STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[Wolfsburg]

It's okay. I'm just complaining on the internet and you're just blindly defending him on the internet. I highly suspect the future of the SW franchise would be just fine regardless of Dave. You're the ones freaking out because I dare to criticize ol' Dave's and the Story Group's handling of things.. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I would rather not have things explained than what we're getting but it's all a moot point. I like storytellers that can actually tell a story without interfering with what's come before.

And if you are actually okay with the ingenious notion of a fully armed and functioning B-wing prototype being built singlehandedly by an old man in his garage, that's your prerogative. That's now the canon story of where B-wings come from. You may find that to be an incredible stroke of storytelling but if that's the best they can come up with, I would've rather not known! Lol!

I think you're exactly right about the longevity of the show. It had been rumored that it'd only be three seasons before they jumped into a new show taking place in the 30 years before TFA.

 

[Bryancd]

I think you're exactly right about the longevity of the show. It had been rumored that it'd only be three seasons before they jumped into a new show taking place in the 30 years before TFA.

Actually I think they may set it in the TFA timeline.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

No grudge here! You need things explained to you and that's fine.

KISS is always the best.

I love how you claim one thing and then go onto totally negate that claim as you continue to speak.

Your the one needing explainations. We watch the show and understand what is going on and that it is staying true to canon. Your are the one who wrongly accuses the show of ruining canon simply because you don't understand the difference between intent and canon.

if you want to KISS, maybe not use a complex computer device to bitch. Head on down to the town square and get on your soapbox.

 

[Wolfsburg]

There, there. I can tell you're upset. Just simmer down. It'll be okay. I think you're as wrong as you think I am and there's no getting around it.

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Actually I think they may set it in the TFA timeline.

That's interesting. I'm wondering if they're gonna delve into Maz Kanata at all. JJ said the backstory is hashed out but will be explained in some format outside of the movie?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

There, there. I can tell you're upset. Just simmer down. It'll be okay. I think you're as wrong as you think I am and there's no getting around it.

I don't have to get upset. Not only have I and others proved you wrong but your additional replies just further enforce the idea that you have no idea what you are talking about. So please... keep going. opcorn

 

[Wolfsburg]

And yet you can't let it go! Lol! You've taken this far more personally than I would've ever imagined. I think you're wrong and you think I'm wrong. You think I'm clueless and I think you are. You have to have things explained to you and I prefer it not be. You've only proven something in your own mind. There's nowhere else this can go.

 

[Laspector]

I don't see what the big deal is. Look at any air battle throughout history, do you see every single type of aircraft that army has in every battle?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

There's nowhere else this can go.

Ok, I thought you were going on to tell us how the Star Wars Holiday Special is still canon because Lucas first intended it to be so. :facepalm

 

[Wolfsburg]

Lucas wants to have as little to do with that as possible! Lol!

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Lucas wants to have as little to do with that as possible! Lol!

Very true, but it was his intention. And you said:

Well then, I would far rather respect what GL intended back then, even if it wasn't spelled out, like some of you apparently need.

So since you like to KISS and you believe intent in the same a canon, you have to believe the Star Wars Holiday Special is canon (or else everything you said is bogus, which everyone but you already knows). I say it is not canon because I believe declared canon over rules any intention. So yes, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Wolfsburg]

My understanding was he had next to nothing to do with the Holiday Special? As it is, I suppose it could've been good but it was executed just about as poorly as one could imagine. Unless you actually think it was his idea to include Jefferson Starship and Diahann Carroll...

 

[Bryancd]

My understanding was he had next to nothing to do with the Holiday Special? As it is, I suppose it could've been good but it was executed just about as poorly as one could imagine.

He had to beg the actors to do it. Just to circle back a bit, GL was THE creative hand guiding The Clone Wars, it was very much a product of his vision. As I have said repeatedly Dave Filloni worked every day for 6 years besides George. To suggest Dave is dismissive to Georges vision and not the proper steward going forward is really asinine.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Anything I've seen said they basically let them use the characters but had almost nothing to do with it.

"The special from 1978 really didn't have much to do with us, you know. I can't remember what network it was on, but it was a thing that they did. We kind of let them do it. It was done by... I can't even remember who the group was, but they were variety TV guys. We let them use the characters and stuff and that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you learn from those experiences."

