ALIEN Warrior head refurbishing project.....
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SwampDonkey
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Thank you, its lots of fun once you get on good terms with the stuff.
You should for sure grab some and do some experimenting. My first whack at the polymer clays was this 1/3 scale velociraptor. Here's some WIP shots:
I just worked and worked until it started doing what I wanted it to.
dexter1138
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I agree with Art, let this guy make his replica. Recasting should apply to original sculptures.
In my opinion if someone cast SD's Alien Head that would be recasting, from the amount of work he's done to that POS, it's almost a new sculpt.
The hypocrisy exhibited in this thread is astounding, I thought anything cast from a studio original was acceptable, no matter the source unless there was a guy HERE making them available.
If two guys get their original casts from the same source, both can offer casts, you just don't mold the other guys while he's making them.
There is no honor among thieves, you pirates.
Dex
In my opinion if someone cast SD's Alien Head that would be recasting, from the amount of work he's done to that POS, it's almost a new sculpt.
The hypocrisy exhibited in this thread is astounding, I thought anything cast from a studio original was acceptable, no matter the source unless there was a guy HERE making them available.
If two guys get their original casts from the same source, both can offer casts, you just don't mold the other guys while he's making them.
There is no honor among thieves, you pirates.
Dex
SwampDonkey
Well-Known Member
I agree with Art, let this guy make his replica. Recasting should apply to original sculptures.
In my opinion if someone cast SD's Alien Head that would be recasting, from the amount of work he's done to that POS, it's almost a new sculpt.
The hypocrisy exhibited in this thread is astounding, I thought anything cast from a studio original was acceptable, no matter the source unless there was a guy HERE making them available.
If two guys get their original casts from the same source, both can offer casts, you just don't mold the other guys while he's making them.
There is no honor among thieves, you pirates.
Dex
lol thank you, those were my thoughts as well. And quite honestly, sculpting an original from scratch would have been much easier and faster. I was really confined to fixing issues and matching my work with reference on this one and its a huge pain. Alot of time was spent resculpting tiny (and large) corrugated tubing because I opted out of replacing it in an effort to preserve as much of the original (SWS, not Ian's) work as possible and didnt want to risk mounting tubing at inaccurate angles/ depths.
Should I continue with the thread? I have some great molding techniques Id love to share with the members. The project is far fom over and will culminate in a high quality display with tounge, lips, and killer paintjob and id love to share with you guys...but not if it means stirring a hornets nest or getting banned
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Please do! :thumbsup
ONEYE
Sr Member
Onigiri
Sr Member
Dexter, you thought wrong and clearly dont have an understanding of the issue or what has been acceptable in this community for a very long time. Might I suggest you research the past threads and bannings. We very SPECIFICALLY protect the people who bring us screen used or production used pieces to market because in a lot of cases they have invested a great deal of money or used contacts to bring these to market. If we allowed these folks to be recast they would no longer share these things with this community. A lot of folks used to offer things here and now dont because they got tired of getting recast. Youd be dumbfounded if you knew how many rare pieces are out there that will now never see the light of day here because of recasters. We're not talking about two people getting casts from teh same source and recasting the, We're talking about 1 person getting a piece from the original molds and a second person recasting that piece. If TWO people both got ORIGINAL casts from those production molds then they BOTH own an original piece and could both take molds and offer them up. We see that here from time to time.
Lets say You and I both get screen used Darth Vader helmets. We BOTH own original pieces therefor we BOTH have our rights. However if I have a screen used Vader and sell you a COPY of it and you decide to mold that and sell copies youve violated the rules of this forum unless you have my permission. If I had spent 50,000 on that helmet as an investment that I hoped to recoup some of that cost AND offer them to the community and you decide to invest only a couple of hundred bucks to buy some rubber and undercut me why would I ever offer up another from screen used piece just so parasites could undercut me...and that what recasters are...parasites.
What I find amusing is the low post counts of the majority of the supporters of this project and nowhere did Art say it was OK to go ahead and post this.
As to SD's sculpting skills...agreed he has skills...so much so that I dont see why he didnt just use this as a guide to sculpting his own piece from scratch.
