1/72 y-wing

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  1. astroboy

    astroboy Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I have to say....I find this hobby very intimidating.
    And I'm a beginner

    If I hadn't stumbled upon resin illuminati two years ago, I would still be satisfied with toys and action figures

    I've been working on a fine molds falcon for about a year and am now too scared to continue. So I'm taking a breather on it to do a y-wing as an excersize. Mostly in weathering. I'm not worrying about accurization at all here. I didn't even fill the seams. This is about paint and decals.

    Basically, I primed it and then did a grimy/rusty wash all over the thing. Then I used maskol in some places and salt in others before a base coat. For a base coat I went with white and just a hint of deck tan. My goal is to use weathering to get it to the browns that it should be

    Tomorrow I'm goint to make a few darker panels and some other bits off colour to make them seem like replacement parts.

    The question I have is...when do I do the decals? I'd like to do an oil wash as well here. Will the decals survive the weathering over top?

    I'm using acrylic. will I need a sealent? What about pastels?

    I'm very comfortable with paint, but the mixed medium thing throws me off
     
  2. Jeeves

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    Nice work so far! Re decals, my experience is that the thinner that you chose for the oil wash has the potential to be "hot" and eat your decals. I used "Grumtine" and it did munch my decals. In order to be safe(r), clear coat with Future and let dry for a while, and use the mildest thinner you can find for the oils. My experience, anyway - ymmv!

    R
     
  3. astroboy

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    thanks! How do I know how "hot" a thinner is?

    So I'm thinking the order of things will be:

    prime
    grime wash
    maskol/salt
    basecoat
    airbrushed dark panels/ engine stripes
    decals (cowl stripes)
    crushed pastels
    sealent (future or other?)
    oils washes


    thoughts?
     
  4. youngwm

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    I am working on the same model and using new to me methods. Ironically I am at the same point sort of as I have not used any salts. I have mine primed (grey model master), I was going to now use two or three different colors on the seems and body of the ship. Flat black, tan, and some draub or other green. I then plan to coat lightly with a light grey and make markings (chip marks) using a paint remover and something to scratch with.
    For the larger markings I am going to paint, the stripes and yellow on the hood. FM calls for intermediate blue on top of cockpit and I find that it should be more grey with a little blue. I then plan to use what stickers are left that I did not paint my self and use MM decal set and weather with indian ink, dry brush, and pastels. Then spray a small amount of sealent.
    Not sure what you are using as a ref if you would like I could post a picture from the book, "sculpting a galaxy" its a huge image of the y-wing unlike anything I fould on-line as far as a ref.
    I also am new to model building and this is the first that I have put fiber optics in a model. I have two red led for the engines, and one white one blue for the cockpit. I used heat shrink for the first time and had a real learning experience with drilling glueing and installing the fiber.

    After I finished priming the entire thing the light on my home made paint box fell and the top guns broke off. :lol I will fix tonight.
    I hope the MM decal set will hold up for the weathering I then may try to use the future for a finish before using the ink and pastels.

    My falcon is waiting in the box have you really been working persistently on yours for a year I was hoping to have mine finished by Oct of this year..

    Would like to see more pics and I hope to wrap mine up this week.

    Mike
     
  5. astroboy

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    Great to have company!

    I haven't been working on the falcon very consistently. Like I said, I get scared, and I back off.

    I also am not trying to make any specific y-wing. Although I have lots of reference books, I'm not really gonna use them. This is gonna be an older y-wing that would have been sold on the black market or something. It's in bad shape. The front cowl is the only place I'll be using the decals. Mostly as practice. But the rest will all be masked and airbrushed.

    And I'm not gonna bother lighting it

    Post pics of your work!
     
  6. Underdog

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    Since this thread was started in2010 and it's 2012. I don't think anyone cares/
     
  7. jedimaster

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    Actually it was started yesterday , he joined in 2010
     
  8. astroboy

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    burn......
     
  9. ozzyguanche

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    Over 100 views already, people care!

    Nice work astroboy. I find painting intimidating as well. I have never actualy finished anything through to the painting stage. Fear of messing it up. I would be happy with the progress you have made. Always looking forward to seeing another Falcon build as well.

