The new 007

[Bloop]

When did it say it was his father’s car, when in Casino Royale he won it in a poker game at a hotel?

I'm referring to the old DB5 Aston Martin he takes out of storage in 'Skyfall," not the new Aston Martin from 'Casino Royale." I thought there was a line about it being his father's car, but maybe I'm conflating it with his father's hunting rifle.

 

[Wakeem]

The Bond franchise started to become a major continuity mess around Goldeneye. If not, The Living Daylights although I like that one. And in many ways License to Kill is the final James Bond movie with the old producers. But it was never really about continuity like modern big franchises of today. I read somewhere that they wanted to do a true reboot with The Living Daylights. And of course, Goldeneye should have been a true reboot but that was just a de-aged version of the same character.

Yes, Pierce Brosnan like every actor before him is playing the same James Bond character. It's just the actors take on him. I also thought many got the reference in Skyfall with the actual graves of Bond's parents that James Bond isn't a code name given by MI6. But of course Skyfall also gave us that DB5 scene with M and the ejector seat. Which was supposed to be Connery's DB5 not the one won in the Casino Royale card game. At least, I remember the commentary saying that.

The Daniel Craig movies are a mess to me because instead of creating new history with a new reboot James Bond, it's like an Alternate Universe James Bond that has weird or twisted things from the previous Universe popping in like instead of a gold painted girl they had an oil painted girl.

I don't think the James Bond series will ever be as good as the series that ended with License to Kill. Maybe if the Bond producers hired Nolan but he wants too much control. So I would be shocked if that happens.

 

[VanPersie]

I'm referring to the old DB5 Aston Martin he takes out of storage in 'Skyfall," not the new Aston Martin from 'Casino Royale." I thought there was a line about it being his father's car, but maybe I'm conflating it with his father's hunting rifle.

No there’s no line about it being his father’s. M makes a comment about it being hardly a stealthy option.

The shotgun was definitely mentioned as his father’s

 

[Lightning]

At first I thought the car from Casino Royale had been outfitted with gadgets for offscreen adventures, (the Craig version of Goldfinger etc). But the steering wheel is on the wrong side, so they have to be different cars.

 

[sbaxter]

A lot of these actors (*cough* HEMSWORTH *cough*) get steroid help for those transformations. The speed tends to be the giveaway. Their biggest size might never exceed what could be done naturally, but it's unnatural to gain/lose so much size in a few months. Especially for guys in their 30s-40s who are well past their natural peak hormone levels.

I mean, it makes sense. They aren't competing in a sport so there isn't a serious moral issue. They are just getting paid to look a certain way for a short time. They don't have the long prep time that's necessary. Going from skinny-nerd to visibly muscular takes literally years without drug help.

In the last 10 months or so -- at age 55 -- I have started doing some weight-lifting. Back in my twenties, I did a very small amount of that using Nautilus machines at a local health club, but I had no real idea how to do it in a beneficial way and I didn't do it often enough, anyway. Recently, though, I bought a set of dumbbells and extra plates. I know myself well enough now to understand that I needed something I could keep nearby and reach easily -- something I could use from my couch (I have no room for a weight bench). I have a neuropathy (Charcot Marie Tooth disease) that is at its worst in my right foot, so I needed something I could do without having to stand. I started with 10 pounds, doing five sets of 20 reps per day, alternating working on my triceps one day and biceps the next. My neuropathy is present in my hands, to the point that I very quickly switched to doing hammer curls instead of concentration curls, but a couple of months ago, I added concentration curls back into the mix. Currently, I am doing hammer curls (as well as the triceps lifts) at 60 pounds and concentration curls at 20 pounds -- it is amazing how much harder the concentration curls are for me to do, even though it appears the hammer curls work more muscles and lead to more visible results.