As to the Mystery sculpt I can tell you that the people who THOUGHT they knew what they knew as to that helmet were incorrect. I was actually involved in the MH helmet hooplah behind the scenes because I was contacted by person A to contact person B as to the origins and it wasnt recast from the source it was believed to be. There were some ruffled feathers on that one until I stepped in. As far as hypocrisy? There are people I once considered friends but when I found they were recasting that was it. The fact is this new batch of folks who seem to be popping up dont care about anything other then getting their hands on what they want. They dont care about the future of the hobby only instant gratification. Several garage kit companies have closed their doors in the last decade due to recasting. Ebay is filled with recast kits from as far away as Thailand. Consequently the abundance of quality pieces from original sources has now dwindled as both original artists and owners of rare pieces are no longer willing to watch others profit off of their work and/or their investment. I can tell you from personal experience that there are many uber cool pieces that will never see the light of day now. We exist here in an IP grey zone and nobody here is naive enough to think that our hobby doesnt flourish at the expense of the IP holders but we realized a long time ago that if we start screwing each other over that the hobby will wither and then everybody will whine about nothing new coming to market. You can be shortsighted and in to instant gratification or you can try to protect the future of the hobby and see the big picture. This community has long striven to protect this hobby whereas more and more we're seeing these folks with low post counts coming in and using words liek hypocrites. The only thing worse then a newb saying that is someone who has been a member for years with a low post count saying it. IMHO It shows that person is not a participating member of the community but rather someone who only surfaces when they see something they want. I didnt get in to this to be a jerk...I got in this because Ive been a part of this community from the beginning and this hobby means something to me. If those of us with some history here dont speak up and educate the newbs that clearly dont understand the ramifications of recasting or its effect on thsi hobby then its mob rule and the hobby suffers. Ill take the heat for standing up for the standards that those of us with some actual time here spent years trying to cultivate and protect. Ill also point out that there are several names in this thread that with their posts have insured their places on the blacklists of several sellers here
Art,
Thanks for the post...I found it thoughtful and I understand your points but I see a shift in values evidenced in the posts on this thread that are a cancer that could quickly spread if not dealt with. Im not talking about SD in particular but rather the feeling of folks just waiting for this not to be admonished and thereby setting that negative precedent. Several of these folks just dont care and its that mentality we have striven for years to keep out of here because it will adversely affect this community and the hobby.
Lets say You and I both get screen used Darth Vader helmets. We BOTH own original pieces therefor we BOTH have our rights. However if I have a screen used Vader and sell you a COPY of it and you decide to mold that and sell copies youve violated the rules of this forum unless you have my permission. If I had spent 50,000 on that helmet as an investment that I hoped to recoup some of that cost AND offer them to the community and you decide to invest only a couple of hundred bucks to buy some rubber and undercut me why would I ever offer up another from screen used piece just so parasites could undercut me...and that what recasters are...parasites.
What I find amusing is the low post counts of the majority of the supporters of this project and nowhere did Art say it was OK to go ahead and post this.
As to SD's sculpting skills...agreed he has skills...so much so that I dont see why he didnt just use this as a guide to sculpting his own piece from scratch.
As to the Mystery sculpt I can tell you that the people who THOUGHT they knew what they knew as to that helmet were incorrect. I was actually involved in the MH helmet hooplah behind the scenes because I was contacted by person A to contact person B as to the origins and it wasnt recast from the source it was believed to be. There were some ruffled feathers on that one until I stepped in. As far as hypocrisy? There are people I once considered friends but when I found they were recasting that was it. The fact is this new batch of folks who seem to be popping up dont care about anything other then getting their hands on what they want. They dont care about the future of the hobby only instant gratification. Several garage kit companies have closed their doors in the last decade due to recasting. Ebay is filled with recast kits from as far away as Thailand. Consequently the abundance of quality pieces from original sources has now dwindled as both original artists and owners of rare pieces are no longer willing to watch others profit off of their work and/or their investment. I can tell you from personal experience that there are many uber cool pieces that will never see the light of day now. We exist here in an IP grey zone and nobody here is naive enough to think that our hobby doesnt flourish at the expense of the IP holders but we realized a long time ago that if we start screwing each other over that the hobby will wither and then everybody will whine about nothing new coming to market. You can be shortsighted and in to instant gratification or you can try to protect the future of the hobby and see the big picture. This community has long striven to protect this hobby whereas more and more we're seeing these folks with low post counts coming in and using words liek hypocrites. The only thing worse then a newb saying that is someone who has been a member for years with a low post count saying it. IMHO It shows that person is not a participating member of the community but rather someone who only surfaces when they see something they want. I didnt get in to this to be a jerk...I got in this because Ive been a part of this community from the beginning and this hobby means something to me. If those of us with some history here dont speak up and educate the newbs that clearly dont understand the ramifications of recasting or its effect on thsi hobby then its mob rule and the hobby suffers. Ill take the heat for standing up for the standards that those of us with some actual time here spent years trying to cultivate and protect. Ill also point out that there are several names in this thread that with their posts have insured their places on the blacklists of several sellers here
Art,
Thanks for the post...I found it thoughtful and I understand your points but I see a shift in values evidenced in the posts on this thread that are a cancer that could quickly spread if not dealt with. Im not talking about SD in particular but rather the feeling of folks just waiting for this not to be admonished and thereby setting that negative precedent. Several of these folks just dont care and its that mentality we have striven for years to keep out of here because it will adversely affect this community and the hobby.
