MrSouthpaw
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Then Rey amends that by telling Luke Skywalker that they've taken control of most of the systems outside the inner rim, meaning they have yet to take any of the major systems that are financially and strategically important, i.e. Coruscant, Onderon, Corellia, Kuat, really any of the big ship building and political planets. Furthermore, the First Order commits a considerable amount of might in their campaign against the Resistance. A dreadnought, several Star Destroyers, AND the First Order's flagship. It's a sizeable amount of war machine that could devastate the First Order if lost.
That's the exact thinking that destroyed the Empire. What imminent danger does one snub fighter have against a battle station? What imminent danger does a few fighters present to a massive dreadnought like the Executor?
It doesn't need to be. Just watch the movie.
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You'll notice the smaller Star Destroyers never venture far from the Executor. Not even when they're chasing the Falcon are they too far from the larger dreadnought. The only time they break away is when Vader orders it so the Executor may go to Bespin and cut ahead of Han and his crew and set a trap for Luke.
They did that, but then the First Order called the TIE's back. They state why in the movie, but I can't remember the reason they give.
The biggest one off the top of my head is why is it that whenever there's a planetary blockage, the ships always seem to surround one focal point (usually the capitol, or other location of importance to our Heroes) instead of surrounding the ENTIRE planet. The Empire does this at Hoth in the OT, both sides do it countless times in TCW and Rebels, the Trade Federation does it in TPM, and the Confederacy does it over Coruscant in RotS. We live in a 3D world, Why don't they ever just take off or enter the planet on the opposite side of the planet, away from the Star Destroyers? I think this was even lampooned in Family Guy's Something, Something, Darkside...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhfDokCf5-Q&t=109s
The Sith aren't a military command structure, nor are the Jedi. The Jedi usually followed their own commands, which was to protect the target... which they usually followed through on. Obi-Wan's mission was the protect Luke. That's why he stayed on that Force-forsaken planet. I think you completely missed the point of the movie. If you tried even a smidgen to pay attention, you might have learned something instead of having to have it explained to you. The movie doesn't have to hold your hand, you know.
It's called implicit story telling. I know the average American has the attention span of a rodent, but this is just woefully bad. Either you're being accidentally ignorant, or purposely obtuse, and I'm not sure which I dislike more.
Page turners they were not. I'm interested in whether she actually reads them, or keeps them just because Luke Skywalker thought them important.
The point was to inspire hope. That if one old Jedi could face down the might of the First Order, maybe they had a chance after all.
Touche.
And it doesn't match continuity... how? This movie is FULL of continuity and callbacks in everything from the dialogue to the costumes. Luke refers to the Emperor as Darth Sidious, how is this not keeping with PT continuity? We have a bunch of OT characters, how is this not keeping OT continuity? Heck,Rey's Jedi garb even LOOKS like something right out of the PT.
Oh, wonderful. "Implicit storytelling". Where you get to create all the head-canon you want.
How about we just stick to what is shown, instead of what we want to pretend is happening. I'lll go ahead and start with Ol' Huxster and his speech on Starkiller base.
"This fierce machine which you have built upon which we stand, will bring an end to the Senate! To their cherished fleet! All remaining systems will bow to the First Order! And will remember this... as the last day of the last republic."
Then they blowed up the "New Republic capital of Hosnian Prime, and four other planets in the Hosnian system, utterly destroying the planets and a significant portion of the New Republic's fleet."
Source, and the specific reference cites TFA itself.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base
So when they said the FO reigns in TLJ, they mean it reigns over the New Republic cause it got blowed up in TFA. But why would you remember that? It was only one of the biggest set pieces of the movie....:rolleyes
Speaking strictly of military strategy and leaving philosophical ramifications of Palpatine's pride/empire's fall out the door. The FO had more than plenty enough escorts and really could have sent a single SD ahead.
Ships have to launch pretty much from where they are on the planet. The SD's are in a geosynchronous/geostationary orbit. No matter what, the SD are over the place where the ships launch. And they can easily adjust orbit to intercept the vessels if they did actually try to fly through the atmosphere to the other side. The ISS orbits Earth (goes around the whole planet) 16 times a day and it doesn't have giant engines on the back.
You completely missed his point about motive. Also, ironic that you are telling him to pay attention when you yourself missed the fact that Hux blowed up the New Republic. They only destroyed about half a dozen worlds in one shot, why would you remember that?.....
As I've shown your version if "implicit storytelling" is to make up up as you go along from your head canon. And, again, ironic that you claim "the average American has the attention span of a rodent", when you can't even remember very large details from TFA.
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