TBH I didn’t read the last page on this.Wow! Answered in the last page and already trying a reset.
I was on my own narrative.
TBH I didn’t read the last page on this.Wow! Answered in the last page and already trying a reset.
Rey gained a reputation in Niima Outpost for using her quarterstaff to defend herself, which also kept most people from bothering her—save for the occasional new scavenger who did not know about her, or were so desperate for supplies that they did not care.[8]
Inside the walker [where she made her home], Rey also had a computer display from an old BTL-A4 Y-wing assault starfighter/bomber that she used to learn alien languages, study the schematics of Republic and Imperial starships, and run flight simulations in order to hone her skills as a pilot. Her ability to understand alien languages, including the binary language of droids, helped her when off-worlders came to Niima Outpost. Two such off-worlders were Wookiees, who regaled her with the stories of the famed Wookiee smuggler-turned-Rebel fighter Chewbacca. She learned of Chewbacca's exploits, as well as those of his friend and fellow smuggler Han Solo. Studying schematics to learn how ships worked was also an important part of her survival on Jakku. She recognized almost all of the Republic and Imperial vessels that could be found in the Graveyard, including what roles they played in combat, the types of weapons they were armed with, their models and classes, and how many crew members each one had. She learned this not just through studying schematics on her computer, but also by climbing through and exploring the ships and tinkering with their systems. This let her know what each part was, what it could do, whether it worked, and, most importantly, whether it would carry any value in Niima Outpost.[8]
Kylo had retreated at finding Rey in his head - had practically fled from her. But that had not been the end of that strange, sudden connection. She had seen more - far more. Somehow, almost instinctually, she knew how he accessed some of the powers at his commend - even though she didn't understand them. It was as if his training had become hers, unlocking and flinging open door after door in her mind.
Point being, Luke is skilled at almost everything, but with no training in anything!
I feel like if the character were Ray instead if Rey, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But hey, that's ok. Keep forgiving Luke for the same things you condemn Rey for if that's your jam.
The problem lies in poor writing.The problem lies in giving Luke a pass and not Rey.
I agree with you but I'm not sure if it's warranted to play the "sexism" card.
Which is a long way of saying that this entire debate about Rey's ligthsabre abilities is basically just another way of bitching about how she's a Mary Sue, which is a stupid argument in the first place laced with unconscious sexism, because Luke is just as much of a Mary Sue as she is and CAN WE PLEASE MOVE THE **** ON FROM ALL OF THIS?!
But Rey, knows how to use the lightsaber and actually defeats Kylo??? Whether her swinging skills are great or not, she defeats a guy who's been doing this longer than her???
I agree with you but I'm not sure if it's warranted to play the "sexism" card.
While I don't have a problem with Rey at all, I can understand how some folks might have a problem with her simply because they are so much bonded the core Lucas characters that it would be a hard sell to accept someone new written by someone other than Lucas. I could just as easily imagine Rey's part being played by some 20 year old redheaded guy and folks being just as harsh on him.
Tell ya what... kill your father and then take a bowcaster blast to your gut and then come back here and tell us how easy it is to do pretty much anything, much less wander out into the middle of the woods and engage in a lightsaber duel with someone who literally just invaded your mind not that long ago.
This argument against Rey has been a text-book example of cherry picking.
Of course, nothing in the films ever makes any connection between the T-16 and the X-Wing. That's all ancillary material that was, if I remember correctly, originally added with the West End Games Star Wars Role Playing Game, and which helped explain Luke's familiarity with the X-wing when otherwise he'd just be magically good at flying and wouldn't have "earned" his ability.
Luke, whose wookieepedia page only references him training in the use of a lightsabre (1) with Obi-Wan on the Falcon, and (2) with some training remotes that he found in another temple and with Obi-Wan's instruction for a few days. Everything else with respect to his training never mentions lightsabre training specifically. Yoda trains Luke, but it doesn't say that he's trained to use a lightsabre.
Sorry, what? Finn sees the shot in the sky. Everyone else does, too. he doesn't hear the explosion or the screams. Not sure what you're getting at?
It was the NPR radio drama originally. When they arrived at the Yavin base, Biggs heard the hubbub and when he saw it was Luke, he vouched for his piloting skills and got him in to be checked out on the simulator. That's also where the similarity of controls was mentioned -- a thing the maker of both craft (T-16 and T-65) did deliberately to streamline pilot training. The radio drama drew inspiration from the at-the-time-deleted scene where Luke is reunited with Biggs right before the battle, but stretched out into two parts -- the reunion and the "are you coming up with us?" part after the sim time and Artoo's data being analyzed.
