what you do for a living but I can attest after having shaken your hand at San Diego last year that you are an excellent cat with a confident presence and that someone talking **** to your face is either foolish or otherwise not in control of his faculties.

 

[ONEYE]

Oh and how do I multi quote on the same post??? Ive tried everything and nothing works.

Use the icon that is to the right of the normal quote icon. Then hit reply.

 

[SwampDonkey]

Alrighty, now that all the commotion is out of the way lol...Progress!

The teeth will have their own section of the mold, so I guess this would be a 3 peice. All silicone, all with fiberglass jacket. Later on we will install the areas where the bolts will go through the figerglass jacket to hold the sections tightly together for casting/ curing.

 

[vaderdarth]

Very nice work.

 

[suckface]

Hey Drew,
With regards to the question about whether or not Ian is still selling these, no, he's not. Ive had mine for 7 years actually and I think it was one of the last he produced. Though someone else DIRECTLY recast his work and sold unpainted "kits" a while back I do believe. There's a guy named "Fettster" on here that painted up a head that was a kit and I recognize the head as coming from ian, or a recast of Ians heads.
But Ian's molds are long gone and have been for years. Mine will be the only ones produced anywhere actually.

This thread is a very interesting read.

 

[fettster]

Hey Drew,
With regards to the question about whether or not Ian is still selling these, no, he's not. Ive had mine for 7 years actually and I think it was one of the last he produced. Though someone else DIRECTLY recast his work and sold unpainted "kits" a while back I do believe. There's a guy named "Fettster" on here that painted up a head that was a kit and I recognize the head as coming from ian, or a recast of Ians heads.
But Ian's molds are long gone and have been for years. Mine will be the only ones produced anywhere actually.

Just for the record, Ian sold kits too. I head I painted 7-8 years ago came directly from him.
If you are insinuating that I recast his then you are very much mistaken and very out order.
I share ori's and TMG's view on recasters so would never give those bottom feeders my money. If it was not available anymore and I really wanted one, I would make one myself from scratch.

 

[SwampDonkey]

Just for the record, Ian sold kits too. I head I painted 7-8 years ago came directly from him.
If you are insinuating that I recast his then you are very much mistaken and very out order.

Nope, I meant exactly what I said, which was "I recognize the head as coming from ian, or a recast of Ians heads". Nothing was insinuated.

 

[BoozeBeGood]

Nice head! But this thread is taking me forever to read