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But the whole toy robot thing really makes me laugh. Especially when you consider that one of the specifics of the "Star Wars versus Battlestar Galactica" court case (which WAS won by Universal Studios, BTW) was the HAIRSTYLES of Galactica being too similar to the hairstyles in Star Wars!

As a factual correction, Universal did not win the lawsuit... The case was mutually dismissed by both studios...

And another fact about the case is Lucas did not join the lawsuit as he didn't agree with 20th Century, it was a 20th Century Fox vs Universal Studio only lawsuit...

And last Copyright, Trademarks and Patents are not there to 100% hinder competition and/or new ideas built upon previous ideas... They are there to protect your specific ideas and implementations of those ideas and grant limited rights to them...
 
Exactly what I have been noticing as well. The supporters that used to the best spin doctors for AA are now changing their stories. It would be interesting to see the original posts from 2 years ago when this whole thing started.

Oh I have copies of the original thread from 4 years ago :)

You would really be surprised at how badly a few people had drank the Kool-Aid.:lol The AA ass kissing was truly something to behold.

To pass the time until the verdict is in, this was the best example of the leader drinking his own Kool-Aid....and oldy but goodie.....funniest bits in red...

"Shepperton Design Studio
76 The Green
Twickenham
Middlesex TW2 5AG

3rd January 2005

It has come to my attention that there have been some concerns raised over the authenticity and provenance of the moulds and processes used for the productions of my new range of SDS helmets.

I would like to assure collectors that we ARE using the original moulds, the same ones we used in 1976 to create the screen-used helmets. Our statement “The Original Maker, The Original Moulds” means precisely what it says!

I’ll go on to explain a little more of the history of the project and the background to the moulds and the “prototype” helmets over the following points.

1 All plastic moulding companies have a mould store. The time and effort in making moulds does not warrant throwing them away after the initial production run. We have had a mould store in the North of England since the mid 1970's where we have stored hundreds of moulds we made before and after this project including those for films such as Alien, Flash Gordon, Outland and Space 1999.

2 When working on Film and Television projects, there is always the real possibility of the film being a success. Hence the further need for the moulds to be protected and therefore available for follow-on work and another obvious reason to store the moulds. We also kept all records of Invoices, Purchase Orders and VAT records relating to the project. Normal business practice requires that records are kept for 6 years, and so clearly these records in our possession after 30 years show's our intention to be involved at some future date. That date has now come, and without the moulds the records would be of little use.

3 The moulds to make the rubber trims for the helmets were already in store, as they were extrusion moulds relating to our car production. Such a crossover of use for a mould is common, and hence a further reason for not throwing moulds away.

4 Moulds do not degrade from non use. If they are strong enough to hold up to the heat and pressure of a vacuum forming process, there is nothing in storage that is going to affect their structure.

5 In the case of the Stormtrooper moulds, the extremities that either take considerable wear in use or are vulnerable in storage have been refurbished. One area is the edging to the `teeth` on the face of the Stormtrooper / Imperial Pilot (same mould). The other area is around the left hand side looking at the back of the helmet, where the tumblehome has been fettled in to align up better with the front face. This area always was a problem and annoyed me, as it caused misfitting of earpieces back in 1976. Given the length of time between the original being made and our new helmets we believe small items of refurbishments like these are totally realistic and understandable and without them the quality of product that you see today would not be as good.

6 There is absolutely no reason to remake moulds, other than the refurbishment described above, and indeed this is the same for the Imperial Pilot and all the other characters that we currently have plans to bring back into production. For example, look at the crown of the Pilot Helmet, where there is a small `nick` out of the mould on the top edge - I just stopped myself repairing it in time - as I noticed the same nick on the screen version.

