Originally posted by Lord Abaddon+Jan 22 2006, 01:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lord Abaddon @ Jan 22 2006, 01:34 PM)</div>
Originally posted by Darbycrash@Jan 22 2006, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Lord Abaddon@Jan 22 2006, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Qui-Gonzalez@Jan 22 2006, 03:24 AM
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@Jan 22 2006, 02:35 AM
Actually it does. It's all known after the fact. Who's to say what was actually going on at that time and who knew what at that time.
*sigh*
I was debating on even replying because it's just reached a point of ridiculousness. You guys are so set, solidly, in your infinite knowledge and wisdom that anything you say is automatically fact while anything anyone else says is just wrong.
I swear to God if AA's own attorneys came in and showed 100% positive proof of his case, you'd still say they were wrong and you were right.
Anyway...continue with the merry-go-round...
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That sword cuts both ways, LA.
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Actually no it doesn't. Except for Ben not one "anti-AA" person has said they would admit they were wrong if evidence was shown that AA was in the right for his ownership and/or use of original molds. Myself, Thomas, Dave, etc. all have said we would....but nobody else.
You see the big difference is we're being open-minded. We know we don't know everything (though I give credit to Thomas and Flynn for trying to get us everything.) and we know that AA might be lying OR LFL might be lying. Just because we happen to side with AA doesn't automatically have us be so closed and narrow minded we'll proclaim him innocent until the end.
Part of the problem I have found in most of these instances is people seeing in B&W and not grey...when nearly everything is VERY grey unless you are directly involved.
And brother if anything was grey it's LFL vs AA right now...
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The main reason I am so against AA/SDS is I just find it very unprofessional a contractor trying to make money off the work he did for a client.
So far Mike what you and Thomas have been saying is that if there is a loophole in the law that makes it cool for AA/SDS to in fact rip off LFL's intellectual property its cool.
I hope if you or Thomas ever need to hire a contractor you wouldn't mind if they went into comptetition against you with your ideas.
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Again it all depends on just who's idea what was and how it applies.
You are hired for a job, you do the job but while doing the job come up with something really unique that isn't part of the overall contract. So...you go out and decide to use it elsewhere to make money for yourself. The company you did the job for comes back and says "HEY. That's actually ours." even though it actually isn't and they sue you. Now, you created that work, it was yours, it came about due to the work hired for but wasn't part of the overall contract. So then is it professional for the company to sue?
And actually Ben, I wouldn't be that greedy. Frankly were I LFL, especially in their situation with the millions they have and make worldwide from merchandising, I'd take a look at what AA is doing, see how very different it is from what MR will be doing (definitely have to honor the licensee), and see if he would rather work for LFL than fight against LFL. Especially as this situation is not endearing LFL to the UK and EU fans (who, from what I have read, aren't thrilled with how LFL and GL don't pay much homage to the Europeans who worked on the movies).
In other words, make it so everyone wins. AA gets to be the actual licensee of screen used helmets with LFL approval. He makes money, LFL makes money, both can ride on their names and background. AA would have to drop the "Trooping" helmet (and maybe armor) so that it doesn't infringe on the MR license since they are making an idealized helmet (though is it strong enough for Trooping?). It's been clearly presented here and on eBay people will buy both, one for display one for fun (or more actually).
Now...were this GF, TE, etc. it probably would be a different story since they had nothing to do with the films at all and weren't doing anything but their own works. (But then again, I'm not GL...I would have hired some of the fans making these wonderful pieces, especially GF, to start an actual production or give Don Post some pointers.).
So it all depends on who you are, what you feel, what's happened, etc. Entirely subjective.
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