Anyway, yes -- it takes a lot of work to get marked visible results. I'm not doing insanely intensive workouts like an actor might. I can see some visible results -- and my wife can as well -- but all things being equal, I would have guessed/hoped that getting to 60 pounds would have meant I could see significantly more; after all, I'm lifting a cumulative total of 12,000 pounds (16,000 on my biceps days) per day, with each arm taking half of the load. Even so, I'm intentionally not going super intense for several reasons, one being a lack of time, but also because I'm mindful that starting this in my mid-50s does put me at greater risk of injury than I would have faced 30 years ago, and I would hate to hurt myself and have to stop for a long period of time to heal, thus possibly giving up any gains I have made.

Anyway … I digress …

SSB

 

[Bloop]

As far as getting noticeable size when trying to put on muscle, I believe it's heavily tied to diet. You can't add size without adding a lot of calories to your diet.
Those Hollywood actors definitely have nutritionists and personal trainers aiding in their quest for super-heroic physiques, so I wouldn't say they all use steroids to get their respective results. The right types of food and supplements in the right quantities combined with the right types of weight and cardio training can achieve relatively fast results, especially if that's basically your job - to look like a superhero - so they have a lot more time and resources to devote to it.
Personally, I noticed significant results in my own physique when I took a job as a delivery person. It wasn't the right way to do it, because I was basically doing hours of weight lifting, running & climbing every day, which wrecks your muscles and joints because they don't have time to recover. It's easy to forget that when you do strength training, you're tearing your muscles and the rebuilding process is what makes them bigger and stronger. I didn't really change my diet, so I ended up losing fat while still gaining muscle. The result is that I got more "cut," losing fat that I didn't know I had to lose, over the course of just a few months (I lost around 20 lbs even though I was pretty thin to begin with). But it also took a toll my back and joints. Again, I could've adjusted my diet more to help - even though I wasn't consciously trying to gain mass, I could've added more protein to my meals to help with muscle recovery. I should've iced my back and joints more than I did as well. Anyway, my two cents in the subject.

 

[VanPersie]

At first I thought the car from Casino Royale had been outfitted with gadgets for offscreen adventures, (the Craig version of Goldfinger etc). But the steering wheel is on the wrong side, so they have to be different cars.

Could easily have been reconfigured back to the correct, I mean right hand side , when Q branch fitted it with the ejector seat etc.

 

[Wakeem]

I think I read from Arnold or another professional bodybuilder that diet is surprisingly like 50% or more when you are building muscle. Especially when you want to start going into the 15% or lower body fat.

Could easily have been reconfigured back to the correct, I mean right hand side , when Q branch fitted it with the ejector seat etc.

Another thing in Skyfall that says that the DB5 isn't the Casino Royale one is Q's joke line about bringing the car back after it gets destroyed. That it's MI6's car not Bond's personal car. Which is a shame since in the books Bond modifies his personal Bentley.

 

[batguy]

I think I read from Arnold or another professional bodybuilder that diet is surprisingly like 50% or more when you are building muscle. Especially when you want to start going into the 15% or lower body fat.

It's hard to know what diet info to trust from pro bodybuilder types. Their bodied have different needs because of their extreme conditions in general (both drugs and muscle mass). And they tend to give advice with other priorities - downplaying how much they are augmented by drugs, steering impressionable teenage fans away from drugs, etc.


Diet is critical (for anybody) when you try to get really cut/lean. Having fun eating/drinking but still maintaining chiseled ripped abs . . . that's a fantasy. At least when you are older than HS/college and you aren't doing manual labor for 10 hours a day.

If you just wanna get bigger muscle mass then diet is less critical. That just takes a decent healthy diet + a bit more protein than normal.

The bodybuilder/actor types get crazy and eat protein by the ton. That's not really necessary for normies. They do that because they are building muscle unnaturally quickly, because they are on steroids.

