AA case begins
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Jumpin Jax
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AA was called out on his testifying and seen to be making up his story to support his story rather than recounting the facts(words of the court), was slapped down about dealing to the USA, but not about selling in the UK.
So no USA selling, UK sales allowed until LFL's eventual appeal.
Mr. No Stripes
Sr Member
I see...
defstartrooper
Sr Member
What it all means is that Ainsworth is a liar but he hasn't breached any UK copyright laws that's the judgement of this hearing at least, appeals may be lodged.
On a wider note the judge has classed the armour and helmet designs as industrial designs rather than artistic, so i'm assuming that according to this ruling anyone can open up shop in the UK and start selling this stuff because copyrights are not applicable now is that right ?
On a wider note the judge has classed the armour and helmet designs as industrial designs rather than artistic, so i'm assuming that according to this ruling anyone can open up shop in the UK and start selling this stuff because copyrights are not applicable now is that right ?
Brian Muir
Well-Known Member
It isn't the victory that Ainsworth and his lawyers would have people believe.
AA has no rights to ownership anywhere else in the world other than the UK.
His lawyers did not get the big payout that they were hoping for as the case was based on AAs everchanging story.
Damages are still to be agreed.
As AA has been publicly shown to be the liar that so many fans suspected him of being any credibility he may have had has now been lost.
Should anyone be curious enough to pay £12 for his dvd to see how he 'sculpted' the original stormtrooper helmet be advised that it is a work of pure fiction.
I was given copies of the 3 dvds so that I could give my opinion in court of his 'sculpting' skills. I told AAs barrister in court that his sculpting was so poor that a school kid could do better.
Two of the dvds show how he vacuum forms the helmets and armour zzzz
For anyone new to the forum - Liz Moore sculpted the helmet and I sculpted the armour.
Brian Muir
AA has no rights to ownership anywhere else in the world other than the UK.
His lawyers did not get the big payout that they were hoping for as the case was based on AAs everchanging story.
Damages are still to be agreed.
As AA has been publicly shown to be the liar that so many fans suspected him of being any credibility he may have had has now been lost.
Should anyone be curious enough to pay £12 for his dvd to see how he 'sculpted' the original stormtrooper helmet be advised that it is a work of pure fiction.
I was given copies of the 3 dvds so that I could give my opinion in court of his 'sculpting' skills. I told AAs barrister in court that his sculpting was so poor that a school kid could do better.
Two of the dvds show how he vacuum forms the helmets and armour zzzz
For anyone new to the forum - Liz Moore sculpted the helmet and I sculpted the armour.
Brian Muir
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
And that is that, kids! The guy is a thieving piece of scum.
BRIAN
It is GREAT to have you post here! A little OT, but I got to speak to Nick Malley a couple of times, and it's always nice to here from the guys who were there, in the beginning.
-brian-
Karma is more effective than the legal system; give it time.
Personally, I intend to proffer the facts of Liz and Brian's great contributions wherever possible. Their talented works are part of film history; a history which will not be revised by opportunistic, shameless, and talentless scum like Andrew Ainsworth. Don't sweat it. And Brian: thank you, a thousand times over.
_Mike
Personally, I intend to proffer the facts of Liz and Brian's great contributions wherever possible. Their talented works are part of film history; a history which will not be revised by opportunistic, shameless, and talentless scum like Andrew Ainsworth. Don't sweat it. And Brian: thank you, a thousand times over.
_Mike
Stormy320
Sr Member
Brian,
From someone who has enjoyed the "Stormtrooper" since I was six, nice to meet you (sort of).
You probably can't comment, but from what I understand the original molds to the stormtrooper armor pieces are long gone.
With so much interest in this character 30 years later, has there ever been talk of you using your talents to sculpt the ANH armor again for sale to the public with Lucas permission?
Or, perhaps the better question is, would you have any interest?
I think most of us are happy with the armor that is available, but at least to me, it never looks as cool as what was on screen in 1977.
From someone who has enjoyed the "Stormtrooper" since I was six, nice to meet you (sort of).
You probably can't comment, but from what I understand the original molds to the stormtrooper armor pieces are long gone.
