A clever subversion would have been to have Rey be the catalyst for Luke. He is a crazy melancholic old hermit and her persistence and attitude brings him to a point where he is ready to be a mentor again. She brings him out of his self-imposed exile so he can give back to the galaxy again. She gains something from it, he gains something from it, it keeps her in the spotlight, and Luke is redeemed in such a way that allows him to keep going.
The way it is written currently is just an inflated, poorly-written rewrite of OWK- Mentor making the sacrifice to ignite the protagonist.
This. The main point of Luke being on Dagobah with Yoda is for him to grow as a character, the audience doesn't only learn about the Force we learn a lot about Luke through his actions, the questions he asks, the doubts he has, etc. I think a smart way of changing the old master-apprentice pattern could have been to make Rey somehow pull him out of his sulking so that he's willing to take on her but realize that since he cut himself off from the Force it's not just flicking the switch back on. So in the end they need each other's help and the master ends up learning from the apprentice as well.
I think on the surface TLJ is a really fun movie. I have seen it six times now and every time I watch it i come out of it thinking "Yea, that's good movie". However, after I start digesting later what just saw it starts to disappoint me again. Very weird for a movie to do that. Hopefully you'll like it better after after a second showing. I really wanted to like this movie but I've given up after 6 attempts. Not sure I'll get it on DVD yet either. Good luck!
I've had this experience, namely Pirates 3 and Star Trek Into Darkness. I think the reason they work like this is because if you just follow the plot in linear way it looks okay. The way those were written is when we are getting to B we only look at A, when we are getting to C we only look back at B and so on, it's like Chinese whispers. There is no coherence or an overarching plot arc, the links in the chain are joined together yes, but they are not a proper chain, but a string of different hodgepodge individual links.
I have to say the Jabba part of ROTJ is like this too, you can follow the plot and the action as the individual characters come in one by one and what they do and why, but if you try and imagine how this was actually planned out in advance by the characters it starts to fall apart.
Don’t know if this is old news but the Star Wars show has a clip from a few deleted scenes, one including Rey running with the light saber, part of the 3rd tear
https://youtu.be/52L2HML5O1k
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This was apparently a long deleted sequence, as far as I remember Luke was trolling Rey. There was some noise and fire in the distance and Luke said it's just a band of pirates who come every once in a while to kill and sack the space-nuns. Rey was horrified and wanted to save them but Luke said there's no point because then the bandits will just come back later with even more force and kill everyone. Rey ran to help them regardless (scene from trailer) but it turned out that there was no pirates only the nuns having a house-party or something. Then Rey confronts Luke who says that was the third lesson to which Rey gets angry with Luke telling him that her friends are actually dying out there and he shouldn't joke with this and Luke becomes sad and embarrassed.
All they really need to do is let there have been some years pass for a new conflict to have arisen and work in some new mysteries needing answered. It's how Episode 4 started right in the thick of things. It could add something fresh to the excitement under the First Order since Kylo took the reigns. Time passage is important though so that we're not simply picking up from the very moment where it was left off.
Give some time for Rey and the new Rebellion to grow, and some time for Kylo to establish his new level of maturity and dominance in the galaxy as Supreme Leader.
This is exactly the thing. I'm sure this will happen and this is really the only logical way to start Ep9. The problem is that what's left hanging at the end of TLJ will be resolved in the title crawl.
- How will the Resistance grow
- How will Kylo solidify his control over the First Order
- What general direction will Rey go with her Jedi business
Potentially:
- What happened to Leia
Unless they start again right after TLJ then everything that was left there at the end and can grow into a story will have to be recapped in the first 10 minutes of the film. Which then leaves Ep9 to develop its own arc almost from scratch which is not exactly how the closing chapter of a trilogy works. Anything other than "let's go shoot Kylo and the First Order with lasers" will most probably feel ham-fisted and rushed because new directions will need to be introduced, developed and resolved within one movie. The only thing really that's still out there is the Knights of Ren. That's again why it would have been interesting to see Ren and Rey team up so that they would be caught pretty much in crossfire, Resistance would deffos be against them so would a large chunk of the FO if they learn they killed Snoke and the Knights of Ren could come and be after them, etc...