I agree with Art, let this guy make his replica. Recasting should apply to original sculptures.
In my opinion if someone cast SD's Alien Head that would be recasting, from the amount of work he's done to that POS, it's almost a new sculpt.
The hypocrisy exhibited in this thread is astounding, I thought anything cast from a studio original was acceptable, no matter the source unless there was a guy HERE making them available.
If two guys get their original casts from the same source, both can offer casts, you just don't mold the other guys while he's making them.
There is no honor among thieves, you pirates.
Dex
ONEYE
Sr Member
Onigiri
Sr Member
Apparently youre a troll with nothing of value to add here. The fact is I was quoted and responded to and folks like you like to bait. So Voila! Now why dont run along and let the big kids talk. You've clearly shown by your posts that you have no grasp up to and including saying SD made this his own which shows your ignorance. No, it would have been his own had he used his skills to sculpt from scratch. It would have been his own had he owned the original. If I take my dented car in to the body shop for some filler and some paint its still a Mazda...the bodyshop guy doesnt get to say,"I did so much work on this its not a Mazda anymore its a Joe." Simple concept really. As someone who has worked as a propmaker here in LA its always amusing when the peanut gallery pops up and shows how clueless they are and then waits for the table scraps.
Scareb
Sr Member
Here's how I'm seeing things. Ian casted the original and put casts up for sale and swampy bought one. Upon receiving it, swampy notices several defects and errors with the cast. He proceeds to fix them. Now if he altered it only slightly so that putting the original next to the cast you can't tell the difference, that would scream recaster if he sold copies, but he put significant work into his cast so that it no longer is close to identical to the original. Now when I want to buy replica's and props, I don't want to buy some haggard piece, I want to buy something top notch. I
Swampy just put alot of time and effort into a piece to fix all of the defects and make the replica as good as it can be. Now I have no experience whatsoever in repairing props. Now say I want to buy an alien head and I am in no way going to buy a "fixer-upper" because i'd end up wrecking the thing and swampy comes along and says "hey, check mine out", it's pretty obvious what i'll go for.
Swampy just put alot of time and effort into a piece to fix all of the defects and make the replica as good as it can be. Now I have no experience whatsoever in repairing props. Now say I want to buy an alien head and I am in no way going to buy a "fixer-upper" because i'd end up wrecking the thing and swampy comes along and says "hey, check mine out", it's pretty obvious what i'll go for.
Onigiri
Sr Member
Art,
as to your examples in your post. I was involved in the Fett mess as I stated above and it was precisely for that original ambiguity that I never purchased a Fett Helmet. By the time that mess got cleared up I was out of the market. Not familiar with the Indiana Jones pieces because thats not my thing and I dont check Indy related threads but NOW...Im gonna have to take a look. Re: Matt. Fact is Matt had the originals, like him or not, and thats that.
The Gino thing is another issue and I was THERE for a lot of that. I was there for phone conversations and the constant back and forth with Matt, Gino and Gielda. Burned me out so bad that...I dont have any of those pieces either. When both sides tell so many conflicting stories over a long period of time and act 'questionably' it got to the point where I just threw up my hands. Knowing Matt personally I couldve had all sorts of goodies in my collection. I have none. There were no winners in that fiasco except the stormtroopers who snatched up recast after recast while everyone was preoccupied with who did what to who.