With so much interest in this character 30 years later, has there ever been talk of you using your talents to sculpt the ANH armor again for sale to the public with Lucas permission?
Or, perhaps the better question is, would you have any interest?
I think most of us are happy with the armor that is available, but at least to me, it never looks as cool as what was on screen in 1977.
Mr. No Stripes
Sr Member
Brian? You sculpted it? seriously? Swwweet... can I have your autograph? 
So really Andrew was just the guy that Vacuum Formed them?
Did John Mollo really assemble them? Or is that all a lie too?
So really Andrew was just the guy that Vacuum Formed them?
Did John Mollo really assemble them? Or is that all a lie too?
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Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
Would have saved a lot of trouble had people listened to that opinion a couple of YEARS ago.
And not listened to someone that tried to publicly dismiss Brian's contribution for sales purposes.
I believe the phrase was, "So now you're trying to say AA didn't sculpt the suits because SOME GUY said he did?"
A moment of applause for the AA promotion team.:rolleyes
Reactor drone
Well-Known Member
Brian? You sculpted it? seriously? Swwweet... can I have your autograph?
So really Andrew was just the guy that Vacuum Formed them?
Did John Mollo really assemble them? Or is that all a lie too?
Ainsworth would have made the metal filled resin forms and worked out the breakdown of parts for the helmets so he has got some skills and talent in the area but he was producing these from clay sculpts that were done by others.
The main problem is that he somewhat overstates his contribution to the process.In his own mind I'm sure he feels that,since his were the last hands to modify the look of the moulds that produced the helmets,he was the sculptor of the form seen on film.
Brian Muir
Well-Known Member
Ainsworth did not make moulds for the armour - they were made by the mould makers at Elstree and given to him. The moulds were only passed to AA because there was a problem with the vacuum forming machine at Elstree(which was confirmed by Pemberton in court). There were several suits made at Elstree before the moulds were sent off to Ainsworth.
At the time I saw the finished suits that were made at Elstree and the suits that came back from Ainsworth and they were exactly the same and exactly the same as my sculpt. Any sculptor will appreciate that you know your own work.
Pemberton was given the clay sculpt for the helmet.No evidence was produced to clear up the mystery of who made the moulds but Pemberton did say in his witness statement that he knew a good fibreglass guy. It was not AA as he did not have the skills or knowledge to make moulds. AA would have you believe that he discarded the clay as it was of 'no use' and 'sculpted' the mould. He shows this process on his dvd on sale for £12. The process and end result are extraordinarly bad considering this was done to prove his skills. Also the filming is cut so much that it gives no indication of the length of time it took to come to a finish that could never have been used.
He brought a few moulds to court and showed them to me intimating that they were the original moulds but I told the judge that it was pointless commenting on them as they are obviously new moulds.
Also AA had gone to great lengths to state that the 'tools' that were made in fibreglass by Elstree would have been no good as he stated you cannot pull from fibreglass. Strange that his moulds in court were made from fibreglass which the judge made a point of commenting on.
AA's sole contribution was the vac forming process.
Brian
Brian Muir
Well-Known Member
Thanks Mike - I've enjoyed your very insightful posts :thumbsup
There are sites that still endorse Ainsworth's lies and need to be updated so that newcomers know the truth from the start.
I believe in Karma but sometimes it needs a little help
Brian
Brian Muir
Well-Known Member
Looking at the armour and moulds that Ainsworth showed me in court the original moulds are gone as they do not resemble the suit I sculpted that is seen on film.
I would be willing to be involved in sculpting any of the characters that I originally sculpted ( including Vader and the droids) but it is whether permission would be granted by Lucas (as yet I have not been approached).
Brian
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
Brian, thank you for everything. Both your creation as well as your unimpeachable facts about the process; they have laid years of lies and complete SHASH to rest.
JJ
PS. Oh yes, and proven Trooperexpert right. And bingobongo an accessory to fraud.
JJ
PS. Oh yes, and proven Trooperexpert right. And bingobongo an accessory to fraud.
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
There is no doubt in my mind that AA wasn't anything other than a vac-former, now trying to steal credit from real artisans. That's about as much as I need to know about him.
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