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    Apr 18, 2018, 2:31 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #251

    I think the whole lack of a powerful "weapon" thing is just a plot device to set up "Danger Will Robinson" moments when general lazer/gun availability would solve the issue in seconds.
    If any thing watching this (just finished Episode Six) just shows how inept,contrived and stupid the plotting is.The "pass the pistol" game was just annoying,particularly when huge huge crocodile/ bear monsters start crawling out of the woods to eat people and then ,in the next episode, the same people think wandering off to take a dip in the river is a good idea, without rearming themelves ?????!!!!!!!!
    I am really struggling with this given that the colonists were given a battery of aptitude tests to pass before they were allowed to leave the Earth,I guess IQs must have dropped through the floor to judge by their behaviours or they ALL brided their way on to the ship.
    And just about EVERYTHING about the science they attempt to pass of as being credible is so ill concieved or wrong, deliberately so just to set up the next crisis, I could weep. I don't mind Sci fi or fantasy that does daft things with the laws of physics and nature to make an entertaining show but here its so poorly done I end up just shaking my head in disbelief.
    I've got to be honest there is hardly a character I care if they live or die, unfortunately due to the predictability of the scripting I guess they all make it to the end (including the chicken?) . The kids all get on my nerves, West is a total dick, the dad is totally dickless and the mother , well I've got to say if I was given the choice of living with her on another planet or staying to die on a doomed Earth, I might just take the Earth option. Smith just as hugely annoying as the rest of them. but somehow shes the most belivable character.
    If it wasn't for the excellent VFX and some good moments I doubt I would slog this out until the end, but having read some of the posts here it looks like this is a PREQUEL (!!!!!) anyway, so it was always going to stink as much as the farting gas used to fuel the space ships ( which , unbelievably they actual got right about as a possible rocket fuel for the future if they mix it with liquid oxygen, though I doubt your average space eel would want to chow down on it,but some very rare bacteria might).
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    Apr 18, 2018, 9:06 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #252

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    I am apparently missing something... How are they heading into the unknown, etc.? They were on their way to Alpha Centauri, the 24th mission to head their, if I interpret the patches right. West has been back and forth several times, and there are enough people already there for him to have been able to see that they're bringing the problems of Earth that they're trying to get away from with them.

    I see the lack of weapons as a combination of: They're on their way to a known and tamed world; the head of the colony is a controlling jerk; and, most specifically, the J2 might have stricter safeguards due to Maureen's personal dislike of firearms.

    None of them were expecting to suddenly be the first and only humans on a hostile, wild planet with big growly things out in the trees.
    That's a very good point, and I think it deserves discussion. While the destination might be tamed, known and conquered, there is a journey between civilized places that is decidedly uncivilized, untamed, and has the potential for danger and the need for self defense.

    People do become complacent, and people do tend to put thier safety in the hands of others when they absolutely should not. I suppose if the show was going to treat the journey as basically like a passenger plane through space, direct from earth to this new colony, no lay overs, then I could buy them not needing weapons. But it didn't do that. It treated the journey as something that could be dangerous. People needed and got training, and they needed to pass standards, they had lots of supplies for survival in harsh situations, etc.

    And the show wasted a lot of time with numerous vehicular issues and personal emergencies instead of taking the time to tell us why the resolute was attacked to begin with, and why the alien was wiping out people wholesale who were no threat. Though, I did do some scanning through the last 3 episodes, so I may have missed that, but I don't think I did.
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    Apr 18, 2018, 10:10 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #253

    Noeland said:
    It treated the journey as something that could be dangerous. People needed and got training, and they needed to pass standards, they had lots of supplies for survival in harsh situations, etc.
    I am only halfway through, but I’ve gotten the distinct impression that the training and testing is less for the journey, and more to make sure that every member of the “new world” is capable of positively contributing to society.

    I’m also going out on a limb and guessing that weapons may not even have been allowed on the journey, save for specific passengers...hence the fact that they couldn’t print one. If weapins were allowed there would be no reason to not let them be printed.

    I’ve viewed the lack of weaponry as two things:
    1. It is in fact a known and safe journey, one that’s been made AT LEAST 23 other times (who knows how many trips were made before they started sending colony ships), so the need to arm everyone is minimal.
    2. There were security personnel on the main ship who’s job it was to protect the passengers. I feel that these security guys probably were ordered to stay on the ship to fight the threat, which is why none of them ended up planetside.
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    Apr 18, 2018, 4:28 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #254

    Exactly. I don’t think enemy alien robots are commonplace. The fact they are selective about who gets to go and that they had no idea what to do with Smith at first points to this. Space is big and empty, only special perfect people get to go— I’m sure the Resolute had security officers with weapons, and the colony world has something similar. But a space mission full of specialists is not something you send armed people on. There’s no arms locker on the space shuttle.