As to SD's assertion that he tried to contact Ian it sounds, correct me if Im wrong, that his attempt was to try and go through old emails looking for an email addy. Did he find one and actually send an email to Ian? Or was his attempt merely looking unsuccessfuly for the addy?
Now, hold on to your horses here...I would say to those that posted here saying Ian is upset to tell Ian if he DOES have an issue with this to contact the mods or post here. If Ian doesnt care enough about this to step forward and respond THEN I would say that SD cant really be held accountable in as much the alleged aggrieved party is aware but doesnt want to show up to court. In that case I would side with Swamp Donkey.
If Ian is truly upset about this and knows about this thread it would make sense that he would want to put his 2 cents in. If he knows about it and doesnt care to state an opinion that indicates a lack of any real care or concern (at least to me).People here have claimed to be in contact with Ian about this so it common sense would dictate some sort of response if there was an issue. Art and I are in agreement with that.
Again, this would be a point in favor of Swamp Donkey.
As to people above saying this isnt my forum...BS. It absolutely is. And its yours too and if you dont think so then go find a community where people are apathetic. Im an original member and this is a community and people who care about a community take whats called ownership. Ownership is caring about where the place is headed. Its about not having the mindset several of you have here that this is just a place for you to show up, post occasionally, and add toys to your collection. My problem with this thread is as much about the attitudes of people not caring where they are getting their pieces of plastic as to those providing them. What Ive seen here is a lot of folks with no understanding whatsoever of the damage re-casting does to this hobby and worse, not caring. Thats the truly frustrating part.
as to your examples in your post. I was involved in the Fett mess as I stated above and it was precisely for that original ambiguity that I never purchased a Fett Helmet. By the time that mess got cleared up I was out of the market. Not familiar with the Indiana Jones pieces because thats not my thing and I dont check Indy related threads but NOW...Im gonna have to take a look. Re: Matt. Fact is Matt had the originals, like him or not, and thats that.
The Gino thing is another issue and I was THERE for a lot of that. I was there for phone conversations and the constant back and forth with Matt, Gino and Gielda. Burned me out so bad that...I dont have any of those pieces either. When both sides tell so many conflicting stories over a long period of time and act 'questionably' it got to the point where I just threw up my hands. Knowing Matt personally I couldve had all sorts of goodies in my collection. I have none. There were no winners in that fiasco except the stormtroopers who snatched up recast after recast while everyone was preoccupied with who did what to who.
As to SD's assertion that he tried to contact Ian it sounds, correct me if Im wrong, that his attempt was to try and go through old emails looking for an email addy. Did he find one and actually send an email to Ian? Or was his attempt merely looking unsuccessfuly for the addy?
Now, hold on to your horses here...I would say to those that posted here saying Ian is upset to tell Ian if he DOES have an issue with this to contact the mods or post here. If Ian doesnt care enough about this to step forward and respond THEN I would say that SD cant really be held accountable in as much the alleged aggrieved party is aware but doesnt want to show up to court. In that case I would side with Swamp Donkey.
If Ian is truly upset about this and knows about this thread it would make sense that he would want to put his 2 cents in. If he knows about it and doesnt care to state an opinion that indicates a lack of any real care or concern (at least to me).People here have claimed to be in contact with Ian about this so it common sense would dictate some sort of response if there was an issue. Art and I are in agreement with that.
Again, this would be a point in favor of Swamp Donkey.
As to people above saying this isnt my forum...BS. It absolutely is. And its yours too and if you dont think so then go find a community where people are apathetic. Im an original member and this is a community and people who care about a community take whats called ownership. Ownership is caring about where the place is headed. Its about not having the mindset several of you have here that this is just a place for you to show up, post occasionally, and add toys to your collection. My problem with this thread is as much about the attitudes of people not caring where they are getting their pieces of plastic as to those providing them. What Ive seen here is a lot of folks with no understanding whatsoever of the damage re-casting does to this hobby and worse, not caring. Thats the truly frustrating part.