    Ozzy
     
  10. jedimaster

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    Yeah , keep it comming astroboy.... Don't worry , some people CAN'T READ. Great job so far.
     
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  11. Ray22

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    LMAO! I saw that, I was always told if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say anything, some people need to get the facts first before they open their YAPPERS!
     
  12. jedimaster

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    Yeah.... Or just read the ****ing DATE. I'm with ya Ray.
     
  13. astroboy

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    This is one of those great forus where flaming/trolling don't make sense. This place isn't about the laughs as it is about the ships.....
     
  14. astroboy

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    another couple of pics. coloured a couple panels and I added the two engine stripes
     
  15. youngwm

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    OK, I was not going to post any pics or really put anything on this build on the site but I will. I have not air-brushed something so deatailed where I will be masking and working with something so tedious. I will have pictures up soon. I wanted to work on it last night but did not. Sometimes I have to commit a few hours when I want to use my airbrush cause of all the cleaning involved after. Anyways, what you have done looks great my build is currently a solid grey primer. I will post the picture from the book I have even though you are not going for particulars its such a great pic of the actual model.

    I hope all the lights still work, where the cockpit meets the ship I used superglue to finally put these two parts together. I hope none of the glue touched the small strands of fiber cause they break easy with heat..

    Good luck!!!, I will post some pics real soon but as I for-mentioned I just have a solid coat of grey primer.. I will post pics as I progress..
     
  16. Ray22

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    If your refering to me as trolling you got it all wrong I was looking at your build and yes found it funny because one member stated that this thread was started in 2010 which I know it wasn't and he said no one cared about your thread. I didn't come in here talking crap about your thread I was actually supporting it, and the build and paint looks good so far if you want weathering tps on the Y-wing check out Jason Eatons Y-Wing thread he's good.
     
  17. astroboy

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    I wasn't talking about you.......

    I was referring to the other guy.
     
  18. Jeeves

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    Astroboy -

    Sorry, I can't answer your question about less "hot" oil paint thinners, but perhaps someone else here might be able to do it. (I'd be interested to hear what others use). I tried the "grumtine" from the art store because it was billed as a less toxic citrus-based substitute for turpentine. It ate the decals like candy...but to be fair, they weren't thick commercial-grade decals, they were finer garage kit decals that were probably laser or jet-printed. Fine molds decals might be a little more durable, but I'd still clear-coat to make sure.

    Regarding painting in general, I tend to follow a trial and error process. You start out with a plan, and then when it starts to go south, you stop, fix, redo, etc. What I find is that the more layers you put down, the more depth the finished product has. You end up with effects that you didn't intend, but look great. The real trick for me is stepping back, letting it sit, and then coming back to it with fresh eyes. I have great respect for those modelers who can replicate a studio ship down to the last scratch. I don't have the patience or skills - I never get there, but I think I do pretty well as far capturing the "feel" of the piece.

    As far as a logical set painting steps as a guideline (not a rule) here's one crack at it. Please note this is a general set of guidelines, and not geared towards the Y-wing. Also, I never do all of this, I mix and match depending on what I need:

    Prime
    sometimes pre-shading at this stage
    Basecoat(s) (acryl)
    future seal to avoid decal silvering
    decals
    Future seal
    Oil wash plus 3-4 days to dry
    Lacquer seal (semi or dull) let cure
    Oil based filters or selective tones
    Drybrushing for highlights
    pastels (wet or dry)
    final seal (or sometimes not, if I feel it'll jack up the pastels)

    Of course, this'll all change depending on whether you have chipping or painted details, masking, metallics, or different gloss finishes.

    Hope this is of some use!
    -Raj
     
  19. astroboy

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    okay...this is officially on it's way to being sold at mos eisly

    Did some oil wash stuff. Used odourless turpenoid. I'll wait a couple of days, seal it, and then add some decals
     
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  20. astroboy

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    some more...
     
  21. youngwm

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    Hey you are moving right along.. Great job!!, the paint looks right on.. Like the colors don't look real bright and then weatherd over like I have seen on some of the FM y-wings.
    Well I took some pictures of my build my plan is to work up to a light grey having these others colors adding some depth to the model. I will then need to mask and paint the stripes. Then weather with Inidan ink and pastels.. I will also remove paint for the chipping effect.. When finished I will maybe put some more pictures on... Here is where I am at the moment on this build.
    Your Y-wing looks really great I hope mine turns out ok and I have learned a lot on this build as everyone I put behind my belt. I also find this hobby fascinating. You will have to get back to work on that falcon.

