MonsieurTox
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Haha now we know how worked the S-foil mechanism !
With rubber band ! :lol
With rubber band ! :lol
X-Wing Research: Differences Between the Hero and Pyro Models
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M. Tox, a rubber motor is still a motor. 
Ray and Beaz, my god, this thread is still rocking so hard. I love the vacuform idea. Even if it isn't correct, it should be! It accounts for the differences in the torp tube locations and the different chip detailing and really explains why the 'butt plate' edges are so different!
Cheers,
Martyn
Ray and Beaz, my god, this thread is still rocking so hard. I love the vacuform idea. Even if it isn't correct, it should be!
It accounts for the differences in the torp tube locations and the different chip detailing and really explains why the 'butt plate' edges are so different!Cheers,
Martyn
Hey gang, does anyone know how many heroes had the two triangular styrene chips on the upper forward fuselage? Red 1 and Red 5 had them, while Red 2 has them nearer the cockpit. IIRC Red 3 doesn't have them at all.
Can anyone (maybe Jason?) say whether Red 4 had them? The pyros do, right? If only Red 1 and Red 5 had these then perhaps it narrows down the origins of the pyro hull a bit?
Can anyone (maybe Jason?) say whether Red 4 had them? The pyros do, right? If only Red 1 and Red 5 had these then perhaps it narrows down the origins of the pyro hull a bit?
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Hey Martyn. From reference I have, of all the pyros, Red 5, Red 1 and Red 4, probably because it was a "pyro" kit buildup dressed out as a hero, each had the stacked triangle panels on the port side. Red 2 has them starboard, under the canopy. Red 3 does not sport the stacked triangles but has one on each side in approximately the same location, both located inside, near the top edge of the red stripe.
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I love the vacuform idea. Even if it isn't correct, it should be!
Consider it verified. Ray called it.
Agreed. Hey, did you notice - there are two white styrene lower fuselages on the bench in one of the new "armature" shots. Can't believe I didn't notice that sooner.
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Thanks Beaz. I'm going to assume 'red cockpit' had them too then, because it also looks like a 'nice' pyro buildup (proper masking for the wing stripes, compared to the 'rough as guts' look on the pyro Red 4. Also has the latex-dab paint chipping technique). Red cockpit has an interesting difference in one of the wings also. Looks like a faulty casting that was just too good to throw away.
Cheers,
Martyn
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Hell yeah, Martyn, good eye! Between this and all of the other evidence turned up over the past few weeks, I'd say that if anyone wants to argue that the bottom halves of the hero fuselages were foam resin, they better bring some convincing evidence.
Great work!
What about similarities? I am after a better ILM cockpit. Whatever came from the Icons version has been heavily modified. Check out Treadwell's PH Pyro photoshoot:
http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/Treadwell_Jay/SW models PH Disney 2003/
Here's one:
It matches the Chronicles shot of the X Wing "kit parts" on the pavement w/fuselage split into halves. This same photograph appears in Sculpting a Galaxy as well. The PH pyro looks as though it shares the same 2 part construction. Now compare this same cockpit to the photos of the Hero Red 3. It looks identical. Would they have bothered to create a seperate master cockpit and droid strip just for the pyros?
No, seems unlikely, they're probably shared. We know the engines were cast right from the start, so the cockpit and R2 strip are parts I've always assumed were cast on all the models. Not sure whether the pyro Phantom engines and the hero Phantom engines are from the same mould though - is there a pic somewhere or other showing the Phantom engines looking a bit different on a pyro? I might be thinking of a knockoff.
Because Blue 1 had variant engines and no cockpit (at first), this indicates the moulds for these parts were made after it was sent to England and before the other models were finished up, right?
Wouldn't it be great to get a look at a high-res copy of the "pavement" parts pics! The damn things are only printed at the size of postage stamps.
Good topic.
Because Blue 1 had variant engines and no cockpit (at first), this indicates the moulds for these parts were made after it was sent to England and before the other models were finished up, right?
Wouldn't it be great to get a look at a high-res copy of the "pavement" parts pics! The damn things are only printed at the size of postage stamps.
Good topic.
MonsieurTox
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Hero and pyro engines are both castings but Hero engines are 2 halves glued together while the pyro are one part (F4 turkey feathers included, unlike the CC/Salzo kit). The mold line is clearly visible on pyro engines. This line is very rough so I guess it was a one part mold then they cut the mold roughly to remove the castings.
They probably used hero engine castings to build the pyro master though !
Yeah I do think the same, Blue Leader was a kind of prototype and I think they used true kitparts for the engines, then when they had to "mass produce" the X-Wing they build new engine masters...
Thanks, Julien. I know that some pyro recasts have "new" Phantom engines, and couldn't remember whether that was what I was thinking of, or whether the originals were single-piece too. Are you going from the "pavement" pics, or a good closeup of a pyro, though? Could it be that the engines in the pavement pics are just already assembled? I'm just throwing that out, it seems much more likely to have been as you say.
That R2 strip mould sure got a workout though. I wonder if the butt plate moulds was ever used the same way (DS surface, droids, etc) - anyone seen any examples?
That R2 strip mould sure got a workout though. I wonder if the butt plate moulds was ever used the same way (DS surface, droids, etc) - anyone seen any examples?
Have you looked at the end of this thread ? I posted up some photo's I have.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=55673&page=10
Whats a Pavement pic btw ?
It is the shot of the pyro parts fresh in primer... there are sunglasses in there too. Its higher res in Sculpting a Galaxy.
MonsieurTox
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Martyn,
I think that's a single piece because on the 4 engines of Red 4 we can clearly see the same mold line going from the tip (which connect to the saturn can) to the turkey feathers, since that's not a straight line and because it's exactly the same on the four engines, I think that's the mold line !
Ill try to see if I can spot this line on other pyro engines !
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