    That said, once you crash land on a hostile planet and you know there are local animals that can ruin your life— yeah, hack that printer and start printing out some firepower.

    I went in expecting not much, and ended up really liking it. The robot looks a little too clunky dude in a suit when it;s not CG, Maureen is a bit of a sociopath— but the family drama and kids in peril is a great way to update the original concept.

    I too got an Earth 2 feel from it, and I loved that show. Part of me wants them just living on this planet and dealing with that. It’d be like a frontier pioneer story— just scifi. They could even keep all the local neighbors. It’s a fun set up— but I also get why they want to push for the return to the core concept. It’s funny how the movie remake was more “Lost in Time” and this first season was more “Lost on a Planet.”

    And I love this version of Smith. I wouldn’t have minded her being an actual evil scientist, but she’s got the amipulation and self-preservation, and hooks into Will thing down pat.

    Speaking of Will, it was fun to see Bill Mumy have a little cameo.

    Also, I love this version of Don West. Yes, he’s comic relief, but I see him as a very Han Solo type and think he will evolve. Overall, the cast is great— epescially the kids. It’s REALLY hard to find decent child actors, and these three are all really good.

    And if you didn’t feel a little sad when Robot was left in the cave you have no soul.
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    Apr 18, 2018, 6:56 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #255

    I loved it,...best TV Sci-Fi I've seen in a long time....the last couple of episodes let it down a tad though.....not much.....but really.....it was dong exceptionally well until John & Don and the wreckage bit

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    Apr 18, 2018, 8:25 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #256

    Last episode drove me bat sht crazy.
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    Apr 18, 2018, 11:33 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #257

    If anyone is interested. Will's dark orange camera is a Ricoh WG-M1. Probably one of the few things besides Oreo's you can buy that was used on-screen.
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    Apr 18, 2018, 11:36 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #258

    West: “Cuz I’m a badass, Princess!!”
    Judy: “You’re a badass princess.”
    West: “Wha? No. No. No, there’s a comma.”

    I laughed pretty hard at that exchange.

    I’m liking West’s character more and more. @SethS mentioned a Han Solo vibe from him, and I’m getting that same vibe. Heck, the dude’s even a smuggler!!
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    Apr 19, 2018, 1:49 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #259

    Okay, now that I’ve finished and know the full story— Resolute dum dums should have 100% been packing, even in secret.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 1:32 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #260

    Finished tonight. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I did find it a bit slow at times, but I’ve also got a lot on my mind so it was taking me nearly 90 minutes to finish each episode with all the pausing and dealing with other stuff I was doing.

    I really liked the robot, and I’m wondering how they’ll bring him back for season 2.

    I only had two issues with the season:
    1. I found it hard to believe that the Resolute had no ships it could send down to search. EVERY vessel on it was a Jupiter, and EVERY one of them crashed on the planet? I feel there’d have been a few spare Jupiters just in case they needed them, or some other type of transport ship they could have launched. Even a quick mention of “the spare Jupiter’s were destroyed in the attack” would have sufficed.
    2. I feel there’s no way the Robinsons would have trusted Smith, or whatever her name was. She was obviously a lying, evil, villain...so the Robinsons are either TERRIBLE judges of character, or they haven’t just killed her for the sole reason of giving the writers a way to create conflict.

    There were here a few other nit picky things, but nothing really worth mentioning. Overall, though, I hope it gets picked up for future seasons.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:20 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #261

    I'm very much enjoying this series. Just binged it, and while of course some parts were annoyingly written (no need for lazy writing with only 10 episodes), I found it quite compelling.

    I had no issues with the lack of weapons. It was clear that they had absolutely no expectations of extraterrestrial threats. No threats from internal conflicts thanks to strong moral vetting (presumably). And I actually like how conflict is resolved with less violence than the alternative could have been portrayed.

    I know the knee Jerk reaction to kill Smith is strong, but I think it's far more plausible that killing someone is far more difficult than TV has been selling us for decades. These people are supposed to be the best. They're the ones who aren't supposed to be the sociopaths that can easily dispose of another human being. Hell, if it's your natural instinct to swerve to avoid hitting a living thing, that makes you more civilized than most people as far as I'm concerned. And that's what makes things more dramatic and complicated for our heroes. How to deal with something you weren't supposed to have to deal with. Even for a soldier like John.

