Probably a static build would hold up, but put in those motors and gearbox for the nacelles it's gonna get heavy.
1/350 TOS E is happening.
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Proper
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Exactly. A metal armature is a must and SHOULD be included in such a large kit. But they won't do it. Instead, they will spend countless hours trying to figure out how to avoid twist and sag. Well, without a metal armature it will twist and sag. Sooner or later.
fraley1701
Active Member
I agree with Tracy and this has been brought up on some of the other boards. There is a copyright notice at the bottom of every news letter and some 1701 club members have been contacted by Round 2 regarding similar infractions.
"™ & © 2011 CBS Studios Inc. All Rights Reserved. STAR TREK and related marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc.
Redistribution of the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. ©2011 Round 2, LLC "
What are they going to do? Take his t-shirt back? Besides, don't you want to watch the progress?
fraley1701
Active Member
Actually if Tracy is a 1701 club member, he gets the news letter and thus gets to see the progress. I think the point is, however, that Round 2 specifically requested that 1701 Club Members do not re post the material presented in the news letter. It is copyrighted material. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems that honoring Round 2's request is the ethical thing to do. Join the club if you want to see the updates. That is all I am saying about this. :thumbsup
If you just put in "1701Club updates" into google they are public.
Commander Max
Sr Member
Is there any way we can ask them to increase the font sizes on their posts?
Update #2 I didn't bother with, I couldn't read the text in the images.
They must be using some big monitors over there.
Update #2 I didn't bother with, I couldn't read the text in the images.
They must be using some big monitors over there.
TheWhiteGrail
Active Member
Man I am looking forward to this kit for than ever now!!
The bridge part looks damn fine! Although I did notice a mistake with the bridge insert design, they have to many overhead workstation sections. The overhead sections are not split up in the same manner as the desktops.
http://www.round2models.com/1701club/updates/0002/
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar/USS-Enterprise-NCC-1701-Bridge.jpg
As you can see in that link, the sections that have all the trippy pictures spread across two sections of desktop space. The R2 piece seems to have the overhead spaces separated in the same manner as the lower sections. Yeah, I know it's still early days..
EDIT: actually now that I look at the second model update more closely; it looks as though those over head sections are not shown because of the angel of the picture... what do you guys think?
The bridge part looks damn fine! Although I did notice a mistake with the bridge insert design, they have to many overhead workstation sections. The overhead sections are not split up in the same manner as the desktops.
http://www.round2models.com/1701club/updates/0002/
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar/USS-Enterprise-NCC-1701-Bridge.jpg
As you can see in that link, the sections that have all the trippy pictures spread across two sections of desktop space. The R2 piece seems to have the overhead spaces separated in the same manner as the lower sections. Yeah, I know it's still early days..
EDIT: actually now that I look at the second model update more closely; it looks as though those over head sections are not shown because of the angel of the picture... what do you guys think?
SD Studios
Well-Known Member
I am having a good time reading these (despite the micro font they like to use). I have a deluxe kit on-order and plan to make the second-pilot version to display next to my MR replica. Yaaaah!
The twisting and sagging of the struts is a problem we encountered at both Unobtainium and MR. (Except at Unobtainium, my astute partners chose to ignore the problem...reason #35 why I left early-on). We all got to see what happened as a result.
So, at MR I made SURE we addressed it properly. Remember, the MR replica WAS a styrene and ABS plastic model kit...except that the only people who got to build it were the Chinese model-makers. :lol
And we were able to use a polycarbonate skeleton and use diecast metal for the struts.
But because this is a plastic-only model kit, they can't do all of that, so they have "a tough road to hoe..."
I agree with the posts here...DEFINITELY add some brass bar stock in the struts for reinforcement. And where the neck meets the primary hull. That is a huge cantilever and a major weak-spot in the design.
Its funny how completely different companies all hit these same problems with the same design and have to reinvent the same wheel over and over...
"It's the circle of liiiife..."
btw: I got a RED shirt. Of all colors :confused Did everyone get a red shirt? I thought there were some blue?
The twisting and sagging of the struts is a problem we encountered at both Unobtainium and MR. (Except at Unobtainium, my astute partners chose to ignore the problem...reason #35 why I left early-on). We all got to see what happened as a result.
So, at MR I made SURE we addressed it properly. Remember, the MR replica WAS a styrene and ABS plastic model kit...except that the only people who got to build it were the Chinese model-makers. :lol
And we were able to use a polycarbonate skeleton and use diecast metal for the struts.
But because this is a plastic-only model kit, they can't do all of that, so they have "a tough road to hoe..."
I agree with the posts here...DEFINITELY add some brass bar stock in the struts for reinforcement. And where the neck meets the primary hull. That is a huge cantilever and a major weak-spot in the design.
Its funny how completely different companies all hit these same problems with the same design and have to reinvent the same wheel over and over...
"It's the circle of liiiife..."
btw: I got a RED shirt. Of all colors :confused Did everyone get a red shirt? I thought there were some blue?
JMChladek
Sr Member
I have gold as well.
I think styrene only struts can be engineered well enough to keep from sagging. It will be a challenge to be certain, but the key as I see it will lie with how stiff the plastic is and how much is used in the warp nacelles. If it is too flexible, it will do all sorts of things (and if seams on the pylons and the spine section split open, the problem becomes more apparent).
Since the test mockup is resin AND designed to be disassembled, the problems are amplified. I sure as heck wouldn't do a kit from that stuff.
I think styrene only struts can be engineered well enough to keep from sagging. It will be a challenge to be certain, but the key as I see it will lie with how stiff the plastic is and how much is used in the warp nacelles. If it is too flexible, it will do all sorts of things (and if seams on the pylons and the spine section split open, the problem becomes more apparent).
Since the test mockup is resin AND designed to be disassembled, the problems are amplified. I sure as heck wouldn't do a kit from that stuff.
robn1
Master Member
If you're referring to this pic http://www.round2models.com/1701club/updates/0002/update0002-13.jpg
it doesn't show the overhang with the big screens. Just the "desktop" and the row of small screens.
Their public now because people have posted them on the forums.
A google search is direct to the round2 site..
www.round2models.com/1701club/updates/0003/
In the future I'll only post the above home domain link, 004 ought to be next, the first one I posted was not the same as in my email and was some odd domain, whether they both came up at the same time or not I don't know, but the above came up pretty fast.
Guess I shouldn't divulge the secret handshake though.
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Proper
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Realistically, I don't see how this is possible. Styrene pylons are simply not sturdy enough. Even if everything looks straight and level in the beginning, father gravity will sooner or later take his toll. Especially with motors and electronics in the nacelles, as someone else noted.
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falcondesigns
Well-Known Member
If you leave a small center channel for wires and honeycomb the rest of the interior structure,that should solve the bowing and twisting.
Proper
Well-Known Member
I don't see that. Without measuring, the cross section of the pylon is only about 3/8 inch. But why take such a chance when a simple metal armature would solve the problem?