I tend to tacitly count deleted scenes and lines in the scripts unless and until something further along contradicts. Several sources show the deleted bits of Luke's training on Dagobah where 1) early on Yoda tosses a small metal bar at Luke without warning, Luke lights up, swings, and misses completely, and Yoda says "were you a Jedi, the bar would be in seven pieces"; then 2) shortly before his premature departure to go rescue his friends, Yoda does this again, and Luke manages to cut the bar into four pieces, showing his improvement, but not yet mastery. Part of the general training montage that was cut was also Luke training with multiple remotes.
Then why include the screaming in that shot if he can't hear it? For us? Doesn't that break the 4th wall?
Maybe the humans/aliens leaving Maz Kanata's Castle? Sorry, but Finn doesn't appear to be "Force" intuitive at all.
That would've helped somewhat, except that it would simply suggest that Luke is more in-tune with the Force rather than that he's had actual combat training. And, of course, we don't know how long Luke's training with Yoda actually lasted. (The films are never really clear about time or even sequence in some cases.)
TLJ actually suffers from this as well. Rey is apparently trained in 3 days or so by Luke. But the fleet chase seems to take a matter of hours? It seems to suggest either that the fleet chase took waaaaaaaay longer, or that Rey left before the fleet chase happened, and what we see isn't actually happening in the sequence shown on screen.
Having taken a lot of time to study writing and story building, I'm gonna say this is not precisely true. A dedicated writer doesn't necessarily need years to craft a tight story, certainly not a screenplay. This is hugely dependent on the writer, on a case by case basis.
All that aside, the "Rey is awesome with no training" argument just doesn't hold water.
If we're going to compare her to Luke then we should do so fairly.
She's lived on her own for years on Jakku, where she clearly learned how to fight and survive on her own. As of the beginning of TFA she's already a bigger badass than Luke was at the start of ANH because of this. At the end of that film she fights a powerful but mentally unhinged Kylo Ren and bests him by giving in to the force though only having learned of it recently. You'll note that we see her actually kicking a few ruffians asses on Jakku prior to this. It's established that she knows how to fight already.
We never see Luke do anything pilot-wise in ANH, except drive his busted old landspeeder in search of R2, though he brags a good game in front of Han at the cantina ("I'm not such a bad pilot myself! We don't have to sit here and listen to this") and during the planning prior to the Death Star attack, where he mentions flying the T-16 and bullseyeing womp rats.
Then he gets in an X-Wing and even though he's just learned about the force that day or the day prior, he successfully tunes in to it enough to fly down the trench at 1000's of kph and nail the target perfectly.
If we go down this line of reasoning then it seems blatantly clear to me that we're all a bunch of ******* nerds. Wait, I mean it seems blatantly clear to me that Rey's situation parallels Luke's so closely specifically to assuage these kinds of "She's too good at stuff" arguments.
Which then cues the folks who bitch about the movie being a complete retread of ANH and then I throw my hands in the air and walk away for a bit to catch my breath.
Part of the problem is there are no little clues that Rey is an amazing pilot, she just is. Here is a quote from ANH script:
RED LEADER
Are you... Luke Skywalker? Have you been checked out on the Incom T-sixty-five?
BIGGS
Sir, Luke is the best bushpilot in the outer rim territories.
Red Leader pats Luke on the back as they stop in front of
his fighter.
RED LEADER
I met your father once when I was
just a boy, he was a great pilot.
You'll do all right. If you've got
half of your father's skill, you'll
do better than all right.
LUKE
Thank you, sir. I'll try.
By dropping these little lines in a movie, it helps so much as it establishes that Luke is an outstanding pilot and it leads us to believe he could pilot a X-wing and we can suspend belief. Rey didn't have this, she's just magically good at piloting the Falcon, can do a force persuasion with no training, defeat Kylo in lightsaber combat with no training, the list goes on and on. It further gets worse as TFA and TLJ have no time to breathe because before we know it she's fighting elite Praetorian guards less that 42-72 hrs after TFA started lol the years between ANH/ESB allow to us to further believe that Luke grows and gets more powerful and as a storyteller allows some of those freedoms Rey doesn't get to have. I mean Luke moving the lightsaber in the wampa's cave was a big moment and that was over a year after ANH. If Luke had Rey's learning curve, he would've fought Vader in ANH and this story would be over lol. This just goes back to poor planning and storytelling by Abrams/Rian.