Dave does what Dave wants to do. George's vision in the past 15 years or so has been rather blurred, regardless. Rick McCallum spent even more time with Lucas and I wouldn't want to see him touch SW.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Here's my takeaway:

- The movies neither said nor implied the Mon Calamari presence and that of their ships, the A-Wing fighters, the B-Wing fighters, and the new flight gear for the Y-wings was new. I know there is also debate over the "meaning" of the line about the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust, but a strategic dispersal makes the most sense and always has. I imagine each cell having their own ground facilities and space assets, however meager. I have no problem seeing Yavin D as the primary command-and-control location, and some part of the fleet (Mon Cal or not) as where Mon Mothma was hanging out. It would be rather foolish of the Rebellion to keep all their highest-ranking and most politically influential leaders in one place. I count deleted scenes, except where the final film contradicts, so I know Mon Mothma was in the Rebellion from the beginning. Since she didn't join up after ESB, there is no precedent to presume the rest. Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

- West End Games gave us the post-Yavin origin for the A-WIng and Mon Cal origin for the B-Wing. They also have a notorious track record for getting a lot of things that were in the movies themselves wrong, so anything they came up with regarding stuff seen in the movies can be treated as dubious at best.

- We the fans, for the most part, didn't "need" anything explained. It was just put out there by EU authors and the game creators. And what was put forth was fun until something came along that contradicted it. For the most part, when it was two competing EU sources, fans just had to shrug and ignore the problem. When it was the films, they took precedence. Were you this strident about George overruling every single one of the EU origins for Boba Fett? The canon is the canon, and the EU was only ever potential canon. I was surprised when A-Wings showed up "early" in Rebels, but after I got over the surprise, I'm fine with it. It makes sense. Ditto the B-Wing stuff we just got. I don't need these things explained, but I have no problem letting the people in charge tell the story they want to tell. Time will tell whether they're stronger or weaker storytellers than George, but these minor details...? Utterly not worth getting this worked up over.

--Jonah

 

[Wolfsburg]

I'm not worked up and only voicing an opinion but it seems I've incurred the ire of Filoni's fanboys. I don't have a problem with the guy but he's hardly the infallible SW wunderkind as some like to paint him to be. As I said, he has moments of brilliance and just as many that are not so much. And yes, I hated GL's handling of Fett's formerly murky background. Lol! I'm not an EU fanboy by any stretch and was glad to see it go for the most part. I'm just dismayed to see most of this new "canon" is inferior to even what was in the EU. I'd rather have no explanation that what they're coming up with.

I don't think the movies implied the Mon Cal ships and gear were operationally new but I certainly took away that they, as an entity, were fairly new to the Rebellion's cause, due to their utter absence in the prior movies. It's never spelled out but it seemed like a logical, obvious conclusion to make with what was presented to us. Apparently it wasn't as obvious as I thought. I rather liked what I perceived as the arc of the Rebellion in the OT, and their growing power and influence. They start ANH with almost nothing but a few fighters scraped together and end the trilogy with advanced fighters, like the A-wing and B-wing, and capital ships capable of going toe to toe with star destroyers. Now, it turns out we were just seeing one "cell" in ANH and they had all these ships the whole time...but they were conveniently "somewhere else". Some of you may find this to be incredible storytelling but I find it to be a very boring, unimaginative turn of events. Even still, I would've rather this stuff just been left open and not explained at all.

 

[astroboy]

Regarding A wings, there were very similar ships used by the coruscant police all throughout the clone wars.

A wings might simply be repurposed cop cars

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[Wolfsburg]

That would be...interesting. Lol!

 

[astroboy]

That would be...interesting. Lol!

Personally, I never bought the idea that the rebel ships were built by a "sympathetic " manufacturer.

That doesn't happen with rebel cells here on earth and I don't see it happening there either. It makes so much more sense that they were older repurposed civilian ships or security escorts. Or even older military vehicles from the clone wars

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[Mara Jade's Father]

My understanding was he had next to nothing to do with the Holiday Special?

Nothing except for...