Onigiri
Sr Member
Scareb-
As Art pointed out putting work in to fixing something up and then recasting it is still re-casting. I agree that it would be nice to have a pristine piece but that alone is not justification. As I stated before SD does good work but thats not the heart of the issue. The issue is that SD would not have had a piece to correct had it not been available from SD. There have been a lot of items offered here that were fixed up and then sold using that excuse and in and of itself its not an excuse because it STILL keeps people with the rare items from offering them up. Example: You put out a lot of money to buy a screen used piece thats not in the best of shape. You hope to recoup some of your investment by offering up copies but youre not a sculptor just a collector with some casting abilities. You sell me a copy. Is it ok for me to then spruce it up and mold it and sell copies when folks (like you) say, "I like Don's piece better then Scareb's...Hell, Im not sending any money to Scareb!" Im now making money off of something I wouldnt have even HAD had it not been for you. I dont have the money invested in it that you do either. Now youre stuck with the cost of your original AND the molding supplies (lets say 1,000s of dollars) while all Ive done is bought a copy off of you for far less money and spent maybe a couple of hundred in molding and casting supplies. How eager are you going to be to offer anything up again knowing that someone like me will undercut you in a heartbeat and use the excuse,"I cleaned it up and I wouldnt even be doing it if people here didnt want it."
Thats what we're talking about and thats the crux of the argument.
That being said...folks have said Ian is aware of this thread and if thats true then I would think if he was truly upset he would take advantage of the opportunity to say his piece. If not so be it. Im not here to defend Ian Im here to defend the standards we established over more then a decade here.
As Art pointed out putting work in to fixing something up and then recasting it is still re-casting. I agree that it would be nice to have a pristine piece but that alone is not justification. As I stated before SD does good work but thats not the heart of the issue. The issue is that SD would not have had a piece to correct had it not been available from SD. There have been a lot of items offered here that were fixed up and then sold using that excuse and in and of itself its not an excuse because it STILL keeps people with the rare items from offering them up. Example: You put out a lot of money to buy a screen used piece thats not in the best of shape. You hope to recoup some of your investment by offering up copies but youre not a sculptor just a collector with some casting abilities. You sell me a copy. Is it ok for me to then spruce it up and mold it and sell copies when folks (like you) say, "I like Don's piece better then Scareb's...Hell, Im not sending any money to Scareb!" Im now making money off of something I wouldnt have even HAD had it not been for you. I dont have the money invested in it that you do either. Now youre stuck with the cost of your original AND the molding supplies (lets say 1,000s of dollars) while all Ive done is bought a copy off of you for far less money and spent maybe a couple of hundred in molding and casting supplies. How eager are you going to be to offer anything up again knowing that someone like me will undercut you in a heartbeat and use the excuse,"I cleaned it up and I wouldnt even be doing it if people here didnt want it."
Thats what we're talking about and thats the crux of the argument.
That being said...folks have said Ian is aware of this thread and if thats true then I would think if he was truly upset he would take advantage of the opportunity to say his piece. If not so be it. Im not here to defend Ian Im here to defend the standards we established over more then a decade here.
ONEYE
Sr Member
Onigiri,
When loosing an argument, and unable to rally people to their cause, name calling and insults seem to be the weapon of last resort.
You've made your point over and over again. However, you fail to comprehend the fact that the moderator has spoken and you have not successfully changed a thing. Repeating yourself is accomplishing nothing and by my tongue in cheek picture post, is boring, is boring, is boring.
SwampDonkey is continuing with his project. People are interested in it, some are going to buy it. What is really bothering you is that you are unable to stop it and no matter how many times you lament about it isn't going to change that.
dexter1138 said it best, and maybe you should go back to his post and read it, maybe a few times, and slowly.
When loosing an argument, and unable to rally people to their cause, name calling and insults seem to be the weapon of last resort.
You've made your point over and over again. However, you fail to comprehend the fact that the moderator has spoken and you have not successfully changed a thing. Repeating yourself is accomplishing nothing and by my tongue in cheek picture post, is boring, is boring, is boring.
SwampDonkey is continuing with his project. People are interested in it, some are going to buy it. What is really bothering you is that you are unable to stop it and no matter how many times you lament about it isn't going to change that.
dexter1138 said it best, and maybe you should go back to his post and read it, maybe a few times, and slowly.
First off, I want to show that while I have a VERY low post count, as a member of this community I should be heard as well. While I've only been an official member for a few days, I've been following this community for at least 2 years, with registration problems and missing the registration periods, by a few hours in one case. So, I don't think you can really use post counts as a sole reason to discredit someones opinion. I do, however, lend credit to those with high post counts as it shows a high level of commitment to the hobby.
