AA case begins

[Lord Abaddon]

So what's the going rate for an AA helmet now? lol!

Actually they could go up. Even if he didn't sculpt it, he did work on the manufacture of them and is the only "hands on" person to ever make props for the public from Star Wars. Since this case will shut him down and what he made is it and only it that makes them rare, special, and likely more desirable to many.

The market will certainly tell after awhile.

 

[TK765]

Well surprise, surprise....well not to many of us that knew he didn't sculpt it and was lying about everything all along.

He kept changing the story when we busted him on the inaccurate helmet, the stand and the armor, so it stands to reason he would trip himself up in court.

Now after all, do you AA supporters still believe he has the original molds or are you going to hang onto that last lie till the bitter end.:rolleyes

Still waiting for all the AA supporters capitulation. :lol

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Well surprise, surprise....well not to many of us that knew he didn't sculpt it and was lying about everything all along.

He kept changing the story when we busted him on the inaccurate helmet, the stand and the armor, so it stands to reason he would trip himself up in court.

Now after all, do you AA supporters still believe he has the original molds or are you going to hang onto that last lie till the bitter end.:rolleyes

Still waiting for all the AA supporters capitulation. :lol

Again, let's be fair and wait for the gavel to fall. The picture was damning, for certain, but to be fair to his supporters, the case is not officially over.

 

[defstartrooper]

This sculpt of Liz Moores is a major revalation and pretty obviously the basis for the helmets AA made i can't see how he can argue against that, i don't believe the McQuarrie artwork would have stood up on it's own as enough to find him guilty it's too far off the final design i think.
I'd love to see the armour Brian sculpted too if any photos exist of that.

Looks like all remains now is how much flesh the judge is gunna let Lucas have.

 

[Knightjar]

Artist sketch from the High Court.

Is this for real? If so it is awfully funny. lol!

The likeness of AA is excellent, but I notice a couple of discrepancies on the helmets...

In the UK, photography is not allowed in courtrooms, and I believe artists are not allowed to sketch while the court is in session, so this type of picture has to be done from memory. If it's not actual courtroom picture, it captures the style perfectly!

 

[rollerboi]

Again, let's be fair and wait for the gavel to fall. The picture was damning, for certain, but to be fair to his supporters, the case is not officially over.

So even if he were to win this case on a technicality, would you guys still support someone who desecrated a dead woman's legacy in order to financially profit?

 

[micdavis]

First off, did AA ever say he sculpted the helmet? Or just altered what he was given to make it work.

Sorry these threads are full of so much BS that it's hard to tell what was actually said by who sometimes.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

So even if he were to win this case on a technicality, would you guys still support someone who desecrated a dead woman's legacy in order to financially profit?

Oh that is such a Karl Rove way to put it.

First off we don't know if AA even knew Liz Moore nor who the sculptor was. So far from what we know he worked through a third party who may or may not have had the sculpture to even show him. So he's not knowingly living off her work if that's the case.

Second, the only other way he could win that I can see is if Liz Moore did not sculpt it or create the 3D design and he did, in which case then he's not desecrating anyone. This is assuming Brian Muir and John Richardson have something wrong (big if).

Last, if he did know she did the work and died and did use her sculpture, then he should be guillotined. Or, more realistically, all his profits given to her family.

 

[SithLord]

Well surprise, surprise....well not to many of us that knew he didn't sculpt it and was lying about everything all along.

He kept changing the story when we busted him on the inaccurate helmet, the stand and the armor, so it stands to reason he would trip himself up in court.

Now after all, do you AA supporters still believe he has the original molds or are you going to hang onto that last lie till the bitter end.:rolleyes

Still waiting for all the AA supporters capitulation. :lol

Well we still don't know if he has the original molds...and how they were made...do we. We may never know as LFL will confiscate whatever he has and so there won't be a report. There's still a lot more that needs to come out of this case. What of the other helmets for example?

But for the record I am sorely disappointed that he lied to me about the helmet. But he had already lied to me long ago about the armor once I spoke to Mr. Muir about it. I was holding out on the helmet...just because there was no other account and it seemed sure that Liz Moore didn't sculpt it. But I wasn't the only one who believed that.

For all those who hated him from day one, there's a saying I read somewhere.... "innocent until proven guilty". But I guess here it's "guilty until proven guilty". To me it wasn't the case or that AA lied, to me it's the attitude of how people attacked him from day one just because he was making TK stuff. One of those attacking him even went so far as betray our own. I don't think that's something to be proud of and we should ask ourselves if the hobby will be better for it.

 

[SithLord]

Looks like all remains now is how much flesh the judge is gunna let Lucas have.

Their argument is reasonable that LFL is entitled to nowhere near $20 million.

