AA case begins

[defstartrooper]

Hey.....smurfs ARE short and blue. Ain't nothing else to be said about it
I wasn't the person recast. And as he was banned over this very subject, call me a cynic about justice happening to you, no matter how much you deserve it.

Point 1 baiting is against the rules

Point 2 discussing a banned member and promoting their wares is aginst the rules

Point 3 The banned member which you seem unable to stop talking about requested the ban so now who is distorting facts ?

Point 4 and probably the most important i've never seen Jez say that AA's moulds were original,i've seen him say that AA claims he has the original moulds that's two diferent things.
If you can provide evidence of these many times that Jez said AA's moulds were original i'll concede on that last point.

 

[exoray]

Point 4 and probably the most important i've never seen Jez say that AA's moulds were original,i've seen him say that AA claims he has the original moulds that's two diferent things.
If you can provide evidence of these many times that Jez said AA's moulds were original i'll concede on that last point.

From Jez's own site

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/sdshelmets.htm

using many of the original moulds used to create the original helmets.

Sorry you can play games and twist the words, but the working from Jez is pretty clear to those who are not wearing the AA tinted lenses, "using the original moulds used to create the original helmets." it says nothing about claimed, instead clearly says using the originals...

You can also clearly see in Jez's family tree he indicates original mold lineage, this tree was highly debated on this very forum and Jez insisted at that time that the AA's came from the original molds and reflected that in his family tree...

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/stormfamilytree.htm


And if that wasn't convincing...

http://www.therpf.com/showpost.php?p=456837&postcount=59

I am still of the view that he DOES have the original Stormtrooper helmet moulds

Can't get much more clear then that...

Lets go back to 2004, before the debates really started to get turned up...

http://boards.theforce.net/costuming_and_props/b10019/16900343/p1/

As many will know Andrew created the original helmets for ANH in 1976 and these new helmets are identical, cast from the same original moulds.

 

[Jumpin Jax]

Exoray covered it better than I. As for the ban, I've seen the notice.
I'm working in PM land to calm some of the more destructive reactions of myself and others, and will not add further to this thread...of the thread.

 

[defstartrooper]

Ok cool

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Exoray, sure I believe AA has some of the original moulds he used in 1976. I've been involved in countless debates about it on this and other boards and stated my position. However I'm bored now of arguing it as we never seem to get anywhere - hence I stayed out of revisiting this thread until some pretty nasty baiting from Jumpin Jax. As a case in point, when I recently got my hands on an original AT-AT helmet I did a 1:1 comparison with one of SDS's TIE's and found the match was extremely close - especially on some of the inside "tells". However I didn’t bother to report on it since I have no interest in revisiting all the same arguments again - especially when there seems to be a witch-hunt against anyone who supported AA in the past.

I should also point out that I am confident that some of what AA produces has NOT come from original moulds, or that the moulds are in such a different state to make the point null and void - the back/cap of his Stormtrooper helmet the latter, and his complete armour an example of the former.

But if we look at SDS's TIE fighter pilot, I am still confident that this is from original moulds, as is his XWing and I think there's a good chance his Gunner and RFT was too. Sure his assembly sucks and his reference seems to be of prototype designs (like the ears on the black Imperial guards) but in essence these helmets are too close to original designs to not come from either an original mould (or mouldings). IN MY OPINION, the Stormtrooper face plate falls into this category. Lets also be clear that the Judge did not make any statements over the validity of AA’s claims over the original moulds - so no one here (including myself) knows whether they are genuine or not, we can only speculate.

I’m happy to conceed the point over the family tree. That was put together many years ago and a lot has moved on since then. TBH I cant be bothered to debate it any more so would rather pull it from my site. Like I said, much there is old and needs updating - however over recent years have altered the wording with regard to AA concentrating on his work "manufacturing the helmets and armour" and not "creating" - which was clearly the work of others - and the original point on this thread.

If anyone has any other changes that they think should be made to my site then please pm me as I’m happy to work with people to make it as accurate as possible.

As an example, on the actual SDS Trooper Helmet page it currently says "SDS has always voraciously maintained that it is cast from the original 1976 moulds." and I have tried to point out that these are SDS's claims and not mine. The quote you pointed out was a sub page which I will change - and will have another look through to see what else could be incorrect or out of date. However like I said earlier - If people see stuff that they think is wrong then pm or mail me and we can work to put it right.