I care about this hobby too. I know I would hate it if I created an original sculpt and someone just slung some rubber around it and started selling it, here or elsewhere. I would REALLY hate it if I had spent some serious cash on an original screen used piece and then someone just started recasting my casts, but I think that is a risk you assume by purchasing someone else's original work (screenused or not) and recasting it without their permission. This has kept me from buying screenused before, because I knew it would happen and I knew it would make me sick.
How do you think they guys that created the original screen used piece feel about Ian's recasting of it? Are we just supposed to ignore their rights but uphold Ian's? I get it, there wouldn't be any screenused replica's out there if we all had to get the permission of the original creator, but saying it's ok for Ian to purchase someone else's work and recast it, but it's not OK for SD to do it is the definition of hypocrisy.
Ian has had three weeks to object to this, and so far he hasn't directly done so. Is he even offering them anymore? If not, I don't see how there is anything wrong with SD repairing them and offering them for sale. If he was simply recasting with no serious effort added, that would be unacceptable whether or not Ian is still offering them, at least to me.
On a side note, I think there is some awesome information that has been shared in this thread and would hate to see it shut down. If RPF staff end up determining SD can't sell these and then he does, by all means they have the right to ban him, but I would hate to see the knowledge shared here to disappear.
EDIT: I just read ONIGIRL's post that was posted while i was typing that loooong post. ONIGIRL, I think your argument is valid if Ian is still offering these, and as far as I can tell he isn't. If he's not, he obviously doesn't care about recouping any investment. While it is a slippery slope, at some point I think he loses his recasting rights by no longer offering them. If the repaired casting by SD is the best people can get, then I see no problem with him selling these.
I care about this hobby too. I know I would hate it if I created an original sculpt and someone just slung some rubber around it and started selling it, here or elsewhere. I would REALLY hate it if I had spent some serious cash on an original screen used piece and then someone just started recasting my casts, but I think that is a risk you assume by purchasing someone else's original work (screenused or not) and recasting it without their permission. This has kept me from buying screenused before, because I knew it would happen and I knew it would make me sick.
How do you think they guys that created the original screen used piece feel about Ian's recasting of it? Are we just supposed to ignore their rights but uphold Ian's? I get it, there wouldn't be any screenused replica's out there if we all had to get the permission of the original creator, but saying it's ok for Ian to purchase someone else's work and recast it, but it's not OK for SD to do it is the definition of hypocrisy.
Ian has had three weeks to object to this, and so far he hasn't directly done so. Is he even offering them anymore? If not, I don't see how there is anything wrong with SD repairing them and offering them for sale. If he was simply recasting with no serious effort added, that would be unacceptable whether or not Ian is still offering them, at least to me.
On a side note, I think there is some awesome information that has been shared in this thread and would hate to see it shut down. If RPF staff end up determining SD can't sell these and then he does, by all means they have the right to ban him, but I would hate to see the knowledge shared here to disappear.
EDIT: I just read ONIGIRL's post that was posted while i was typing that loooong post. ONIGIRL, I think your argument is valid if Ian is still offering these, and as far as I can tell he isn't. If he's not, he obviously doesn't care about recouping any investment. While it is a slippery slope, at some point I think he loses his recasting rights by no longer offering them. If the repaired casting by SD is the best people can get, then I see no problem with him selling these.
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Onigiri
Sr Member
Oneye...try using BOTH eyes. I havent lost any argument and thats just wishful thinking on your part. Im sorry that the best insult you could come up with is a snarky line and a borrowed picture and as far as support I see a bunch of low post count people here that just want their toys. People like you are whats wrong with the hobby. Youre the cancer I was speaking about. You dont care where your pieces come from as long as you get your toys and thats the truth of it.
What you have failed to comprehend is that I absolutely DID change something which was to get the moderators INVOLVED. Again, youre wrong (get used to it).
If you think its boring then go away. Simple solution and we both know Spokane is FULL of things to do on an early Wednesday morning...