 

[SithLord]

So even if he were to win this case on a technicality, would you guys still support someone who desecrated a dead woman's legacy in order to financially profit?

Of course not.

 

[SithLord]

First off, did AA ever say he sculpted the helmet? Or just altered what he was given to make it work.

Sorry these threads are full of so much BS that it's hard to tell what was actually said by who sometimes.

The molds or "tools" as he calls them were what he created or designed. So yes he claimed he sculpted the helmet. He told me that part of the inspiration came from a zoo visit where he saw some bugs with large eyes....man-o-man.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

First off, did AA ever say he sculpted the helmet? Or just altered what he was given to make it work.

Sorry these threads are full of so much BS that it's hard to tell what was actually said by who sometimes.

Yes he did say that he sculpted the helmet. When I found out about 6 months ago that he didnt (and saw clear evidence to the contrary including the photo thats been posted) I was extremely angry since it proved yet again that he had lied.

However this case is more than about who sculpted the stormtrooper helmet - since he may be able to prove that the changes he did to the clay sculpt, including potentially the addition of ears, brow trim, vocoder, eye changes and frown constitute some form of copyright. Plus of course there's the other helmets, X-Wing, TIE, RFT etc.

But given that he's exposed himself as a liar to the court I think its a very tough call for him to win anything in which case he's in very deep trouble. However this has always been his choice of action - Brian Muir has even said that he's lied to his own legal team! :wacko

I think these points about "descecrating a dead womans legacy" are a bit melodramatic. I doubt if he any idea who sculpted the helmets - however he did know that he didnt do it himself. Before we all start lighting our torches are we suggesting that anyone who supported any maker of replica helmets should be ashamed - or just those who supported AA?

Cheers

Jez

 

[SithLord]

First off we don't know if AA even knew Liz Moore nor who the sculptor was. So far from what we know he worked through a third party who may or may not have had the sculpture to even show him. So he's not knowingly living off her work if that's the case.

I doubt he knew Liz Moore back then. But I believe his defense deals with not having seen the clay sculpture. But I don't see now how that is possible....I really don't...it's too similar. He must have had access to that clay sculpture or to molds taken from it, more likely molds from the plaster shop, made a positive and then made "tools" from that positive.

 

[defstartrooper]

So even if he were to win this case on a technicality, would you guys still support someone who desecrated a dead woman's legacy in order to financially profit?

No neither would i support those that encouraged him to do so in the first place then turned to the other side for financial profit when they realised they were gunna get nothing from him.

 

[AnsonJames]

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[AnsonJames]

Before we all start lighting our torches are we suggesting that anyone who supported any maker of replica helmets should be ashamed - or just those who supported AA?

Cheers

Jez

Only the deceitful replica helmet makers - there are a few of them though...

 

[SithLord]

I really hope AA was unaware of the fact Liz Moore sculpted the Trooper - I think he was fully aware.

He knew the original sculptor could never come forward, I guess he hoped all the pertinent facts had been lost in time.
I don't think he would have taken things this far if he thought the original artist was going to walk in to the court room and prove him to be a liar.

I'd also like to think everyone will avoid any secondhand SDS merchandise - it's tainted and inaccurate.

Well it doesn't change AA's contribution to making the helmets and armor, does it. The SDS merchandise is what it is and we still don't know about the molds...original? Probably he's lying too about that but I'd still like to know for sure. But I suppose us heretics should burn all our helmets and armor. :rolleyes What really is different about SDS merchandise than GF or TE or CRPROPS or FX?

How could AA know who sculpted the helmet when it was done offsite.

But I completely agree that he probably thought whomever did it was no longer around or would have come forward by this time.

 

[Studio Stasis]

I'm not certain of it, but I don't think anyone who has created replica helmets ever claimed to have sculpted the original, like he claimed. I'd have even been behind AA if he just had one movie casting lying around and made his molds from that, and sold his replicas underground in small numbers without ticking off LFL by claiming he had a right to do so.
Even LFL may have allowed him to operate on a small level because he wouldn't have made such a prime target of himself.
I wasn't sure if he claimed to have sculpted the suit as well but seeing his armor in person you can tell it was recast from a GF/AP or TE or something similar. You can clearly see Gerardos parts on it that weren't even screen accurate to begin with. I just don't know where the truth lies in all of it. The line is so blurred that everything seems like half truths.
I don't feel vindicated if AA loses as a result of this testimony, I just wish he had been truthful from the start. I've been lied to by other replica prop makers (even friends) and you get tired of it after a while.

 

[rollerboi]

I don't feel vindicated if AA loses as a result of this testimony, I just wish he had been truthful from the start. I've been lied to by other replica prop makers (even friends) and you get tired of it after a while.

Agreed. It's sad, but in a case like this, nobody wins. :/