Wolverine Dog Tags Research

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  1. nick daring

    nick daring Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I was inspired by Mara Jade's Father's current run/development of accurate Wolverine Dog Tags to sit down and do some proper research on these. The one's out there now just don't seem 100% spot on and it's nice to see a definitive dog tag replica finally be made.

    I went through both of the X films featuring the prop and capped the best sequences. I then cropped, rotated, resized and lightened the images to show the details.

    These are the best screenshots from X-men 1-
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    Also I just love this sequence-
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    Also, here's an X1 Dog Tag that went up for auction through Profiles in History a few years ago-
    Wolverine's dog tag from X-Men - Prop Archives : original movie props, screen used wardrobe

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    In the auction the size stated is "approx. 1 1/2 in. x 3/4 in." which is slightly different than offical Canadian dog tags. Is this just bad measuring done by the auctioneers or did they reduce the size a bit to make the actor look bigger?


    X2: X-Men United Dog Tag-
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    X2 got rid of the smaller loop of ball chain and has it just hanging from the single chain.

    Also there was a Wolverine dog tag set sold at Profiles in History that is from X2 according to the description-

    Hugh Jackman Wolverine dog tag display from X-2 : Lot 1012

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    As far as I'm concerned, the Wolverine movie doesn't even exist. Nuff said.

    Anybody else have any good info or reference for this central prop?


    Nick
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2012
  2. nick daring

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    Did the dog tags make an appearance in X3?

    Wolvie symbolically throws them away at the end of X2 and I can't remember them appearing in part 3.

    Nick
     
  3. superDrool

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    WOW!! Those are THEE best shots of the dogtags I've ever seen!! But then again, I expect that from you, Mr. Daring. :)


    Nope, they were lost in the snow with Stryker left to rot. That was the closure Logan wanted and that was end of the Weapon X subplot, and it was meant to symbolize that he had found what he was looking for in Alberta.
     
  4. nick daring

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    Oh I wish that had been the end of the weapon X story... :/

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    Nick
     
  5. superDrool

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    XO doesn't count, it's a prequel, not in the trilogy so technically the Weapon X was not in the rest of the story line. And it's garbage... so it was a complete retcon of story and especially to the Canadian story arc and tag. Complete and utter crap it was... So I don't even count this one. ;)
     
  6. nick daring

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    Looking at that X2 auction dog tag I think it might not match up with the others spot on. Some of the lettering looks a little bit 'off'. It may have been a test to see if a normal canadian dog tag would work for the scene but it looks like it didn't break cleanly lke in the film.

    Also look at the frame where the two are about to be snapped in two. I think it's two copies of the same "Hero" dog tags super glued together. The edges on the center hole don't line up perfectly if you look closely. The center hole isn't a perfect oval in fact. I think slant downard slightly.

    I'll mock up a graphic of the dog tag to show what I mean.

    Nick
     
  7. superDrool

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    Re: Screen Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags

    I see what you mean. I never noticed that. Pretty crazy that a still can spill the beans on a quick prop gag set-up.

    And stamping on those Canadian tags takes alot of pressure, as they are twice as thick as US tags. Standard CA tags are engraved due to the thickness and hardness. I was actually surprised the first time I saw the stamped font on the tags. Somehow the designed "break-away" pre-etched line doens't work....I've tried and they only bent. I had to dremmel the tags apart. As you can see with that jagged mess.
     
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  8. nick daring

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    Did a little "work" on the auction dog tag images to bring out details and straighten them up a bit.

    X1 on top. X2 tags on the Bottom.
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    Nick
     
  9. superDrool

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    MJF ...or anyone really,

    Any chance of doing some kind of overlay on the top tag to verify an accurate image for spacing on the tag?
     
  10. mandio222

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    Re: Accurate Wolverine Dog Tags


    hahaha love that photo
     
  11. superDrool

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    I don't. It sums up the $hitfest that is XO.
     
  12. superDrool

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    hmm...if anything I'd say the hole needs to be dropped down a MM or two and the grouped numbers need to be closer together. I happened to noticed that the die that was used had an offset number 2, and it's ever so slightly lower than the rest. Does anyone else see that?
     
  13. nick daring

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    Yeah, once I pulled all this reference together I did notice a few kerning issues and a couple letter/number forms that could be tweaked alittle in MJF's design.

    Been meaning to work up my own blueprint but have been bogged down with a couple illustration jobs.

    I hate when the real world gets in the way of fun hobby stuff.

    Gimme another day or so and I should have something to post up.

    Nick
     
  14. Mara Jade's Father

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    This is my latest version I did a few weeks ago. It is not reflected in the concept art. The changes is the placement of the "W" and I.

    This is a lot like the BSG tags I did. You either got to find one and stick with it or idealize it with a mix of all versions.
     
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  15. nick daring

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    Much better! Are you building your vectors in illustrator?

    Yeah you definitely have to average out some of the elements from the two movies' design specs.

    My only main comments left would be-

    Check the downward swoop on your "2" form. It should "hook" instead of the straight line you have.

    The curve on the "5" is less "boxy" than you have. It's "Swoop" is kinda similar to the "3"'s swoop.

    Also the baseline for the characters isn't as perfectly lined up as you have it. The stamped letters kinda hop up and down on each charaacter a bit and give a nice clunky stamped feel. For instance the "L" drops way down compared to the "O" next to it. THe top of the "5" floats above the "8" a good strokes' width too.

    Small fiddley stuff like that. I'm a typography/design geek, so this weird stuff really tickles my brain and again I really want to see an end all - be all DEFINITIVE set of tags finally happen.

    Nick
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2012
  16. superDrool

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    I see what you mean Nick, and I agree 100% on those minute details that still need tweaking.
     
  17. Mara Jade's Father

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    Just remember not all those tags posted here are the same. So some things may not look right depending on which one you use for reference.
     
  18. nick daring

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    Awesome revision!

    I threw up the new design next to the two big Hero shots in the two movies. (removed the day glow pink though.)

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    I think you've totally captured the feel of the movie tag.

    Maybe beef up the line weight a smidge... but just barely... and just maybe.

    I can totally live with that dog tag in my collection. Way to nail it, bub. :thumbsup

    Can't wait to see the run happen!

    Nick
     
  19. superDrool

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    This right here IS my Red Bull. :cool

    Still promoting this on Filmjackets.com and Facebook...
     
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  20. nick daring

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    Red Bull?

    Nick
     
  21. superDrool

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    ya know...go juice/pick-me-up, this sharing the passion of something seen on screen and being able to make it tangible. Gets me geared up. ;)
     
  22. nick daring

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    Oh right. Gotcha!

    Nick
     
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    I recently rewatched all the "making of" stuff on the x-men 1.5 DVD set looking for any additional dog tag reference. Sadly none was none to be had. There was a cool segment regarding the movies premiere on liberty island though. They made dog tag "tickets" that everybody was wearing for admission. They look pretty cool.

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    Nick
     
  24. superDrool

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    How did I miss that?? That is cool. I wonder if that was Bryan Singer's idea, as there was alot of custom merchandise for each film, like hoodies, hats, jackets with the film font of X-Men on it.
     
  25. nick daring

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    here's a few taken from the bluray.

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  27. nick daring

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    Some more recent photos from Auctions and such-
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  28. harmfulAdam

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    The funny thing about his tag is that it would actually be upside down on a Canadian tag :facepalm :lol
     
  29. JKKS

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    I love the rusty versions.
    It gives them an uncanny life like feel. :thumbsup
     
  30. Mara Jade's Father

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    that "3" is not a version I have seen on screen.
     
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