7 The history behind the `serrated` trooper - When conceptualising the production methods for the Stormtrooper, the overriding consideration was that this character was not human and the head could not be seen to be human supporting a helmet. My initial preferred method of construction was either rotational moulding in PU or PE or slush moulding in PVC. This was to accommodate undercuts and tumblehomes, which would enhance the image of an all-enveloping head shape. However the restraints of budget and the pressure of time forced me to consider a quick compromise with vacuum formed sheet material. The tumblehome at the back of the helmet was problem in vacuum forming, as the moulding would not release from the mould. In an attempt to overcome this problem I conducted an experiment of the rear head detail by constructing a `U ` shaped piece of metal with the gable ends filled in. Over one edge I planted a flexible car heater hose supported well enough to withstand the pressure of vacuum forming. After forming over the make-do mould, the flexible hose could be peeled out of the moulding giving me the tumblehome I required. Although this was no production method, the principle could be developed further to produce vacuum forming moulds that could possibly produce undercuts. After four or five attempts at the `lost hose` process I shelved this until a later date. Towards the end of my involvement in the film I re-visited the` Serrated` Stormtrooper. I took the back part of the helmet from the production item, which was being used on screen and cut off the lower rear section. Gluing on the serrated sections from the initial trials, it gave me a development of the Stormtrooper for future use. Several of the characters were conceived in this way, e.g.: the Imprial Pilot was a result of mating the face of a Stormtrooper and the back of a Rebel Pilot. By the time I increased the overall bulk, changed it to black, added a war like Mohawk, the `Imperial Pilot` grew an awesome presence.

8 I’m aware of the interest in the issue regarding the composition of the original helmets. Let me be categorically clear on this point. The vast majority of the Stormtrooper helmets we produced were made from a batch of white ABS we ordered in after being given the go ahead by the Studio (as a relevant point the ABS order size was so huge it took us a long time to clear – long after the project was complete). My team here who worked with me on the original film are also absolutely clear on this issue. Irrespective of our own clear memories of the project it is inconceivable to suggest that we could have produced the glossy body armour in one material, with the helmets in another. Especially a bumpy, painted material whose finish was so poor on the eye. Quite simply our contacts on the film would not have accepted them and quite rightly so! I am sure that some of the Polythene helmets probably did end up on screen, such were the demands for the film at that time, however I am absolutely positive that the vast majority were ABS and these would have taken a colossal pounding during filming. This point, along with the fact that it was industry practice to destroy all scenery and costumes/props such as this when filming completed, probably goes some way to explain why there are now problems locating original ABS helmets.

It is a shame that so many of the supposed question marks raised over my current production have come from the very people who have had the benefit from capitalising on my original work over the past years. This I find quite complimentary and wish them the best of luck with their endeavours. However, I cannot help who I am and I cannot help that my production of replica helmets come from the original moulds and the original hands that made the screen-used items in the first place.

I will continue to bring back all the characters we worked on at Shepperton Design Studios, and as an artist derive immense satisfaction from the joy that this project brings to so many.

Wishing you a Happy New year

Yours sincerely

Andrew Ainsworth
Director. (Managing)
Shepperton Design Studios
Registered in England No. 4400426
Shepperton Design Studios
http://www.sdsprops.com
76 The Green
Twickenham
Middlesex TW2 5AG
UK
Tel +44 (0)208 898 4839
Fax +44 (0)208 755 0981 "
 
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Short synopsis is this: Andrew Ainsworth claimed to be the sole creator of the stormtrooper as we know him today. He also claimed that the helmets he was selling through Shepperton Design Studios were all crafted from original molds, which he was the sole sculptor of. He thumbed his nose when LFL sent him a Cease and Desist order. LFL then took him to court in the states. Ainsworth defaulted on the case, the judge here awarded LFL a settlement. Ainsworth basically wanted to bring the case to the UK, where he thought he could win. He did not win. We are now all waiting to hear how far over the coals Ainsworth will be raked.

I knew that much of it. What I don't know about is why there is an argument amongst RPF members. Am I correct in thinking that it's about the claims of "original molds"? Or does "original sculptor" get disputed too?

Scott
 
I knew that much of it. What I don't know about is why there is an argument amongst RPF members. Am I correct in thinking that it's about the claims of "original molds"? Or does "original sculptor" get disputed too?

Scott
Yes, both have been disputed. Ainsworth claim was that he was the original sculptor, that he did not use any reference material (Read McQuarrie paintings) and that he was the owner of that incarnation of the helmets based on those "facts". Well, it came out that Liz Moore was the original sculptor of the helmet prototype, which looks markedly like what we know today, shattering Ainsworth's story to pieces. Liz Moore sculpted the helmet outside of Elstree Studios, which is why Brian Muir, the armor sculptor, was unaware of her involvement.

So, we have a pretty shallow human being trying to capitalize on the work of a woman who is deceased and unable to defend her contribution, or so he thought. We have a liar, in Ainsworth, who's every claim has been called to question now.

Edit: The reason there is argument among RPF members is because many felt that he was a forthright, honest man who was getting a rough ride from LFL. Others felt the guy was full of crap, to put it simply, and deserved whatever the courts gave him for trying to rip folks off.
 