As far as your other quote (and it appears you have a library of this kind of stuff just ready to go) it was made over four years ago and concerned a helmet AA had donated to an auction to raise proceeds for the family of the head of the UK Garrison - following his sudden death. Nice!

Like I said, things move on - maybe some of you guys should too?

Cheers

Jez

 

[Onigiri]

I think youre a grade A simpleton. Thats my opinion after reading what you have written. The facts back this up because the only alternative is that youre a troll. There is no third option. You said you read the findings and since this is what you came up with your words show you to be one, the other or both.
Youve got the guy who sculpted the original armor right here.
Liz Moore sculpted the helmets.
Ainsworth is a semi talented plastic former used as a last ditch effort to get suits finished. In court he was proven a liar.

Justice Mann made it clear that Ainsworth is a liar and a manipulator and the only thing saving him in the UK is copyright law. In the US we protect our intellectual property a little better and Ainsworth has been shown to be full of crap in BOTH countries. All youve done is taken HUGE steps to being unwelcome here.
Go away troll. :thumbsdown

I did read them and he won. Think you guys need to learn to live with that

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Onigiri - are your comments levelled at nailuj or me?

Cheers

Jez

 

[Onigiri]

At Nailju...hence his quote in quotes in my post that I am responding to directly.
If however you feel left out Jez....

Onigiri - are your comments levelled at nailuj or me?

Cheers

Jez

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

ok thanks - no not feeling leaving left out :lol

Cheers

Jez

 

[Onigiri]

There once was a guy named Jez.....
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...ummmmm.....
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you are so lucky nothing cool (except Hez) rhymes with Jez.....

 

[Too Much Garlic]

There once was a guy named Jez.....
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...ummmmm.....
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you are so lucky nothing cool (except Hez) rhymes with Jez.....

Pez...

Oh... sorry to add to this. Going away now.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

There once was a guy named Jez
Who lived in the same country as Hez (formerly )
And who very much liked Pez
And maybe even enjoyed wearing a Fez.

 

[Brian Muir]

That's not the same guy, but it's from the same shoot.

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Hi Gino,

This is definitely the suit I sculpted and the way I like to remember it. None of the extra details had been added at this stage - or the gun!

Screen test shots taken Elstree Studios 15th March 76.

I find it hard to see this as the suit I sculpted and had pride in that you say was used for promotional purposes. :cry

Brian

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[gonk27]

Great photos Brian! thanks for sharing.

It's good to see you here, I've really enjoyed your Vader imput on the prop den too. It's always fun hearing about the experiences of the original artists on these films!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

WOW, cool pictures. Thanks for showing those. :thumbsup

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Great pics Brian! Thank you for posting!

Question though, did you have the staff as a replacement for a large gun, or was the possibility of using a saber or something else (like the Emperor's Guard Force Pike) for the Stormtroopers still being bandied about?

 

[Onigiri]

Awesome Brian,
Can you do me a big favor. Im at work and my relief is about to come in. Hes a HUGE Star Wars fan but not a member here. He LOVES STormtroopers...could you just say "Hi Justin" So I can show him when he comes in?
Thanks
Don

Hi Gino,

This is definitely the suit I sculpted and the way I like to remember it. None of the extra details had been added at this stage - or the gun!

Screen test shots taken Elstree Studios 15th March 76.

I find it hard to see this as the suit I sculpted and had pride in that you say was used for promotional purposes. :cry

Brian

 

[gonk27]

There once was a guy named Jez
Who lived in the same country as Hez (formerly )
And who very much liked Pez
And maybe even enjoyed wearing a Fez.

There once was a person named Jez
People read every word that he says,
Some say he's wrong,
(in threads that get long),
At the end of the day, who cares?

 

[Onigiri]

There once was a sculptor named Brian
Who said Andrew Ainsworth was Lyin'
This much is sure
The suits were sculpted by Miur
Now that dumb S.O.B. Ainsworth is cryin'

i

 

[Howard]

There once was a sculptor named Brian
Who said Andrew Ainsworth was Lyin'
This much is sure
The suits were sculpted by Miur
Now that dumb S.O.B. Ainsworth is cryin'

i

:lol
Superb!

Just like to add; thanks Brian for sharing your pictures and insights, they are greatly appreciated!

Howard.