    The ship... I just can't help but see the Falcon's cousin in it. But I like it. I like it more and more when I see it. And I can't wait to see a model of it.

    Overall, fun show. Hope it doesn't get overly dramatic or complicated.

    Oh, and did the Toby Stephens who plays John, watch a lot of Scrubs? Because every once in a while, he looks and sounds a lot like Dr Cox. And that's awesome! I just keep waiting for him to go on with some long winded rambling speech that ends with dumping on Hugh Jackman.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:51 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #262

    I'm still trudging through this dreck. It's become a chore.
    I really wanted to like it, too....
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:53 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #263

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    I'm very much enjoying this series. Just binged it, and while of course some parts were annoyingly written (no need for lazy writing with only 10 episodes), I found it quite compelling.

    I had no issues with the lack of weapons. It was clear that they had absolutely no expectations of extraterrestrial threats. No threats from internal conflicts thanks to strong moral vetting (presumably).
    This is where I was until the last episode. I don't think any intelligent government would salvage/steal/reverse engineer alien tech and not be prepared for them to come looking for it, or at the very least be ready for an encounter with them since you know they exist and are in your hood.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 10:10 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #264

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    This is where I was until the last episode. I don't think any intelligent government would salvage/steal/reverse engineer alien tech and not be prepared for them to come looking for it, or at the very least be ready for an encounter with them since you know they exist and are in your hood.
    I get what you're saying. I was speculating that (based on the lack of information on hand) with space being practically beyond comprehension, so large, they never considered it would be an issue of the aliens looking for it. Or so naÔve, that it could turn into a potential threat, just wasn't a thought.

    The hard part is just not knowing the motivation behind why they didn't arm themselves, other than the history or absolutely no hostile contact in all their space travels.

    And in the end, I don't really think it needs to be a plot point. If this turns into an arc of us against them, I'll be a disappointed. I like the idea of them just against the harsh environment of space and alien worlds (on a natural - uninhabited by sentient beings sense).
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    Apr 20, 2018, 4:59 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #265

    Just finished ep 9. Can Dr Smith die in some horrible way? Please!!!
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    Apr 20, 2018, 8:42 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #266

    Gimpdiggity said: View Post

    1. I found it hard to believe that the Resolute had no ships it could send down to search. EVERY vessel on it was a Jupiter, and EVERY one of them crashed on the planet? I feel there’d have been a few spare Jupiters just in case they needed them, or some other type of transport ship they could have launched. Even a quick mention of “the spare Jupiter’s were destroyed in the attack” would have sufficed.
    There were only 11 Jupiter’s that crashed on the planet, the rest are still docked to the Resolute or lost in the wormhole. The Jupiters are designed to land then be the families habitat, not for search and rescue or return to orbit.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:12 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #267

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    There were only 11 Jupiter’s that crashed on the planet, the rest are still docked to the Resolute or lost in the wormhole. The Jupiters are designed to land then be the families habitat, not for search and rescue or return to orbit.
    Yet, many of them that landed on the planet returned to orbit, including the one manned by the Robinsons themselves...meaning that it’s clearly something the ship is capable of...so this reasoning still doesn’t explain why they never sent help down to the planet.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:26 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #268

    Gimpdiggity said: View Post
    Yet, many of them that landed on the planet returned to orbit, including the one manned by the Robinsons themselves...meaning that it’s clearly something the ship is capable of...so this reasoning still doesn’t explain why they never sent help down to the planet.
    They wouldn’t have been able to return to orbit had they not been able to find an alternate fuel source. The Resolute, not knowing if they could refuel on the planet, wouldn’t send the ships on a search mission.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:39 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #269

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    They wouldn’t have been able to return to orbit had they not been able to find an alternate fuel source. The Resolute, not knowing if they could refuel on the planet, wouldn’t send the ships on a search mission.
    There was enough fuel on the ship crashed in the desert to get back to orbit...that was the whole reason they went there. The only reason it wasn’t enough was because Judy decided trying to save that one guy and spilling most of the fuel was more important than getting a ship back up to the Resolute.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:45 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #270