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I knew that much of it. What I don't know about is why there is an argument amongst RPF members. Am I correct in thinking that it's about the claims of "original molds"? Or does "original sculptor" get disputed too?

Scott

Most of the arguments stemmed from the fact that many people bought helmets at a PREMIUM because they were suppose to be from original mint condition molds only to discover something was seriously wrong and to then be told they didn't know what they were talking about and to go away.

When questions were raised, people were put down, told to quit whining and that there was nothing wrong, we were seeing things and we didn't know what we were talking about.Oreveryone that complained was accused of being a trooper maker or a shill for one who was worried about lost trooper profits.

Most of the AA defenders were happy to jump on the AA bandwagon because they had vendetas or hated CRProps/Gino/TE and this was the perfect way to get back at them.

It seemed to many purchasers that the Pro AA backlash was so stiffling and blind to the OBVIOUS discrepancies that they all had to be shills for AA and had in some way recieved favors or compensation that conflicted with their ability to see the truth. In a few instances this was the truth or it was a case of the above paragraph.

That is the rift in a nutshell.
 
I got taken by AA. The thought of owning a duplicate of what I saw on screen was just too good of an opportunity to pass up. Oh well. When I realized his stand was an exact copy of the MR remote stand I knew I had been screwed. If AA was the talent he claimed he was he would have never copied someone else's work. This was the first sign of major trouble to me.

I remember the heated debate from the pro AA guys and those who questioned him. It got ugly. I think many just wanted it to be true that we could own a real copy, but we knew quickly AA took us.

I got duped by Lucas and Don Post too who claimed the DP "Lifesize Trooper" was cast from an original as well.

Thanks for listening.
 
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I got taken by AA. The thought of owning a duplicate of what I saw on screen was just too good of an opportunity to pass up. Oh well. When I realized his stand was an exact copy of the MR remote stand I knew I had been screwed. If AA was the talent he claimed he was he would have never copied someone else's work. This was the first sign of major trouble to me.

I remember the heated debate from the pro AA guys and those who questioned him. It got ugly. I think many just wanted it to be true that we could own a real copy, but we knew quickly AA took us.

I got duped by Lucas and Don Post too who claimed the DP "Lifesize Trooper" was cast from an original as well.

Thanks for listening.

Really ? i think most realised as soon as the first pics were published that the helmets hadn't come from completely untouched moulds from 76.

It's interesting you mention the DP statue because nobody kicked up as big a fuss about that and many other licenced products which are/were sold as accurate/authentic replicas.

AA is a liar but the truth is many people had it in for him from the beginning for other reasons, they like to portray themselves as champions of honesty but they aren't.
There are a great many replicas on the market sold as authentic/accurate/cast from original that display innacuracies but where are these 40 page threads from these champions of truth outing these producers as liars ?
What made AA special ?

Bottom line is don't believe sales hype do your own research and comparisons before parting with your hard earned cash, it's not really a big surprise that people will stretch the truth and even tell outright lies to part you from it.
 
Most of the arguments stemmed from the fact that many people bought helmets at a PREMIUM because they were suppose to be from original mint condition molds only to discover something was seriously wrong and to then be told they didn't know what they were talking about and to go away.

When questions were raised, people were put down, told to quit whining and that there was nothing wrong, we were seeing things and we didn't know what we were talking about.Oreveryone that complained was accused of being a trooper maker or a shill for one who was worried about lost trooper profits.

Most of the AA defenders were happy to jump on the AA bandwagon because they had vendetas or hated CRProps/Gino/TE and this was the perfect way to get back at them.

It seemed to many purchasers that the Pro AA backlash was so stiffling and blind to the OBVIOUS discrepancies that they all had to be shills for AA and had in some way recieved favors or compensation that conflicted with their ability to see the truth. In a few instances this was the truth or it was a case of the above paragraph.

That is the rift in a nutshell.

Aaah yes I do remember those condescending posts anytime someone made any type of critical post about those helmets. That was what I think got many up in arms about the whole AA thing in the first place.
 
Most of the arguments stemmed from the fact that many people bought helmets at a PREMIUM because they were suppose to be from original mint condition molds only to discover something was seriously wrong and to then be told they didn't know what they were talking about and to go away.

And many people bought the helmets, even realizing that the information about them might not be 100% accurate, and liked them very much but were told they were idiots and stupid for buying them and to go away.

