Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 1963-present keys)

Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Thanks for the tips... Sorry if it had already been covered.


No it's alright actually. I never really thought much about it and I think it would be handy to consolidate modern key stuff here too.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

No it's alright actually. I never really thought much about it and I think it would be handy to consolidate modern key stuff here too.

If it's not too much bother posting the build here that would be awesome! Thanks again.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Thanks for the tips... Sorry if it had already been covered.


No, no trouble at all.

OK, thanks to Birdie we got these great pics from the 2009 Art of Doctor Who exhibit where the three chipped keys were displayed:
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Using the pictures we could get a rough approximation of the wiring of the keys though unfortunately due to the resolution we don't get all the details we need. This is my rough guess as to the layout:
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I wasn't entirely sure about the blue resistor keys wiring. It LOOKS like the black and red wire meet so that's why there's a question mark. Also between the two keys the pin #1 location appears to get reversed from one to another as well as several other wire position changes. Dunno why though. The key I decided to try out is apparently Maratha's key as seen by this screen capture of when she held up the key to show someone:
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You can make out the position of the red wire and the tan resistor. Originally I used an ERA key though I know that is incorrect now but here's the rest of the build anyway.

My rough layout to approximate the position of the main parts:
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TO do the chip I basically cut off the thinnest part of the chips pins and then sanded the rest down till it was flat with the underside of the chip then softened their edges a bit. You need to do this to keep the chip sitting as flush against the key as possible. One thing to note is that I used an actual SIM card pad that I removed and trimmed down and sanded the edges smooth and also sanded the pad thin on the back as well. I would hazard to guess that they might have used thin sheet brass, cut it and maybe etched the SIM card separation lines into it rather than use an actual SIM card but I did this anyway because hey, I can say I used actual SIM cards XD Here's my first assembly completed:
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I really was pleased with the finish on this:
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That's the underside where the SIM cards chip is very visible now and one thing I want to point out is that to keep everything in place while soldering, I just glued the corner of the chip the the very edge of the SIM card. You can see a small dab of it there just where the two parts meet. I also tried to line up the one leg of the chip on the corner of the SIM card pad enough so I could solder the leg to the pad directly. That way nothing would shift during assembly. One that was done I soldered the resistor to the chip and the other end of the resistor to the SIM card pad. Then the red wire and THEN the black wire last. When it was entirely assembled it sits pretty flat against the key. This is mainly due to how thin I sanded the SIM card pad and this is important:
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That SIM card pad is literally paper thin. Still strong due to there being some micro-thin fiberglass under it but thin. I could probably cut myself on that. Positioned on the key:
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I basically tried to get the same layout as the real key and used the positioning of the resistor to line everything up properly. There's still a few minor variances but it's really close. Finally permanently glued to the key and with a three-ply jute cord that matches the picture above:
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Like I said, I used an ERA key but the next keys I make will be on JMA's and if possible I'll transplant these parts onto the new key, failing that I may just sell it and start from scratch XD I started to make the blue resistor Key but I accidentally screwed up the SIM card and need to start over. XP Oh well.

Anyway I hope that helps.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Very very nice, thanks again. Will definitely come back for reference.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

@Straker

Like TimeyWhimyStuff said, thanks for posting.

If I ever decide to turn my hand to building a DW replica, this looks like a relatively easy project to start with (stress relatively as model/crafting skills aren't my strongest suit).

Will also keep this post bookmarked for future reference.

Cheers!
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

So I got my keys not that long ago and after reading what Straker said about them being tough to sand I decided to ask my lab guys at work for help. I got 4 keys and plan on blanking three of them to keep one SA for that Blink scene (told you I would cave Straker!).

This is the first blanked key, when he does the other two I'll be off to the locksmith to get them cut to fit my lock. My lab guy said they were harder than he even thought they might be. But 20 minutes in his hands and this is what I got! They are more shiny than I expected so I may hit one up with sand paper a bit to dull it or let that happen naturally. All in all though, I'm very happy.

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Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Thanks! Yeah I was really impressed with his work. I'm hoping he'll have the others done this week so I can get them cut asap.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

@Terrasolo - Looks great man I should have my JMA keys either today or tomorrow. Freaking snail mail.

