AA case begins

[exoray]

Considering that the stormtrooper head design is based on a 1960's battery operated robot toy

Sorry the image you posted is a bootleg toy produced in the late 70's after the release of SW...

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=51114

 

[lonepigeon]

Considering that the stormtrooper head design is based on a 1960's battery operated robot toy (as is the face detail of See-Threepio), Lucasfilm doesn't really have any sort of moral high-ground. George's people need to "vet" their design work a little better. Back in 1976, eveybody was stealing from everybody and that's just how a lot of the "underground" sci-fi was art generated. But then again NOW they do. Every design generated within the walls of the Ranch belongs solely to George. Lucasfilm "buys" your talent from you while you're in their employ.

-Gordon

Those toys are from the 70's. Obviously they are copied FROM Star Wars not the other way around.

BTW - That's how EVERY company is with their employees. The employer owns the art you create while you're there. That's what they hire you for.

 

[JoeR]

Artist sketch from the High Court.

 

[ArtisanProps]

Do you think it is really ? i'm not so sure i don't think it's clearcut at all the final suit is clearly not a simple 3D rendition of the 2D artwork.
Keep in mind that using McQuarries art as a guideline or inspiration does not make him guilty of IP theft it just means he used the art to develop his own design and he obviously did have permission at that time to create that design.
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If I were the deciding Judge I would have to take into account that he
couldn't have come up with that design any other way.. Yes!! I would rule in
favor of Lucas. The design is too close to the sketches to call it his own..
if it were not, Lucas wouldn't have used them in the film..

Giving him permission to make the Costumes back then, sure doesn't give him
the right or permission to make them today, but I'm sure their not baseing
the whole case on this.. That's why I think they brought so many other
issues to the table. They are determined to bring him down in a hard way, and
I believe it will happen, but not to the extent they think..

 

[AnsonJames]

They are determined to bring him down in a hard way, and
I believe it will happen, but not to the extent they think..

Personally I reckon they're going to nail his bollocks to the wall.

 

[defstartrooper]

If I were the deciding Judge I would have to take into account that he
couldn't have come up with that design any other way.. Yes!! I would rule in
favor of Lucas. The design is too close to the sketches to call it his own..
if it were not, Lucas wouldn't have used them in the film..

Giving him permission to make the Costumes back then, sure doesn't give him
the right or permission to make them today, but I'm sure their not baseing
the whole case on this.. That's why I think they brought so many other
issues to the table. They are determined to bring him down in a hard way, and
I believe it will happen, but not to the extent they think..

Sorry but from a legal standpoint it doesn't matter where AA got the idea or inspiration of the design from all that matters is if the court decides his design deviates enough from the artwork to be called his own.
As i've said before i'm not sure what their criteria will be to make a judgement one way or the other.

 

[AnsonJames]

We shall see very soon.

 

[defstartrooper]

Brian Muir sculpted the ENTIRE armour.

When did he say that ? he's certainly not said anything while this case has been in progress and was pretty vague about exactly what he did prior to the hearing.
Are there any photo's or documents backing that up ? i'm not doubting he did the work i'm just wondering if there's evidence of it being declared in court ?

 

[AnsonJames]

When did he say that ? he's certainly not said anything while this case has been in progress and was pretty vague about exactly what he did prior to the hearing.
Are there any photo's or documents backing that up ? i'm not doubting he did the work i'm just wondering if there's evidence of it being declared in court ?

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[JoeR]

Brian has just posted a picture of the original Stormtrooper sculpt over at the Den....

 

[Clutch]

Artist sketch from the High Court.

Is this for real? If so it is awfully funny. lol!

 

[defstartrooper]

Are there any photos to back up Brian Muirs comments?:wacko

I would say he declared that fact in court - he was called to give evidence after all, it's common knowledge that Brian Muir sculpted the armour.

Apparently Mr Muir was quite pissed off that AA claimed to have anything to do with the armour except for the vac forming.

I never said he didn't did i ? i just pointed out that he never stated he sculpted the ENTIRE armour prior to this case or that it was the same as seen on screen :rolleyes

Brian has just posted a picture of the original Stormtrooper sculpt over at the Den....

Thanks i'll go look now :thumbsup

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

After reading the thread there, it seems like someone at Elstree did the sculpting of the helmets. There are two clay sculpts in that photo, one is the dolled up McQuarrie type helmet and the other is close to the trooper we have today.

 

[JoeR]

After reading the thread there, it seems like someone at Elstree did the sculpting of the helmets. There are two clay sculpts in that photo, one is the dolled up McQuarrie type helmet and the other is close to the trooper we have today.

Brian stated:

It arrived at the studio around mid February. As I've always stated it was not sculpted at Elstree.

Joe

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Brian stated:



Joe

I should have read slower!

 

[AnsonJames]

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[Clutch]

AA:

 

[defstartrooper]

It's been common knowledge that Brian Muir sculpted the armour for a good while.
I'd imagine Brian only decided to state he sculpted the armour after AA started to lie through his teeth.

Now looks like AA didn't sculpt the helmet either - what a shocker, eh?

Yeah i know Brian said some time ago he worked on the armour, he said exactly that he did some sculpting on the armour, he never said he sculpted the entire suit though or whether his sculpt was changed later by AA.
Just trying to keep to the facts of the matter rather than the usual AA hating we all know nobody likes him by now i'm just interested in the case.

Either way he still hasn't stated any detail on what he sculpted or if it was later changed in any way but like i said earlier i believed his testimony about what he did would most likely be LFL's strongest hand.

Who sculpted that helmet then does anybody know ?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Yeah i know Brian said some time ago he worked on the armour, he said exactly that he did some sculpting on the armour, he never said he sculpted the entire suit though or whether his sculpt was changed later by AA.
Just trying to keep to the facts of the matter rather than the usual AA hating we all know nobody likes him by now i'm just interested in the case.

Either way he still hasn't stated any detail on what he sculpted or if it was later changed in any way but like i said earlier i believed his testimony about what he did would most likely be LFL's strongest hand.

Who sculpted that helmet then does anybody know ?

Well, one thing we DO know is that it wasn't Ainsworth.

 

[atacpdx]

According to testimony and as per Brian, Liz Moore sculpted the helmet at a studio off-site and returned it to Elstree. There is a photo of that sculpt over at Prop Den.