Jez... you know I need very little prodding to repost that pic... :lol :lol
Here is my view of AA vs LFL
Here is my view of AA vs LFL
AA Summation for Newbies?
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Star Wars Helmets
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Well I'm almost thinking more....
Cheers
Jez
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Jez
frosty
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I totally agree
Thats all it looks like to me to, i agree about the marketing angle as well, thats what most companys do
Lord Abaddon
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Brak's love that picture! :lol
Jez great touch! :lol
Jez great touch! :lol
voice in the crowd
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Andrew Ainsworth has one thing left to offer the community and that is copies of his photographs from pre production 1976. He claims to have loads of photographs which I do not doubt. It would be a real shame if after all the legal procedings these never see the light of day.
Summation on his helmets they are good quality props made by the guy who made the originals.
If you have the cash and you like what you see and want them - buy them.
If you don't like what you see or hear - don't buy them.
Easy as that
Cheers Chris
Summation on his helmets they are good quality props made by the guy who made the originals.
If you have the cash and you like what you see and want them - buy them.
If you don't like what you see or hear - don't buy them.
Easy as that
Cheers Chris
Qui-Gonzalez
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He can't offer those to the community yet. He has to offer those to the courts first.
Qui-Gonzalez
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With all the licenses being thrown about, I don't think there is any room for AA and his work. Have to wait and see what EFX puts out.
They only interacted with Andrew at the beginning.
I know the guy wanted to make money and I knew long before anyone else here that Brian Muir did the armor and not Andrew, but I kept quiet because I wanted to find out the truth for myself and I knew the implications of that. But I also know a lot of the crap that has been thrown out at him is because he's competition. So we are talking about fanmade helmet makers going after the guy who made the original helmets. If he's a lier that's his problem now, but I've defended a principle here. It would be the same if the Vader helmet makers here try to discredit Brian Muir just because he offers his own helmets (if he stated they were from original molds I would probably do the same thing as the anti-SDS camp here). They'll find something to go after him about. And they will do it to anyone who steps on their turf, regardless of their integrity. Now, I know big claims require a lot of scrutiny but some of the arguments here just were just thrown out like the prototype theory, so I gave my own two cents just for an alternative point of view. You guys completely ignore the inside details of the SDS helmets when I show they are similar to the originals, nor did anyone replicate the auction TK helmets using their perfect TE-derived pulls as I did with the SDS.
You guys still haven't seen the molds and the case is still not finished but I guess you are just a hung jury with bias. I like to see the evidence first before I condemn someone. And it's the same situation as the ILM photos. The armor is a separate issue because if people say he recast it then they've done their homework. How many people here believed that Liz Moore sculpted the TK helmet when LFL claimed that? Where did the other helmets come from that are on the SDS website? You don't see the big huffla about the rebel helmets because there's not the same vested interest by the fanmade helmet makers here.
And I am familiar with what happened at the beginning as well and there's more to it than some people here will admit and I find that pretty hypocritical that there are those who begged Andrew for a cut of the pie to use the molds. It is about the replica prop community trying to use an original maker of props from the movie, then backstabbing him for his claims about the molds even to the extent that TE went crying to LFL....TE...one of the most prolific unlicensed helmet makers out there helping LFL go after an unlicensed maker of props! That's what this is about. What kind of hobby is this?
Where you guys right about the molds? Likely, but I've not seen them nor these LFL photos yet. Did Andrew need your advice putting the helmet together? Yes. But as a collector I am entitled to look at the helmet as it is and say well maybe that's the case but what does it have that could still make it a legitimate source? But the anti-SDS camp is interested in more than what is accurate or from original molds...they are interested in the bottom line.
voice in the crowd
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:lol
I don't think his pictures will be of interest in court they aren't of sculpting or moulds.
I am only talking about the pics of manufacturing and finished items. Some have been shown on his web page and catalogue in low resolution, some others have been in the background at conventions on his stall and some others have been shown elsewhere
His pics will only be of interest to us lot
Clutch I agree I think George will let by gones be by gones :wacko:lol
Tell me honestly you wouldn't want to get these 'and much more' in high resolution.
Cheers Chris
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His pics will only be of interest to us lot
Tell me honestly you wouldn't want to get these 'and much more' in high resolution.
Maybe if someone was nice to him for a change he'd share them. He was kind enough to give me a few.
No offense either, but it just seems like well he's going to the slammer what can we get out of him before then?
voice in the crowd
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No offence taken as I didn't mean for it to come over as vultures picking at the bones of AA. I also don't think anybody will be going to the slammer
What I meant was AA/SDS have released pretty much the full line of helmets and armour from ANH now. As a company making money from their involvement in 1976 the next obvious money making step would be his photographs and other printed items from the time. Not only has AA discussed publishing his photographs in the past he also spoke about selling copies of of his original contracts with Star Wars Productions Ltd. He has also sold copies of some of his pics at conventions and signed them.
So basically what I meant was that as SDS has completed their line of props the only thing left is the documentation left from that era.
Cheers Chris
SithLord, once again you are posting lots of pics but I am just failing to see anything in them. I am sure I don't know everything there is to know about troopers and I am sure I am not the person with the keenest eye here, but what exactly is your point with all these compares? That the SDS does have lineage back to the original helmets? I don't think anyone is arguing that. That the helmets can be made to look relatively close to the originals? I don't think anyone is argung that either. If by your comparisons you are implying that the SDS helmets are the same as the originals, and the only thing throwing them off is the trimming and assembly... well... maybe others will agree with you but I don't see it... and I have nothing to gain from not seeing it as you imply others do.
Qui-Gonzalez
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You're not alone, on either count.
defstartrooper
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Well i see something i'm curious about do you have any clearer pics of the right ear on the originals SL ? not the Hero just Stunts.
From what I can tell the helmets came off the mold differently. The ears vary in shape, the tubes vary in shape, etc. The anti-SDS group has used the TE as the standard, and it's not a standard because there are obvious differences in the originals and for the example of the ears you can see some ears look more like the TE and some look more like the SDS. Yet no one talks about these differences or how they came to be...which is odd given the attention to detail this group consistently applies to other arguments. At one point people seemed to agree that the face was good but the rear cap modified...and clearly there are problems with the rear cap, but it's profile in side/top/rear/front is identical in shape to the original even the minute angular deviations in the curvature...so it had to come from somewhere. The prototype cap is smaller in proportion to the face and if anything the rear cap on the SDS is larger in proportion than the cap on the TE, but those proportions seem to match the auction helmets. I am just a casual observer and by no means a TK helmet expert so people can judge for themselves what the photos show. The ear comp was done long before the HD sources were available. But they give people ideas for further examination...that's all they are intended for as any of my comparisons....
DARKSIDE72
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Indeed, where is it on some of the helmets? And why is the curvature different between helmets? No one here ever explained that and just relied on the TE as the standard, which it's not.
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