@Straker - Sorry to bother you with 1 more question but do you happen to know which carrier SIM card you used? Been looking at different ones & they all have slightly varied grid patterns on them.. Found a Boost mobile SIM bundle on Ebay for pretty cheap which I think looks right but thought I'd if you happen to remember?
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

@Straker

Like TimeyWhimyStuff said, thanks for posting.

If I ever decide to turn my hand to building a DW replica, this looks like a relatively easy project to start with (stress relatively as model/crafting skills aren't my strongest suit).

Will also keep this post bookmarked for future reference.

Cheers!

Hey guys, that's what this forum is supposed to be here for. Sharing info on props. I am not a fan of a forum like this being used for telling people "I know a secret about this prop but I'm not gonna tell you" XD

Thanks! Yeah I was really impressed with his work. I'm hoping he'll have the others done this week so I can get them cut asap.

Yeah that looks really decent. I wouldn't sand it from what he did there though. I think it looks good that way.

@Terrasolo - Looks great man I should have my JMA keys either today or tomorrow. Freaking snail mail.

@Straker - Sorry to bother you with 1 more question but do you happen to know which carrier SIM card you used? Been looking at different ones & they all have slightly varied grid patterns on them.. Found a Boost mobile SIM bundle on Ebay for pretty cheap which I think looks right but thought I'd if you happen to remember?

I have NO idea if they even used a real SIM card. XD Like I said in the posts, they might have just taken thin sheet brass, etched the pad separation lines and then cut it. I have no info saying whether they used real SIM cards or not, it's just what I did to say that I did. XD I will say that I used T-mobile SIM pads though because I like how smooth the wafer pads are. AT&T are also nice though I screwed up on the only one of those I had. Doesn't matter really, most of them sell for a buck or less on eBay.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

It's not that I want to scuff it completely, it's sort of hard to explain. I see in the pics grain lines in an upward motion. Could be wrong but thought I would replicate what i saw. But the more I thought about it yesterday the more I decided against it anyway. The work my lab did was just too nice.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Happy coincidence: I had to get a new door key cut today and I've just looked.. it's a JMA. All I need now is a Tardis.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

I think this means your home is a TARDIS!
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

So i had to the time to get my keys cut. I'm very happy with the work my lab did but I do have a piece of advice for those of you attempting to blank the keys. I suggest getting the keys cut for your lock first THEN blank them of the logo.

The reason I say this is because I went to a locksmith that we use at my work and since most keys are brass, brass shavings ended up on the grip pads that hold the keys for cutting. After the key was cut the sanded head had brass shavings embedded into the surface. It was no problem for my lab guys to buff out but it was a bit counter productive to have to do it twice.

The keys I had cut that were not sanded before hand did not have any issue with brass shavings getting stuck. Which is why I suggested doing the blanking last. Anyway, here are my keys, left to right:
1) Standard ERA key unsanded (as seen in Series 1 and a few times after)
2) JMA key unsanded (Blink style)
3) Sanded JMA key (as seen since Series 2 - certainly 3 - and on)

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Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

I notice there's a difference in the 'A' between your JMA key and mine. The A on mine is sloping left with an added triangle thingy above right. Looks like that's how the one in 'Blink' is, too. Wonder why the difference?
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Huh, that is interesting. I see exactly what you mean. I wonder if it is the difference between their UK and US manufacturers. The key is identical to my ERA as far as fitting the lock. And from what I can tell from the pics Straker and you posted to mine, there is no other difference. At least not one to worry about if you are sanding the logo off.

I would like to find out why the logo is different but thankfully the keys are the same otherwise as for my purposes they will be sanded.

EDIT: I actually see another difference in the angle of the tip of the key. Not a huge issue for me again but of I do want a Sally key from that scene I would buy from a UK source.

I also contacted the company to ask about this difference. Will be interesting to see what they say.
 
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Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Finally got my Rose key put together this weekend, need to invest in a LOT of sandpaper so I can start blanking my JMA's.

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Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Little info on the JMA keys, I saw another today and it seems there's two sizes. The smaller one has the little triangle next to the A, the larger one doesn't. I'll try and get a pic at some point.
 
Re: Yale and ERA Tardis Key Research (Info for the 2005-present keys)

Still trying to find an ERA key in Florida! I see them in the order catalogs, but the local distributers don't seem to carry them! I did find a "HERO" key, and one with ESP!:behave
 
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