Onigiri
Sr Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
LOL...BREATH Chris...BREEEEEEEEEEEATH.......
NOw...must find screws...
LOL...BREATH Chris...BREEEEEEEEEEEATH.......
NOw...must find screws...
ROTJ Vader light saber
- Thread starter d3po2u
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Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
Well, let me slow this down a little.
Mpp's and even Parks MPP's are pretty common, and all the information to make a Vader ESB saber has been on the web for a few years now.
Just like some people take a brand new piece of furniture and make it an 'antique', anyone with some skill, knowledge, and desire could take an MPP and dress it up to look 30+ years old.
1. Do we have good, clear photographs of the ESB/ROTJ Vader Saber?
2. Are their any identifying marks on the actual screen used saber that we can see in those pics?
3. Can we match-up any of those witness marks to this piece?
4. How long has this saber been on display? Is there any COA? Where did it come from?
5. It seems a little strange to me that a piece of LFL property is on display in a 'museum' in Grantville, Pa and this is the first we are hearing about it. Is it on loan? Does LFL know about it? Can we contact them ? (Chris?)
6. Was this from an auction (Profiles? Christies?), or a private collection?
7. Has anyone in the last 30 years seen this exact Saber? Photos from the Archives? First hand accounts?
8. Was this a fan made piece from maybe 1985 or something that was passed off as screen used and someone believes they have had a screen used piece? We see stuff like this from the Elstree don't we?
Just throwing out some ideas before we over-commit on this.
Well, let me slow this down a little.
Mpp's and even Parks MPP's are pretty common, and all the information to make a Vader ESB saber has been on the web for a few years now.
Just like some people take a brand new piece of furniture and make it an 'antique', anyone with some skill, knowledge, and desire could take an MPP and dress it up to look 30+ years old.
1. Do we have good, clear photographs of the ESB/ROTJ Vader Saber?
2. Are their any identifying marks on the actual screen used saber that we can see in those pics?
3. Can we match-up any of those witness marks to this piece?
4. How long has this saber been on display? Is there any COA? Where did it come from?
5. It seems a little strange to me that a piece of LFL property is on display in a 'museum' in Grantville, Pa and this is the first we are hearing about it. Is it on loan? Does LFL know about it? Can we contact them ? (Chris?)
6. Was this from an auction (Profiles? Christies?), or a private collection?
7. Has anyone in the last 30 years seen this exact Saber? Photos from the Archives? First hand accounts?
8. Was this a fan made piece from maybe 1985 or something that was passed off as screen used and someone believes they have had a screen used piece? We see stuff like this from the Elstree don't we?
Just throwing out some ideas before we over-commit on this.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
FYI - at least some of the screws are a late ESB or ROTJ additions. Reference is limited, but there is definitely not an upper screw in the grip 3rd from left in the ESB promo shots (red background).
MPP's aren't that uncommon. True. The knowledge to make an ESB repro saber this precise is not common at all. I've seen very few repro sabers that could pass for screen used.
To answer your questions...
1.YES, I do have a couple.
2. YES
3. YES
4. unknown
5. I can contact LFL about this. It's not that rare for a piece to be out of Lucasfilm's hands. Many of the lightsabers are not in the archives.
6.unknown
7. unknown. I have never seen this saber in the archive photos before.
8. No way. Fan made pieces from the 80's are usually very inaccurate. Elstree does like to lie a lot.
The fact that I can answer YES to the first three questions has me very certain that is THE ESB saber. WAY too much stuff lines up for it to be a fake. I would like to see more pics of it to match up even more details.
I'm really stunned to see this saber. It's very exciting! :eek
FYI - at least some of the screws are a late ESB or ROTJ additions. Reference is limited, but there is definitely not an upper screw in the grip 3rd from left in the ESB promo shots (red background).
MPP's aren't that uncommon. True. The knowledge to make an ESB repro saber this precise is not common at all. I've seen very few repro sabers that could pass for screen used.
To answer your questions...
1.YES, I do have a couple.
2. YES
3. YES
4. unknown
5. I can contact LFL about this. It's not that rare for a piece to be out of Lucasfilm's hands. Many of the lightsabers are not in the archives.
6.unknown
7. unknown. I have never seen this saber in the archive photos before.
8. No way. Fan made pieces from the 80's are usually very inaccurate. Elstree does like to lie a lot.
The fact that I can answer YES to the first three questions has me very certain that is THE ESB saber. WAY too much stuff lines up for it to be a fake. I would like to see more pics of it to match up even more details.
I'm really stunned to see this saber. It's very exciting! :eek
Tuskin Scout
Well-Known Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
Is this under glass or uncovered? Looks to me like its just sitting there attached to a backdrop.
Is this under glass or uncovered? Looks to me like its just sitting there attached to a backdrop.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
d3po2u says it's behind glass.
I did a search for this place.
It's a Casino/Racetrack with a little Hollywood museum.
720 Bow Creek Rd, Grantville, PA 17028, USA
http://www.hcpn.com/
Anyone nearby with a nice camera?
d3po2u says it's behind glass.
I did a search for this place.
It's a Casino/Racetrack with a little Hollywood museum.
720 Bow Creek Rd, Grantville, PA 17028, USA
http://www.hcpn.com/
Anyone nearby with a nice camera?
acerocket
Well-Known Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
I had always thought the story was the ESB hero was around at the beginning of filming but went missing and a Graflex was pressed into duty to finish filming. If it is true the MPP was 'lost' then it might be hard for there to be a COA if this indeed the real deal.
Awesome find if this does turn out to be the ESB hero.
I had always thought the story was the ESB hero was around at the beginning of filming but went missing and a Graflex was pressed into duty to finish filming. If it is true the MPP was 'lost' then it might be hard for there to be a COA if this indeed the real deal.