    Gimpdiggity said: View Post
    Yet, many of them that landed on the planet returned to orbit, including the one manned by the Robinsons themselves...meaning that it’s clearly something the ship is capable of...so this reasoning still doesn’t explain why they never sent help down to the planet.
    Gimpdiggity said: View Post
    There was enough fuel on the ship crashed in the desert to get back to orbit...that was the whole reason they went there. The only reason it wasn’t enough was because Judy decided trying to save that one guy and spilling most of the fuel was more important than getting a ship back up to the Resolute.
    Yup... that’s a good point. Also, had it not been for the eels the rest of the ships could probably have taken off too.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 9:49 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #271

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    Yup... that’s a good point. Also, had it not been for the eels the rest of the ships could probably have taken off too.
    Like I said, it’s not a huge deal to me...clearly if Resolute has justvsent some spare Jupiters down then the show ends by episode 2 and it becomes much more difficult for just the Robinsons and Smith to end up truly “Lost in Space,” but I’d have just liked to see SOME mention of why that didn’t happen or wasn’t an option.
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    Apr 20, 2018, 10:25 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #272

    [Massive Spoilers Ahead...]

    If there is one area where this series is clearly unconcerned, it's with the laws of physics, logistics planning and a well fabricated rationale behind many of the plot elements. The backstory is just plain shallow. I think it's designed to be watched without consideration for any intelligent viewers' concerns about plausibility. There's a certain amount of absurdity that one has to overlook and simply accept.

    The real joy in the series is what's probably the best designed Jupiter yet, despite any Falcon genes, and the character performances in some clearly contrived circumstances.

    There are a lot of smart people on this forum! We're all problem solvers. And we all know that the problems faced here are as shallow as the backstory - and in many cases total BS. Yet we watch and enjoy because if there's one thing Netflix got right, it's the casting. We're supposed to hate Smith. Mission accomplished. We're supposed to root for the kids. Mission accomplished. Etc. They also got the robot very, very right: a new spin that makes the robot into a compelling and enigmatic character, not just a man in a can.

    You want reality? Judy would have been crushed by the ice, or would have been suffocated by the inability to inhale. Rather a downer, that. Water expands when it freezes. The eels would have been great big bags of gas and/or fluid after consuming so much fluid so quickly - not to mention how something so voracious could have entered the ship in the first place. All of the ships. And fly through a collapsing glacier - on empty tanks using just the fuel that's "in the lines?" How could 18 year old Dr. Judy have known that and not her father, the dude doing said flying. Let's see.... what else... another favorite: the air tight chariot completely sinking in a tar pit. Not a puddle of lighter than water oil - a tar pit. Anyone here ever hear of a thing called "bouyancy?" Geez.



    But I love the show. The sheer stupidity of the thing is overshadowed by the comic book fun of it all. I don't watch it for the science. I watch it for the adventure. So if the situations are a bit contrived, I look the other way. If you think about this show too hard, you'll quickly learn to hate it.
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    Apr 21, 2018, 8:33 AM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #273

    The mother is the absolute most annoying character. Even when the dad is trying to save them she can't help but insult him or throw a dig in at him. Judy is egotistical and refuses to listen to anyone. Dr. Smith, while a jerk, is the most interesting and entertaining character. Will and the Robot are my other favorites. The science on the show is beyond stupid at times. It's supposed to be -60 degrees and the ice freezes in moments but then it rains what we can only assume is h20. The show is good and I'm looking forward to another season, I just wish they'd stop writing the mother as an idiot that decides not to tell anyone anything half the time and I hope that the dad will command more of a position of respect in the next season. A lot of times characters became stupid just to move the story along. Like I saw Will and that beeping radio deal a mile away.
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    Apr 21, 2018, 4:20 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #274

    The mother is the absolute most annoying character.
    I would actually like to see "more" of her...

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    Apr 21, 2018, 4:41 PM - Re: Lost in Space (Netflix series) #275

    It's entertaining in a brainless kind of way. (I'm in episode 7) Not much science, and every three seconds some new threat manifests itself. The characters mostly waffle between being real and being plot driven morons.
    The main issue I have is with the pretend Dr. Smith. If her evil only appeared when she was in danger of being found out, rather than just pulling idiot maneuvers that only reinforce her evil, I'd be okay with it. She has no future value as a character, it's not like you can keep her around because she's got a particular skill set.
    The show is in danger of having the issue of the original, most of the characters are going to be hard to write for, only Will, the Robot, and Smith were particularly interesting. I hope I'm wrong, at least in this one West has minor moral dilemmas.
    I like the robot the best, and the Will kid can act. They can start killing any of the other cast members off just to be different and I'd be more impressed.

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