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  22. ozzyguanche

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    Guys these are looking really good. Astroboy, are you/or have you used the same process on the falcon? I have not been over to SSM for a few days, you got pics up?

    I believe there is as much skill in the painting as in the building,

    ozzy
     
  23. ZOMBIEREPELLENT

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    Make no mistake, we all love to laugh. Just not at others expense.

    This is looking really good so far, I can't wait to see it done.
     
  24. jedimaster

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    What he said..... These are looking great. Looking forward to seeing them finished. I'm gonna be painting my two studio scale y's as soon as the weather gets better so am watching this with interest.

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  25. ZOMBIEREPELLENT

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    Sorry to derail.

    Jedi, is that trumpeters avenger kit in the background? I'd love to see more of it.
     
  26. jedimaster

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    It's the 1/16 flight 19 model. Can't think of who's it was. I'll check and pm ya some pix.
     
  27. astroboy

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    Oh Lord...

    The BIGGEST problem with this place is that inspires jealousy.

    Some day I will get a studio scale kit, and I'll totally start with a y-wing. That's a think of beauty
     
  28. ozzyguanche

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    Studio scale nerd!!!! LOL

     
  29. jedimaster

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    :cry:cry:cry:cry... TROLL!! ....:lol:lol:lol:behave
     
  30. Nwerke

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    Hey...that Panther...that's MINE that is! Gie us it back, ya bastich! :p

    Astroboy, your paint job is BEAUTIFUL. Really, really, really nice - great work.

    As for trolls (other than those immediately above, lol), try to ignore them. Looks like we have a small sockpuppet invasion going on in the modelling sections right now, so we can possibly expect a bit of disruption until they make themselves obvious enough to qualify for a ban.
     
  31. astroboy

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    Thanks a lot! I think I'm going to attempt a decal today. That's my next challenge. Always hated decals.....
     
  32. jedimaster

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    You got that type 4 yet????
     
  33. Treadwell

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    This is a concern of mine. When does a clearcoat NOT jack up the pastels? Seems to me anything chalky will get soaked into the sealer, creating a cloudy area resting a micrometer above where you'd carefully applied it.
     
  34. ozzyguanche

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    Forgive the folish question, but when you guys say pastels, do you me common oil pastels? Or are there specialised ones. Because, Pastels always used to darken a few shades when fixitive was applied to any portraits I used to do. So one would have to take that into account while painting on canvas or paper. Is this a concern for these pastels on models?

    Looking better with every post guys, watching intently.

    Ozzy
     
  35. astroboy

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    I use chalk pastels. Grind em on to some sandpaper then apply it like you would powdered pigments

    As for an update, I applied the cowl decal today and it really looks great! I chipped it in all the right places and then tomorrow I'll try some more!

    Should I put a top coat on it at this point? I keep hearing about future. Is there something that's really thin? Tips?
     
  36. youngwm

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    Work and family has kept me from getting any modeling in.. I will be back at it this weekend. Yes, the pastels I use I bought at Michael's for less than 10 dollars. It's almost like chalk and came in a box of about 8 colors. I usually take an old knife and grind off a bit of dust then use an old brush and mix with a small amount of water and then apply. It gives a nice grime effect that does not look painted on.
    So Astroboy, as far as chipping the sticker and getting it to set correctly what did you experience? And also how do you get the pastels to stick?
    When I first started this build I attempted to use the sticker on the R2 round top. I used tweezers got it right where I wanted and applied some decal set and I could not get it to lay flat. I put some on got frustrated with figured I would let it set over night and it would stick with more decal set the next day, nope. I ended up painting which turned out great I don't mind tedious painting..

    If its cool astroboy I will maybe put some of my pic's on once I get more painting in..

    Again, good job I hope I can get the weatherd effect down and keep the colors dull and not bright looking just some good wear and tear on the old ship..
     
  37. astroboy

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    Pleaase..add pics!