When questions were raised, people were put down, told to quit whining and that there was nothing wrong, we were seeing things and we didn't know what we were talking about.Oreveryone that complained was accused of being a trooper maker or a shill for one who was worried about lost trooper profits.

When people said they liked the helmets they were told they were clearly blind, stupid, or didn't know what they were talking about. Or everyone that enjoyed what they had was a shill for AA or just too stupid to know anything about Trooper helmets.

Most of the AA defenders were happy to jump on the AA bandwagon because they had vendetas or hated CRProps/Gino/TE and this was the perfect way to get back at them.

Most of the AA detractors were happy to jump on the anti-AA bandwagon because they were friends with CRProps/Gino/TE and this was a perfect way to attack someone they have already vilified.

It seemed to many purchasers that the Pro AA backlash was so stiffling and blind to the OBVIOUS discrepancies that they all had to be shills for AA and had in some way recieved favors or compensation that conflicted with their ability to see the truth. In a few instances this was the truth or it was a case of the above paragraph.

It seemed to many of the purchasers that the anti-AA blacklash was so stifling and blind to the OBVIOUS similarities that they all had to be in it for the monetary reasons and the fact that AA blew off their friends after trying to cut a deal with AA which conflicted with their ability to accept those similarities. In a few instances this was the truth or it was a case of the above paragraph.

That is the rift in a nutshell.

That's the other side of the rift in the same nutshell. ;)
 
Aaah yes I do remember those condescending posts anytime someone made any type of critical post about those helmets. That was what I think got many up in arms about the whole AA thing in the first place.

Aaah yes I do remember those condescending posts anytime someone made any type of favorable post about those helmets. That was what I think got many up in arms about the whole AA thing in the first place.

;)
 
Like all of the big "touchy" subjects here, there are several different dynamics going on, but the one that always sticks out to me is the presence of people for whom being a [whatever] expert is waaaay too important; people who get a large part of their identity and self-worth from a desire to be "King of [whatever]". The whole thing is overly personal to them, and so they take any assault on their tiny little hill as being some sort of personal attack. They're usually petty, insulting, and defensive. It's about as strictly the definition of "pathetic" as one could ask for. What's ironic is that these attitudes are precisely what keeps these same people from getting the access they so desperately desire. This place is on the radar, and the true gatekeepers out there know exactly who they want to avoid, no matter how much information that person claims to have.

For the rest of us, however, we don't get all frothy-mouthed one way or another, because our goal is simply to get the best stuff. We don't care where it comes from, we just look, listen, and make judgments. I am sure as hell no stormtrooper expert, but I saw a bunch of inaccuracies in AA's helmet photos, and I'd done my research, so I didn't buy one. That his claims have turned out to be patently, nearly sociopathically, false is no surprise to me. For jeopardizing the fine, fine line we all walk with this stuff - a delicate truce at best - I hope they bury him and we all distance ourselves from the stink.


_Mike
 
I'm not trying to be a smartass (okay, maybe a little :p) but I just want to show how "the other side of the coin" reads.

It is a sad state. I would bet good money that face-to-face 95% of this crap wouldn't have come across the way it did and many people wouldn't have said what they did. More than likely they would have talked about the topic and hashed out their feelings, but the anonymity of the computer gives people a lot more leeway than a face-to-face would ever allow.

I hope once this is all over that people remember this and how far it went, and do their utmost to never let it happen again (including me).
 
Aaah yes I do remember those condescending posts anytime someone made any type of favorable post about those helmets. That was what I think got many up in arms about the whole AA thing in the first place.

;)

The funny part is I remember a guy that bought one of the helmets. Not being very happy with his and basically getting the comment that maybe he isn't a sophisticated enough collector to own one. I mean it wasn't written exactly like that but came off that way.
 
Master replicas Stormtrooper LE Helmet.

People waited a long long time for this helmet to happen MR made a big point of telling everyone that it would be an accurate authentic helmet made by scanning an original Hero helmet and using moulds from an original Stunt and their sales material said all this.
Well God only knows what they did with those scans and moulds because the helmet they produced and sold showed little sign of resembling an accurate helmet or anything close to one.

Face plate - wrong
Cap/Back - wrong
Ears - wrong
Material - wrong
Construction - wrong

Is it a nice helmet ? Yes.
Is it the helmet their sales material describe ? No.
Is it the helmet we were all waiting for and expecting ? No.

Did anyone kick up a stink about it ? No.
 