As far as your latent telepathic abilities and dime store Psych 101 analysis again...youre wrong. Whats bothering me, as I stated above, is the pathetic attitudes of people like you. As for rallying people to my cause...you really are clueless as to whats going on behind the scenes but thats ok. Like I said you (in particular) are already on a couple of people's lists. Dexter didnt say anything 'best'. He made a false statement that you with your rose colored one lensed set of glasses choose to interpret to suit your goals. Nowhere did Art say he was going to allow this to go on. He said he was going to deliberate and make a decision. Maybe I should read it slowly to YOU because its painfully apparent that with one eye youre only seeing half of whats being written. Hate to tell you, Sport, youre incapable of mounting an argument with me...youre woefully outmatched.
So, please (use crayon if you must) show me exactly where Im losing. Show me where I havent changed anything when it was me that brought the moderators in and has them seriously looking at this. Seriously, your statements fail on so many levels of basic comprehension you may want to stick to painting models and let the big boys talk. Dexters post was inaccurate, ill informed and presumptuous. The fact that you agree with it only shows your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.
You are exactly the sort of person I mentioned above which is fine and those agreeing with you are a gaggle of low post count newbs and bystanders with no investment in this community. I dont know if you noticed but the folks with some depth here disappeared when the recasting talk started and your crowd of supporters is reduced to you and a handful of newbs.
As far as losing arguments goes...well, I guess when folks like you and Dexter just sort of read what you want to and make up stuff that isnt there it makes you feel like you've won without actually contributing anything substantive. SD is going ahead and doing his thing because there will always be valueless parasites and bottom feeders waiting to snatch up trinkets without regard to their source or to how it affects the hobby. I know you dont care about any of that and guess which group that puts you in...
Bravo.
What you have failed to comprehend is that I absolutely DID change something which was to get the moderators INVOLVED. Again, youre wrong (get used to it).
If you think its boring then go away. Simple solution and we both know Spokane is FULL of things to do on an early Wednesday morning...
As far as your latent telepathic abilities and dime store Psych 101 analysis again...youre wrong. Whats bothering me, as I stated above, is the pathetic attitudes of people like you. As for rallying people to my cause...you really are clueless as to whats going on behind the scenes but thats ok. Like I said you (in particular) are already on a couple of people's lists. Dexter didnt say anything 'best'. He made a false statement that you with your rose colored one lensed set of glasses choose to interpret to suit your goals. Nowhere did Art say he was going to allow this to go on. He said he was going to deliberate and make a decision. Maybe I should read it slowly to YOU because its painfully apparent that with one eye youre only seeing half of whats being written. Hate to tell you, Sport, youre incapable of mounting an argument with me...youre woefully outmatched.
So, please (use crayon if you must) show me exactly where Im losing. Show me where I havent changed anything when it was me that brought the moderators in and has them seriously looking at this. Seriously, your statements fail on so many levels of basic comprehension you may want to stick to painting models and let the big boys talk. Dexters post was inaccurate, ill informed and presumptuous. The fact that you agree with it only shows your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.
You are exactly the sort of person I mentioned above which is fine and those agreeing with you are a gaggle of low post count newbs and bystanders with no investment in this community. I dont know if you noticed but the folks with some depth here disappeared when the recasting talk started and your crowd of supporters is reduced to you and a handful of newbs.
As far as losing arguments goes...well, I guess when folks like you and Dexter just sort of read what you want to and make up stuff that isnt there it makes you feel like you've won without actually contributing anything substantive. SD is going ahead and doing his thing because there will always be valueless parasites and bottom feeders waiting to snatch up trinkets without regard to their source or to how it affects the hobby. I know you dont care about any of that and guess which group that puts you in...
Bravo.
ONEYE
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I can only see out of one eye. Yes, it's a screen name, but it is true.
Back to the Aliens Warrior Head... I like it, I'm going to buy it. If that gets me banned, then so be it.
As for you Onigiri you've earned a spot on my ignore list. I look forward to the future without your posts.
Back to the Aliens Warrior Head... I like it, I'm going to buy it. If that gets me banned, then so be it.
As for you Onigiri you've earned a spot on my ignore list. I look forward to the future without your posts.
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And, for what it's worth, I don't want one of these and in fact havn't even seen the Alien films.
ONEYE
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Onigiri
Sr Member
@Oneye...could really care less as your not the sort I care to converse with...