...With a sequel still two years away from theaters, Lucas had been sold on the idea that a Star Wars holiday television special—to be broadcast on CBS the weekend before Thanksgiving, when Nielsen audiences were plentiful—would sustain interest in the franchise, move more toys off the shelves, and maybe even pick up some new fans who hadn’t seen the movie...

...Though Lucas would not be involved in the actual shooting of the special—Smith and Hemion would oversee that—he knew the tales he wanted to tell and planned to work with the show’s team of seasoned TV writers to develop his ideas into a viable script...

...But when Vilanch heard Lucas’s storyline at a development meeting at Smith and Hemion’s L.A. offices, he quickly realized that a “big challenge” lay ahead. Lucas was intent on building The Star Wars Holiday Special, as it would be called, around Wookiees—specifically, the family of Chewbacca, Han Solo’s shaggy sidekick, as they outwitted Imperial forces to come together on Life Day, the Wookiee equivalent of Christmas. Suddenly, Vilanch says, the special was in danger of looking like “one long episode of Lassie.”

“I said: ‘You’ve chosen to build a story around these characters who don’t speak. The only sound they make is like fat people having an orgasm,’” the 250-plus-pound Vilanch recalls. “In fact, I told Lucas he could just leave a tape recorder in my bedroom and I’d be happy to do all the looping and Foley work for him.”
Lucas met these comments with a “glacial” look. “This was his vision, and he could not be moved,” Vilanch says. “And of course Star Wars was so gigantic that he had been validated a hundred times over. So he had what a director needs to have, which is this insane belief in their personal vision, and he was somehow going to make it work.”...

...But the deal had been struck, and Lucas and the writers got down to the business of roughing out a script. “We would ask him questions [like] ‘Would a Wookiee slap his knee—do they laugh the way humans laugh or is there some other way?’ Because, you know, we didn’t want to **** on the Bible,” Vilanch says. “We knew that he had his rules. And we didn’t know what his rules were. Mostly, he was just passing judgment. He had constructed the framework for the show, and we were basically just throwing things onto it and seeing if they stuck.”

Vilanch says it was Lucas who named Chewbacca’s father and son, respectively, Itchy and Lumpy (though Star Wars nerds will note that the names are actually abbreviations of Attichitcuk and Lumpawarrump). The filmmaker had an even more interesting appellation for one of the Cantina aliens. While flipping through a book of production stills, Vilanch says, the Star Wars creator came across a particularly provocative-looking creature. “Lucas, who had been pretty stolid the whole time, turned to me and said: ‘Oh yes, we call him Cuntface.’ And that’s what it looked like, actually...​

...Lucas was well aware of what was happening, too, but, Kurtz says, “I don’t think he thought much about it, really. We were working on a lot of other things at the time and there was a lot of effort in preparing Empire, so nobody had any time.”...
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Hmm... does not seem like "next to nothing".

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Regarding A wings, there were very similar ships used by the coruscant police all throughout the clone wars.

A wings might simply be repurposed cop cars

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Personally, I never bought the idea that the rebel ships were built by a "sympathetic " manufacturer.

That doesn't happen with rebel cells here on earth and I don't see it happening there either. It makes so much more sense that they were older repurposed civilian ships or security escorts. Or even older military vehicles from the clone wars

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Although I never heard the thing about the A-Wings, it goes along with what I always thought that most of the rebellions equipment, gear, craft, uniforms, etc.. was really just an accumulation of donated materials from either planetary defense and/or security forces of planets directly involved in the rebellion or systems that were sympathetic. Maybe even groups like the Hutts or others who gained by keeping the spread of the empire to their region. For example, if the rebellion took place 20 years prior and Naboo was involved in the rebellion, then we might see some of their N-1 star fighters in battle.

Sure they might be able to get new items developed for their cause like the B-Wing but it would take money and resources and a level of secrecy. Even if it was an actual existing manufacture but if they were found out, they would be a target of the Empire real quick. Not saying it can't happen (because the canon states that B-Wings are now being manufacted somewhere in some way) but there is more to it than calling up a starship manufacture and saying, "Hello, we are the rebellion and we would like you to make us some ships. Oh and btw, would you take a post dated check?"