I went back and did a search here. Type in the search engine "Shepperton" and find the threads. Read them and judge for yourselves what exactly was being argued. Those who were against AA from the beginning consistently made snide and personal remarks against other members of the forum. And they continue to do so...they go on and on and ON and that's why this never ends. And they were not infallible either. Every one of them at the announcement of default said "this is it for AA", "AA's goose is cooked" and "LFL wins against AA" and so forth. All of you ignored the jurisdiction argument, and none of you believed it would go to the UK, you thought the UK laws were irrelevant, that since LFL is in the good 'ol USA, the US courts have prevailed. Well, sorry, it did go to the UK and that was the intended purpose of the default, my friends. There's no dance, no spin, no backpeddling, just what it was. A different point of view. So give it a rest already.
 
If it wasn't for me seeing an AA advertisement in a magazine, I probably wouldn't be here today.

See? AA really was evil! :lol
 
I went back and did a search here. Type in the search engine "Shepperton" and find the threads. Read them and judge for yourselves what exactly was being argued. Those who were against AA from the beginning consistently made snide and personal remarks against other members of the forum. And they continue to do so...they go on and on and ON and that's why this never ends. And they were not infallible either. Every one of them at the announcement of default said "this is it for AA", "AA's goose is cooked" and "LFL wins against AA" and so forth. All of you ignored the jurisdiction argument, and none of you believed it would go to the UK, you thought the UK laws were irrelevant, that since LFL is in the good 'ol USA, the US courts have prevailed. Well, sorry, it did go to the UK and that was the intended purpose of the default, my friends. There's no dance, no spin, no backpeddling, just what it was. A different point of view. So give it a rest already.

The threads I am talking about was the first show off threads when the helmets were first purchased. They don't seem to exist anymore.
 
All of you ignored the jurisdiction argument, and none of you believed it would go to the UK, you thought the UK laws were irrelevant, that since LFL is in the good 'ol USA, the US courts have prevailed. Well, sorry, it did go to the UK and that was the intended purpose of the default, my friends.

One opinion, I never said it wouldn't go to the UK, in fact I said many times it would go to the UK to get enforced, and AA would have his day in UK courts to argue the judgment... His UK counter suit escalated the situation making it a full fledged case...

As for the intended purpose of the default, I beg to differ as to why it happened as it has become painfully obvious AA had little to no defense and at the time even with his exaggerated stories of ownership probably could not secure a freebie legal team to take on the case... In the end I believe he was just buying time or hoping LFL would be happy with just a US win and leave him alone figuring it too much trouble to pursue his International status... A simple bluff by AA that was called by LFL...

From the UK court case and what we now know it wasn't about some legit UK legal Copyright ownership loophole AA was going for, as he knew full well he was not telling the truth, he had dug himself so deep into a lie he had nothing to lose...

Delay the inevitable and enjoy the ill-gotten gains as long as you can before you get busted... It's a cliché story...

In fact the whole AA/SDS story is simply a cliché, con man 101 story... It was played out from start to finish right out of a con man how to manual...
 
The threads I am talking about was the first show off threads when the helmets were first purchased. They don't seem to exist anymore.

Yeah, I believe many of those were lost along the way with forum software switches or purges...
 
One opinion, I never said it wouldn't go to the UK, in fact I said many times it would go to the UK to get enforced, and AA would have his day in UK courts to argue the judgment... His UK counter suit escalated the situation making it a full fledged case...

As for the intended purpose of the default, I beg to differ as to why it happened as it has become painfully obvious AA had little to no defense and at the time even with his exaggerated stories of ownership probably could not secure a freebie legal team to take on the case... In the end I believe he was just buying time or hoping LFL would be happy with just a US win and leave him alone figuring it too much trouble to pursue his International status... A simple bluff by AA that was called by LFL...

From the UK court case and what we now know it wasn't about some legit UK legal Copyright ownership loophole AA was going for, as he knew full well he was not telling the truth, he had dug himself so deep into a lie he had nothing to lose...

Delay the inevitable and enjoy the ill-gotten gains as long as you can before you get busted... It's a cliché story...

In fact the whole AA/SDS story is simply a cliché, con man 101 story... It was played out from start to finish right out of a con man how to manual...

I was told AA defaulted in the States because he couldn't afford a lawyer.
I think the last thing AA wanted was for the case to go to the UK - he must have known LFL had evidence to back up their claim.
Maybe he was hoping he was the only one that knew about Liz Moore.
Guilty or innocent, we'll never know why he ignored the Cease and desist order.
 
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