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    5 Days Ago  Sep 20, 2018, 11:38 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #151

    Riceball said: View Post
    You're right, they definitely painted F-18s for Mavericks kill markers.

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    Here's a first look at Tom in uniform, it looks like he's keeping the same basic paint scheme for his flight helmet. Which is funny since the current issue flight helmets are pretty much universally gry.
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    The helmet he's wearing is i believe ( its a somewhat low res photo) an HGU-68. The USN requires its pilots to have their helmets covered in reflective 3M tape to make them easier to spot should they have to ditch in the ocean at night. Something like 80% is required to be white... obvious the production doesn't care about this, it was already a requirement when the first film was made in 85. but they ignored it then too. He also has a clear visor which is odd, but i assume they can't block his face... The USAF is the ones with the gray helmets. they wear HGU-55's which are almost identical, just a few minor parts differences here and there. They do not require reflective tape in the USAF. they just keep the standard gray paint.
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 20, 2018, 7:37 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #152

    I wonder what the deal is with his kill markings being FA-18s? That's really idiotic mistake that I wouldn't have made even as a kid who was into planes!
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 3:17 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #153

    The MiG 29 has a very similar silhouette, could they be using F-18s as stand ins for the MiG?
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 5:12 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #154

    I am confused as why he still only has 3 - kills

    I mean in 32 years we have still seen combat as a nation? should he not have seen more action? Que (Take my breath AWAY!!!)

    not that kinda action
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 8:52 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #155

    He became an instructor after scoring those three kills.
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 1:11 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #156

    robn1 said: View Post
    The MiG 29 has a very similar silhouette, could they be using F-18s as stand ins for the MiG?
    No those are absolutely F/A-18 Hornet Silhouette. It is most likely just a huge screw-up from the art department. The US only exports Hornets to friendly nations so unless Canada or Switzerland have suddenly become enemies in this movie, that can't really occur. I haven't seen any mention of what they will be using as enemy Mig substitutes yet. Early talk was of drones but that was reportedly dropped. In todays market there are a number of privately owned Mig-29's and 35's. There are also at least 1 privately owned Su-27 in the United States. These could be used.
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 1:21 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #157

    Nismo said: View Post
    I am confused as why he still only has 3 - kills

    I mean in 32 years we have still seen combat as a nation? should he not have seen more action? Que (Take my breath AWAY!!!)

    not that kinda action
    Since the movie came out we've not gone up against anyone that has had a credible air to air threat. The last time we engaged in air to air combat was Desert Storm and there were only 1 or 2 engagements back then. Fast forward to DS2 the Iraqis did not try engage us in the air and the Taliban had no Air Force to speak of.
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 1:26 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #158

    robn1 said: View Post
    He became an instructor after scoring those three kills.
    That would only account for part of his time. Assuming that he returned to TOPGUN to teach at the end of the movie, that would only account for 2, maybe as much as 4 years, of his life. After that he probably would have been rotated back to a fleet squadron for another couple of years or so, possibly sent to some sort of advanced school, done a shore based tour, probably another tour at sea, maybe a turn at the Pentagon or maybe on the staff of the head of Naval aviation, more school (possibly command and staff school, if he didn't do that earlier), if lucky a tour as CAG, and probably at the time of this movie he's just returned to command TOPGUN which will likely be his last duty station (depending on when he got his silver chicken) before either retiring or getting his star.
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    4 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 1:33 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #159

    Nismo said: View Post
    I am confused as why he still only has 3 - kills

    I mean in 32 years we have still seen combat as a nation? should he not have seen more action? Que (Take my breath AWAY!!!)

    not that kinda action
    Nismo, In todays military aviation the vast majority of pilots will spend entire careers without ever encountering a hostile fighter aircraft. This has been the case since the end of the Vietnam War. In it's entire career with the USN from 1975-2006 the F-14 only had 5 kills, 4 migs and 1 helicopter. (The Iranians, who also have a number of tomcats claim to have shot down 159 enemy planes with it but this is far from confirmed) This low number is in part due to the USAF vectoring its own F-15's to most air-to-air engagements during the gulf war. There hasn't been a US Ace pilot in any flying branch (5 kills) since Vietnam. The closest anyone has gotten since 1975 is 3 kills. In short, Maverick going 30 years with only 3 kills is entirely realistic.
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    3 Days Ago  Sep 21, 2018, 8:14 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #160

    Maverick8500 said: View Post
    No those are absolutely F/A-18 Hornet Silhouette. It is most likely just a huge screw-up from the art department. The US only exports Hornets to friendly nations so unless Canada or Switzerland have suddenly become enemies in this movie, that can't really occur. I haven't seen any mention of what they will be using as enemy Mig substitutes yet. Early talk was of drones but that was reportedly dropped. In todays market there are a number of privately owned Mig-29's and 35's. There are also at least 1 privately owned Su-27 in the United States. These could be used.
    Those freaking Swiss with their chocolate and their mountains are just asking for it. They think they're so great...

    Like I said earlier, several former Soviet countries come to the U.S. for exercises like Red Flag and I would bet they would love to have their planes and pilots in a movie. I think Poland has Mig-29s now.
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    3 Days Ago  Sep 22, 2018, 1:08 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #161

    Maybe Maverick has been leaving MIGs alive when he beats them.

    I'm picturing about five MIGs surrounding him alone. They say "We have you, American Cowboy! It's 5-on-1!" Maverick says "Nah. 3-on-1. After I take out your leader, maybe a couple of committed wingmen . . . the last two always bug out. Now, remember guys: you wanted this."
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    2 Days Ago  Sep 22, 2018, 2:36 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #162

    Maverick8500 said: View Post
    No those are absolutely F/A-18 Hornet Silhouette. It is most likely just a huge screw-up from the art department. The US only exports Hornets to friendly nations so unless Canada or Switzerland have suddenly become enemies in this movie, that can't really occur. I haven't seen any mention of what they will be using as enemy Mig substitutes yet. Early talk was of drones but that was reportedly dropped. In todays market there are a number of privately owned Mig-29's and 35's. There are also at least 1 privately owned Su-27 in the United States. These could be used.
    I was suggesting that if the film is using F/A-18s as MiGs, as the original film used F-5s, than it would make sense for the kill marks to be F/A-18 silhouettes.
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    1 Day Ago  Sep 24, 2018, 6:01 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #163

    Maverick8500 said: View Post
    Nismo, In todays military aviation the vast majority of pilots will spend entire careers without ever encountering a hostile fighter aircraft. This has been the case since the end of the Vietnam War. In it's entire career with the USN from 1975-2006 the F-14 only had 5 kills, 4 migs and 1 helicopter. (The Iranians, who also have a number of tomcats claim to have shot down 159 enemy planes with it but this is far from confirmed) This low number is in part due to the USAF vectoring its own F-15's to most air-to-air engagements during the gulf war. There hasn't been a US Ace pilot in any flying branch (5 kills) since Vietnam. The closest anyone has gotten since 1975 is 3 kills. In short, Maverick going 30 years with only 3 kills is entirely realistic.
    Thanks for the info - so hollywood showed some restraint - go firgure
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    1 Day Ago  Sep 24, 2018, 6:30 AM - Re: Top Gun 2 #164

    I hope that someone in the movie has the call sign "Archer".
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    18 Hours Ago  Sep 24, 2018, 8:13 PM - Re: Top Gun 2 #165

    The best callsign I've seen was on a show about A-10s and a current female A-10 pilot with the callsign "Killer Chick". That's bad*ss!

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