I'll put my version up against any Bates X2 any day of the week...in the details and the quality (and mine at half the price). And be happy to see those two go head to head for the next 50 years and see whose holds up better.
I realize you're backing Vanson quality here, but are also saying Bates has lower quality materials and craftsmanship? Do you know something I don't?
As for pointed shoulder problem, the training of the sleeves is a minor issue as Bowelrock and I have proven. Moreso on Bowelrock's jacket than my own. So it's not as huge of an issue as it seems to be. But I can see how others would want a perfect fit out of the box, and I can't really blame them for that.
I just want to give Heron some credit where it's due. I call it as I see it, and I see great jobs from both Dan/Vanson and Jorge/Heron, here. Vanson is clearly more experienced and has Dan on their side, and having to be able to talk to the actual jacket maker Jorge is a rare treat to be here taking everyone's input and being so positive and receptive to the criticism. Heron is the underdog and I'd like to see them do great things with this jacket among others in their future lines of leather wear. I chose them because of their price to quality ratio as well as their customer service, which cannot be beat in my opinion.
I know...singing their praises, and all this time, I've been doing this because I believe in the what they are capable of. I've seen them overcome probably the hugest obstacle a small...hell, any company for that matter, to become something I can stand behind. I've been to Vanson, and I see what they can do, amazing things...
I respect Dan and am blown away by all the film jackets he has given us oogle and drool over (pun sorta intended). All I'm saying I guess, is that I just wanted to point that this feels like some kind of competition (in a way it is financially and professionally) but at the same time seems lop sided, askewed with too many opinions and bad mouthing each other.
I'll hop of that tiny soapbox, I randomly found...:angel