Awesome find if this does turn out to be the ESB hero.
d3po2u
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Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
Well,I never thought there would be all this buzz about the Vader saber.:eek
Truth be told, I work at the Casino, In the museum.
I will try and get more info on this piece. I can contact the crew that set up the display.
Unfortunately, the saber is mounted to the poster, sealed in a frame.
It was real hard to photgraph, because of the reflections on the glass, etc.
I will try to get better pics, let me know what you need.
Well,I never thought there would be all this buzz about the Vader saber.:eek
Truth be told, I work at the Casino, In the museum.
I will try and get more info on this piece. I can contact the crew that set up the display.
Unfortunately, the saber is mounted to the poster, sealed in a frame.
It was real hard to photgraph, because of the reflections on the glass, etc.
I will try to get better pics, let me know what you need.
SaberFreak
Sr Member
Ti-el_terall
Active Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
It looks like the same saber that was in the Seattle Musuem of Science fiction. the graflex they had with it did not look legit. It could be a different saber tho.
It looks like the same saber that was in the Seattle Musuem of Science fiction. the graflex they had with it did not look legit. It could be a different saber tho.
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
Just when we all thought we nailed the Vader saber origins... WHAM! This pops up!:lol
Just when we all thought we nailed the Vader saber origins... WHAM! This pops up!:lol
d3po2u
Well-Known Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
I have a Nikon cool pix digital, filters don't fit.
If it is mis-labeled, maybe I can get the museum crew to "Change" the display..put the correct placard, etc. with it.
Just a thought.
Incidentally, the museum is not open to the public just yet.
I have a Nikon cool pix digital, filters don't fit.
If it is mis-labeled, maybe I can get the museum crew to "Change" the display..put the correct placard, etc. with it.
Just a thought.
Incidentally, the museum is not open to the public just yet.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
I'd love to know the backstory on how the museum got the piece. What auction it came from etc.
I wish we could see the other side of it.
A nice shot of the bottom would be cool to see what MPP variation this is.
I'd love to know the backstory on how the museum got the piece. What auction it came from etc.
I wish we could see the other side of it.
A nice shot of the bottom would be cool to see what MPP variation this is.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
A taste of why I'm so excited about this saber turning up...
ESB Hero prop on left
There are several other details that line up as well like the ways the wires are crimped and some of the shroud chips. I'd like to see more pics to do a more thorough comparison.
This is the saber most seen in ESB (both movie and publicity stills). It was used at least during ROTJ publicity if not in the movie itself. This saber may even be the Vader ANH saber with the black sidebars (Vader ANH V2).
Most "stories" we hear these days are just theories fans came up with (ie Vader saber stolen so they converted a Graflex for ROTJ). We label sabers this movie or that based on features and looks of the prop. All three movies used several saber props per character, many we haven't even seen yet. Calling the Vader graflex "THE" ROTJ saber is a fan simplification. Truth is we have no solid evidence when and where it was used. Just a few blurry screencaps and the knowledge that it is authentic because it came from the LFL archives.
A taste of why I'm so excited about this saber turning up...
ESB Hero prop on left
There are several other details that line up as well like the ways the wires are crimped and some of the shroud chips. I'd like to see more pics to do a more thorough comparison.
This is the saber most seen in ESB (both movie and publicity stills). It was used at least during ROTJ publicity if not in the movie itself. This saber may even be the Vader ANH saber with the black sidebars (Vader ANH V2).
Most "stories" we hear these days are just theories fans came up with (ie Vader saber stolen so they converted a Graflex for ROTJ). We label sabers this movie or that based on features and looks of the prop. All three movies used several saber props per character, many we haven't even seen yet. Calling the Vader graflex "THE" ROTJ saber is a fan simplification. Truth is we have no solid evidence when and where it was used. Just a few blurry screencaps and the knowledge that it is authentic because it came from the LFL archives.
deathscythe
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Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
Well, Ti-el_terall, I'd say that this is not the saber that was on display in Seattle at the Sci-fi museum. I live pretty close, and went through there a number of times - taking a good long look at some of the stuff that particularly interested me, such as most of the SW stuff. I wouldn't even joke at claiming to be a Vader expert, but I'd say that it wasn't the same saber. It's been a while since I was there also, but I think that one may still be on display there anyways...
Well, that nice little side-by-side comparison pic looks like this saber has been nailed... Or screwed, if you were... Identified in any case.
Well, Ti-el_terall, I'd say that this is not the saber that was on display in Seattle at the Sci-fi museum. I live pretty close, and went through there a number of times - taking a good long look at some of the stuff that particularly interested me, such as most of the SW stuff. I wouldn't even joke at claiming to be a Vader expert, but I'd say that it wasn't the same saber. It's been a while since I was there also, but I think that one may still be on display there anyways...
Well, that nice little side-by-side comparison pic looks like this saber has been nailed... Or screwed, if you were... Identified in any case.
Vadermonkey
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Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
No, the saber at the Sci Fi museum was the MR ESB saber.
Thanks for sharing that real saber pic! I have studied this saber alot for my own display....it'd be great to see more shots of it.
No, the saber at the Sci Fi museum was the MR ESB saber.
Thanks for sharing that real saber pic! I have studied this saber alot for my own display....it'd be great to see more shots of it.
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
Re: ROTJ Vader light sabre
I dont see any screw heads on the pic on the left. Not discounting that it IS THEE ESB/ROTJ saber. Personallly I beleive it is. I find it interesting that, they would have been added later. But why?
A taste of why I'm so excited about this saber turning up...
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I dont see any screw heads on the pic on the left. Not discounting that it IS THEE ESB/ROTJ saber. Personallly I beleive it is. I find it interesting that, they would have been added later. But why?