@Drew...again, low post count and that doesnt mean you dont get to HAVE an opinion it means you havent been through the troubles this sort of thing has caused through the last 11 or so years. As I stated CLEARLY if Ian doesnt come forward and state an objection and SD really did try to communicate with him then c'est la vie. I cant take issue with that.
Your comments however about studio pieces are AGAIN due to a low post count and lack of knowledge about OUR rules. Youre not saying anything new. Its not hypocrisy in as much as we established here a long time ago that screen used pieces are fair game. Those are OUR rules.
We dont protect the studios...they already got paid. We protect those that shelled out money or had the connections to obtain the piece and bring it to the hobby. If we dont then they wont shell out money to bring pieces to the hobby. Simple concept. Call it honor among thieves.
What hypocrisy is telling folks here its not OK to recast then buying a known recast because its something you PERSONALLY cant live without. Ive turned down a lot of cool pieces because I didnt care for how they were obtained. As I stated to Oneye those that seem more accepting of this behavior are the low post counts types as is evidenced by the posts here. Some longer standing members who were interested seem to have disappeared once the heat got turned up. Im not fooling myself that some of them arent going to buy this piece even if a foul is ruled because some people are more interested in toys then principles. Others are waiting to see how this is ruled and may or may not buy based on the official decision. If Ian doesnt come forward and stake a claim then I have no issue with the selling of the head. What concerns me more then the head is the attitudes of the peanut gallery here that dont care...they just want their toys. Theres TONS of threads here about the recasting issue...so many in fact that your head will hurt reading even a small percentage of them but it WILL help you to understand the dynamic. Hope that helps.
The REAL irony will be when someone recasts THIS piece and it shows up on Ebay. I can hear the seller now: "Well, Swamp Donkey recast so I recast him...whats the big deal". And let me be clear: If Swamp Donkey gets the green light and Ian doesnt come forward and someone here tried to recast Swamp Donkey and undercut him Id be all over THEM. Ive gone after friends on this board and supported those I dont like. Its about objectivity and trying to keep SOME sort of standard in a grey area. If we dont then the community suffers and no more new toys for anyone. Again, theres lots of cool stuff that never got offered here because of folks getting burned by recasters and its a shame.
@Drew...again, low post count and that doesnt mean you dont get to HAVE an opinion it means you havent been through the troubles this sort of thing has caused through the last 11 or so years. As I stated CLEARLY if Ian doesnt come forward and state an objection and SD really did try to communicate with him then c'est la vie. I cant take issue with that.
Your comments however about studio pieces are AGAIN due to a low post count and lack of knowledge about OUR rules. Youre not saying anything new. Its not hypocrisy in as much as we established here a long time ago that screen used pieces are fair game. Those are OUR rules.
We dont protect the studios...they already got paid. We protect those that shelled out money or had the connections to obtain the piece and bring it to the hobby. If we dont then they wont shell out money to bring pieces to the hobby. Simple concept. Call it honor among thieves.
What hypocrisy is telling folks here its not OK to recast then buying a known recast because its something you PERSONALLY cant live without. Ive turned down a lot of cool pieces because I didnt care for how they were obtained. As I stated to Oneye those that seem more accepting of this behavior are the low post counts types as is evidenced by the posts here. Some longer standing members who were interested seem to have disappeared once the heat got turned up. Im not fooling myself that some of them arent going to buy this piece even if a foul is ruled because some people are more interested in toys then principles. Others are waiting to see how this is ruled and may or may not buy based on the official decision. If Ian doesnt come forward and stake a claim then I have no issue with the selling of the head. What concerns me more then the head is the attitudes of the peanut gallery here that dont care...they just want their toys. Theres TONS of threads here about the recasting issue...so many in fact that your head will hurt reading even a small percentage of them but it WILL help you to understand the dynamic. Hope that helps.
The REAL irony will be when someone recasts THIS piece and it shows up on Ebay. I can hear the seller now: "Well, Swamp Donkey recast so I recast him...whats the big deal". And let me be clear: If Swamp Donkey gets the green light and Ian doesnt come forward and someone here tried to recast Swamp Donkey and undercut him Id be all over THEM. Ive gone after friends on this board and supported those I dont like. Its about objectivity and trying to keep SOME sort of standard in a grey area. If we dont then the community suffers and no more new toys for anyone. Again, theres lots of cool stuff that never got offered here because of folks getting burned by recasters and its a shame.
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