X-Men First Class Movie Discussion

[Larry Young]

Well, considering that some people can be drawn out of a story by glaring inconsistencies from what came before...

**** those people. Watch the movie you're watching. You'd think X-Men fans would be used to ridiculous conflicting storylines by now, anyway.

Yours is no better than mine...

That's not strictly true. Mine are obviously better than yours, by virtue of being mine.

:lol

Seriously, people still feel the need to point this out on message boards? It's 2011, everyone. Of course it's all opinion.

 

[MooCriket]

Let's face it, how can you ever dream of winning an argument against a guy wearing an awesome helmet such as that? That's right, it can't be done.

 

[Seabass]

just to keep people from getting confused, the Angel in this movie is not the same character most people know as Angel in X-Men

Angel Salvadore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

chick with bug powers

 

[EvilRocketeer]

Me, neither. And I always thought Mystique was Nightcrawler's sister..

well, since mommy (mystique) and daddy (azazel) are in this film....maybe we will see the making of nightcrawler :love

kinda disappointed no cyclops....the previous x-men triliogy made him out to be a ****** and he was barely in it.....now, we have his brother....no love for the leader

absolutely love the magneto helmet

 

[BoozeBeGood]

Yes, the Magneto helmet and the SR-71 Blackbird are my favorite things from this so far. I always hated Magneto's helmet from the other X-Men movies

 

[nickytea]

Parenthetically, I really wish people would give the whole "canon" thing a rest. A good story is a good story, and if it conflicts with something that's come before, tough ****. Continuity can kiss my ass.

I've never agreed with anything more.
Continuity is an illusion.

 

[allosaur176]

Looks a little big for his head

absolutely love the magneto helmet

 

[Jet Beetle]

"Me give you chop chop!!" Man that looks stupid. Both the bucket and the face.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

**** those people. Watch the movie you're watching. You'd think X-Men fans would be used to ridiculous conflicting storylines by now, anyway.

Seriously. How many different retellings have the X-Men comics had? If there is one solid bit of continuity in that series after the Claremont/Byrne days, I would love to see it.

This isn't Star Wars, man!

 

[Wolfie]

I've never agreed with anything more.
Continuity is an illusion.

With the way there are so many "alternate universe" story lines in the comics anymore anyway, I just watch things because I love the characters . As long as the story doesnt suck.

I didnt completely hate Wolverine: Origins anyway, even though ti was completely full of random.

 

[firesprite]

Seriously. How many different retellings have the X-Men comics had? If there is one solid bit of continuity in that series after the Claremont/Byrne days, I would love to see it.

This isn't Star Wars, man!

Even Star Wars has retcons. Witness what they're doing to Karen Traviss' amazing Republic Commando novels. :angry

Anyway, one thing that has NEVER changed in X-continuity is the first group of X-Men. Still, that being said, I'll see this and reserve judgement until then.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Even Star Wars has retcons. Witness what they're doing to Karen Traviss' amazing Republic Commando novels. :angry

Eh...that's the EU. What are they doing to the novels? Are you talking about what the Clone Wars cartoon has done to Mandalore?

 

[firesprite]

Eh...that's the EU. What are they doing to the novels? Are you talking about what the Clone Wars cartoon has done to Mandalore?

They may be EU, but they're LucasFilm accepted canon. They're basically taking everything she's done (creating the Mandalorian culture, language, flshing out the background and culture of the clones) and tossing it out.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I am not a fan of it either. Sadly, when you are allowed to play in someone else's snowglobe, they will occasionally shake it up.

 

[Larry Young]

They may be EU, but they're LucasFilm accepted canon.

This kind of thing cracks me up. There are six movies, with an interlaced storyline. There is no "canon." There is no "apocrypha." There are six movies. Everything else is ancillary, and old cranks like me might even call it surplus to requirements.

Enjoy what you want, but unless the audience admits everything happened, it's just easier to watch the six movies and enjoy the other stuff dim sum style.

Otherwise, you end up with stuff like this as having officially "happened:"

...and no one wants that, do they? :lol

 

[firesprite]

This kind of thing cracks me up. There are six movies, with an interlaced storyline. There is no "canon." There is no "apocrypha." There are six movies. Everything else is ancillary, and old cranks like me might even call it surplus to requirements.

Enjoy what you want, but unless the audience admits everything happened, it's just easier to watch the six movies and enjoy the other stuff dim sum style.

Otherwise, you end up with stuff like this as having officially "happened:"

...and no one wants that, do they? :lol

Heh. I'll grant you that. However, by that logic, (Star Wars is primarily 6 movies and all else is ancillary), the X-comics are the only canon that should count and all movies should be disregarded which comes back to my original point: The FIRST lineup of X-men has never changed in canon.

 

[Larry Young]

Heh. I'll grant you that. However, by that logic, (Star Wars is primarily 6 movies and all else is ancillary), the X-comics are the only canon that should count and all movies should be disregarded...

Well, no. By my logic, comics are comics and movies are movies, and as long as whatever story you're talking about remains internally-consistent it doesn't matter.

I think my circuit breaker on this issue finally tripped with the Star Trek movie and the swirl of agita I had to endure amongst close friends and acquaintances. There was a whole bunch of hair-pulling going on and I just couldn't take it. There's the show, and then there's the movie. They're separated by fifty years. Of course they're going to be different!

And that's how I feel about this. I'm just glad Kevin Bacon's in it; it'll help with Six Degrees.

 

[Jet Beetle]

The real reason for all of this rebooting and alternate storytelling is that Marvel is getting back all the rights to their characters - X-Men: first class is Marvels, Brian Singer's X-Men was banked by Fox. Tobey's Spiderman/ Sony - Garfield's will be banked by Marvel. The first Wolverine was Fox, the new one is - you guessed it. Pretty sloppy storytelling that is being dictated by a changing of hands. I don't mind when cannon is tossed out on a movie being done with a significant gap between it's predecessor - but these films should be easier to connect. The problem is most of the films they make suck and then they simply go back with an eraser and say "Sorry about that - this next one will be the one you've been waiting for." And then that one sucks too. To go back and discount their first attempts is foolish - just build on it and let the movies grow. But they've already gained loyalty from fans without having to work for it like you did in the old days. It used to take tv shows a season or two to catch on - and I'm talking about shows that are considered recent classics now. We here in the disposable age don't play that.

 

[Larry Young]

I don't mind when cannon is tossed out on a movie being done with a significant gap between it's predecessor - but these films should be easier to connect.

How do you feel about all the various Felix Leiters? :lol

 

[BDK]

Eh, they can mess with the canon ideas all they want, its this fellas telling of a story about the X-Men so let him do it how he wants and if its good we'll all love it.


Even with Spiderman, I'll probably love it after we see a trailer or something, just still images are hard to judge a movie on.