 

[batguy]

In the last 10 months or so -- at age 55 -- I have started doing some weight-lifting. Back in my twenties, I did a very small amount of that using Nautilus machines at a local health club, but I had no real idea how to do it in a beneficial way and I didn't do it often enough, anyway. Recently, though, I bought a set of dumbbells and extra plates. I know myself well enough now to understand that I needed something I could keep nearby and reach easily -- something I could use from my couch (I have no room for a weight bench). I have a neuropathy (Charcot Marie Tooth disease) that is at its worst in my right foot, so I needed something I could do without having to stand. I started with 10 pounds, doing five sets of 20 reps per day, alternating working on my triceps one day and biceps the next. My neuropathy is present in my hands, to the point that I very quickly switched to doing hammer curls instead of concentration curls, but a couple of moths ago, I added concentration curls back into the mix. Currently, I am doing hammer curls (as well as the triceps lifts) at 60 pounds and concentration curls at 20 pounds -- it is amazing how much harder the concentration curls are for me to do, even though it appears the hammer curls work more muscles and lead to more visible results.

Anyway, yes -- it takes a lot of work to get marked visible results. I'm not doing insanely intensive workouts like an actor might. I can see some visible results -- and my wife can as well -- but all things being equal, I would have guessed/hoped that getting to 60 pounds would have meant I could see significantly more; after all, I'm lifting a cumulative total of 12,000 pounds (16,000 on my biceps days) per day, with each arm taking half of the load. Even so, I'm intentionally not going super intense for several reasons, one being a lack of time, but also because I'm mindful that starting this in my mid-50s does put me at greater risk of injury than I would have faced 30 years ago, and I would hate to hurt myself and have to stop for a long period of time to heal, thus possibly giving up any gains I have made.

Anyway … I digress …

SSB

Good for you, sticking with it.

And definitely err on the cautious side as far as injuries.

A middle-aged friend of mine started a major weightlifting routine last year. He was doing well for a long time but then he got an injury this summer. He thinks that one day of pushing too hard probably cost him 3-4 months of progress.

Fast & hard wins the race on the playing field. But slow & steady wins the race in the weight room.

 

[VanPersie]

I think I read from Arnold or another professional bodybuilder that diet is surprisingly like 50% or more when you are building muscle. Especially when you want to start going into the 15% or lower body fat.



Another thing in Skyfall that says that the DB5 isn't the Casino Royale one is Q's joke line about bringing the car back after it gets destroyed. That it's MI6's car not Bond's personal car. Which is a shame since in the books Bond modifies his personal Bentley.

Wasn’t than in Spectre?

Good point, though I took it as just an in joke easter egg style comment for the audience.

 

[el toro]

I started reading this thread believing it was about bond, but apparently it’s a weightlifting one.

 

[batguy]

Bond got pretty buffed-up in the Daniel Craig era. The topic is not wholly out of left field.

Connery was an ameteur bodybuilder in his youth too. That was back when they looked natural/healthy.

 

[Wakeem]

Wasn’t than in Spectre?

Good point, though I took it as just an in joke easter egg style comment for the audience.

You're right, it was in Spectre. Even though I don't like Skyfall, Spectre is a movie I can't believe is from the same director.

Bond got pretty buffed-up in the Daniel Craig era. The topic is not wholly out of left field.

Connery was an ameteur bodybuilder in his youth too. That was back when they looked natural/healthy.

Arnold talked about the look of modern bodybuilders once. An original Ms Olympia did as well.

 

[pengbuzz]

Well...they could always cast:

Spoiler

Taron Egerton

*runs*

 

[Wakeem]

I will always think that Clive Owen after that bartender movie and those BMW short films would have made a good serious Bond.

 

[MichaelFuji]

About Casting:
If they would go down the road of introducing a FEMALE Bond, I would only accept ONE person and that would be:

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

But she's 38 already = too old for starters.

And to be honest, I like Bond as a male figure.

 

[joberg]

About Casting:
If they would go down the road of introducing a FEMALE Bond, I would only accept ONE person and that would be:

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

But she's 38 already = too old for starters.

And to be honest, I like Bond as a male figure.

Anybody but herPlease!!!

 

[MichaelFuji]

Anybody but herPlease!!!

Well, I liked her in Indy 5.

And hey, It's just my little 2cc.
I am not from Hollywood nor making any decisions related to Jams Bond.

You can remain calm and seated.

 

[Malibu139]

About Casting:
If they would go down the road of introducing a FEMALE Bond, I would only accept ONE person and that would be:

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

Lookout.