    I simply brush on the pastels (and most of it blows awayafterward) and then I use a sealer finish.

    as far as the decals go, I just used lots of soapy water and then slid around until they were well placed. I haven't donee the R@ yet, so we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

    I know what you mean by too bright. I have so much pait chipping on the back that it's obnoxious. I'm going to try and bring it down near the end of the process
     
  38. Jeeves

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    Yes, the sealer will darken pastels, but sometimes, ends up looking OK - but there's only one way to find out, unfortunately! :) If it gets too dark, I fix it by drybrushing the section with the primary hull color and reappying pastels. At a minimum, you can get back to your original finish, but usually it looks BETTER, thanks to additional depth and detail afforded by the fix.

    Of course, if you like the way it looks without the sealer, and you know it'll be under plexiglass for most of its life...certainly consider skipping the final clearcoat.

    -Raj
     
  39. crackerjazz

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    Astroboy, Youngm - fantastic painting skills you both have. So ILM-like.
    Jedimaster - TWO y-wings!?? I'm sure I won't wake up the next morning if the wife finds out I bought even just one.
     
  40. astroboy

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    Thanks for the complements, guys!

    I'm REALLY stoked that this is turning out well. It is quite different than the ILM models. This one is in a lot rougher shape. I think I'll try to blend the back half a bit better when I get a sealant on it. Try to give it that smokey beige look. Right now there's too much contrast with all the paint chipping.

    Anyway...two regrets (that I remember a mere second after committing to glue)
    1. forgot to put a mounting nut inside on the bottom (I hate the stock fine molds stand)

    2. (this one's a biggy) I accidentally....swapped the hood decals. The top is on the bottom and vice-versa
     
  41. jedimaster

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    iI wouldn't worry too much about the decals as your not building any particular y anyway.

    @ CJ its only because i've sold off most of my lifesize , that my wife lets me get more ss models. There's a few biggies coming out this year and i needed to make room. You should see the amount of x-wings around here.
     
  42. astroboy

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    More pics!
     
  43. ozzyguanche

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    And you feel intimidated?

    Mate I dream of an outcome like that.(Actualy its sad but true, I do have dreams of painting my models LOL) Fantastic work.

    Ozzy
     
  44. astroboy

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    thanks a lot! I've spent a fair amount of time doing scenic art for theatre so I'm used to a lot of techniques. But I've never worked this small and I've never worked with mixed mediums. My experience is alway with latex paints and glazes.

    I was talking to a painter recently about wood graining. He said that there's no such thing as a bad layer. If you have some crazy colour, you might as well throw it in there. As long as you build it all up to the end product and it doesn't just mush together.

    The first model I completed was a 1/144 falcon and it looks like crap. I didn't have a plan at all and I made a lot of errors that were unfixeable. I hadn't done my research, either.

    This one is my practice for actually having a plan.

    And the for next one (1/72 falcon) I will work on control (something I lacked on this y-wing)
     
  45. ozzyguanche

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    Looking forward to the falcon!

    Ozzy
     
  46. IEDBOUNTYHUNTER

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    that came out great, bring on the falcon.
     
  47. jedimaster

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    Yes.....Control, control.......you must learn control..


    seriously , nice job mate. looking forward to the next one.
     
  48. Ray22

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    Nice job love it.
     
  49. Jedi Dade

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    I think it looks great. the decals are a little too clean though I really like it overall...

    I'll give you the same advice I give anyone who asks about painting and weathering... practice... and since I'm cheap so I like to practice on cheap things...


    I grap a 2 liter bottle, any scrap piece of plastic I can find (usually from the trash), and glue a few bits onto it form my greeblie scraps. I then kind of work up what I want it to look like, "pristine", chipped, rusted, paneled etc etc... and prime and paint away... you wind up with a lot of garbage... BUT here's the kicker - often you learn most whne you are trying to "fix something". I've found it to be invaluable... because you need to know how to fix soemthing that didn't come out the way you wanted on your several hundred dollar models... it will happen, to just about everyone. But I've found that practicing on scrap is kind of fun and inexpensive... and just as valuable for instruction purposes as a real kit.

    Just a thought.

    that being said your practice on the Y- came out pretty darn nice. get back to that Falcon!

    Jedi Dade
     
  50. astroboy

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    Thanks! I actually have a piece of MDF with styrene panels glued on to it for that very purpose!
     

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