Woah...Corey Haim dead.
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Have to agree with Streetjudge on this. We do the same job and have probably seen many of the same things. This isn't a tragedy. It is unfortunate but this is a preventable death. We shouldn't be making a martyr out of Mr Haim....He was a role model afterall. Wouldn't want my children emulating his life....
He is not a victim. He made choices and those choices consumed and killed him.
He is not a victim. He made choices and those choices consumed and killed him.
takevin
Sr Member
agent5
Sr Member
Bingo.
This is a good way of putting it. I don't think anyone is making a martyr out of him tho. Just not agreeing with the 'screw him' attitude. What if this were one of your family or friends? I doubt some of you would be so callous.
This...
...is just cold. It really seems that although you say you have an understanding of addiction, your words don't seem to indicate that.
Street, have you always had this sort of attitude...maybe a seemingly positive prerequisite for your job...or do you think your job has given you this outlook?
The pivotal point here seems to be the value of human life over all else. There is a funeral today in my Province for a fellow fallen officer who was shot and killed by a 70 year old man. The officer was only 36 and had 3 children. The shooter is still alive in hospital. He took another life as a willful act. Mr. Haim essentially took his life also as a willful act.
Is the shooter's life still valuable? Is he a contributing member of society? Think not....
Is the shooter's life still valuable? Is he a contributing member of society? Think not....
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Where did this idea that a life only matters if it's contributing something come from ?
Come to think of it do you know this mans 70 year history ? do you know what he has contributed in those 70 years ? or are future contributions all that matter ? a lifes only worth something as long as it can keep contributing ?
And who decides what's considered contributing ?
And before anyone says it no i am not saying this guy should be let off for taking a life, but as you bought it up i just wanted some clarification on the whole contributing question in general.
And i seriously doubt Haim willfully took his life, there are more efficient ways to commit suicide, drug use does not always mean death, it's a risk yes but then so is crossing the street.
If someone gets mowed down crossing the street does that qualify as them willfully taking their life ? i think for most people it would be considered an accident.
Come to think of it do you know this mans 70 year history ? do you know what he has contributed in those 70 years ? or are future contributions all that matter ? a lifes only worth something as long as it can keep contributing ?
And who decides what's considered contributing ?
And before anyone says it no i am not saying this guy should be let off for taking a life, but as you bought it up i just wanted some clarification on the whole contributing question in general.
And i seriously doubt Haim willfully took his life, there are more efficient ways to commit suicide, drug use does not always mean death, it's a risk yes but then so is crossing the street.
If someone gets mowed down crossing the street does that qualify as them willfully taking their life ? i think for most people it would be considered an accident.
OldKen
Master Member
Im glad I have people online to tell me that I support crack because a friend of a friend died of pneumonia. ( I honestly didn't think that I did!)
I just think some people need to keep their negative opinions to themselves sometimes... excercise the same self control that your telling others to... you want to be omnipotent and make a point here as bad as any addict has ever wanted to hit the pipe!
No one knows exactly went on his last year or so... only the what the BS tabloid B...S.... is saying.
For the last time...
What he put his friends and family through the last decade or so is about the worst thing in the world!!!!! ..-/! :angry
I do NOT support it, I do NOT condone it. Drugs are BAD MMM K?
Whats really sad is that no one is talking about the REAL facts...
He was PRESCRIBED the stuff he was addicted to in his final years! Crack/coke was WAY back from what I have been told.
What they were trying to get him to quit was LEGAL oxycontin xanex etc. and LEGAL alchohol! BOOK HIM DAN-O! OH WAIT...
It still doesnt make his substance abuse OK in my book by ANY means...
But to me... you know who is as bad as the damn drug dealers on the streets? The fact that our Govt. lets these SOB pharmaceutical companys pour out as many oxycontins (legal.... LEGAL heroin) as the dealers on the street, or the hollywood addicts can buy up!!! With no real restrictions or census/tally of how many people actually need the "medication" because they are near death and in horrible pain... not just any hollywood ******* who "has a bad back" :rolleyes
Unfortunately our F'd up legal system doesnt give a crap about what lives they destroy, as long as there is money flowing in. And it does... and its BIG buisness.
AMERICA F YEAH! :angel
I can type this till Im blue in the face but the high and mighty will just read...
"CRACK GOOD! MMMM I LIKE CRACK!" (quote from ME so I've been told!)
Judge not... err... I guess you can?
My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends. Even though some think I should be reveling in their loss. :sleep
And God bless you ALL. I truly mean that. Some of you I just... don't understand.
And I am thankful for our police. For you, I pray for your safety, intellegence, and strength for all of your days.
PEACE!
Ken
I just think some people need to keep their negative opinions to themselves sometimes... excercise the same self control that your telling others to... you want to be omnipotent and make a point here as bad as any addict has ever wanted to hit the pipe!
No one knows exactly went on his last year or so... only the what the BS tabloid B...S.... is saying.
For the last time...
What he put his friends and family through the last decade or so is about the worst thing in the world!!!!! ..-/! :angry
I do NOT support it, I do NOT condone it. Drugs are BAD MMM K?
Whats really sad is that no one is talking about the REAL facts...
He was PRESCRIBED the stuff he was addicted to in his final years! Crack/coke was WAY back from what I have been told.
What they were trying to get him to quit was LEGAL oxycontin xanex etc. and LEGAL alchohol! BOOK HIM DAN-O! OH WAIT...
It still doesnt make his substance abuse OK in my book by ANY means...
But to me... you know who is as bad as the damn drug dealers on the streets? The fact that our Govt. lets these SOB pharmaceutical companys pour out as many oxycontins (legal.... LEGAL heroin) as the dealers on the street, or the hollywood addicts can buy up!!! With no real restrictions or census/tally of how many people actually need the "medication" because they are near death and in horrible pain... not just any hollywood ******* who "has a bad back" :rolleyes
Unfortunately our F'd up legal system doesnt give a crap about what lives they destroy, as long as there is money flowing in. And it does... and its BIG buisness.
AMERICA F YEAH! :angel
I can type this till Im blue in the face but the high and mighty will just read...
"CRACK GOOD! MMMM I LIKE CRACK!" (quote from ME so I've been told!)
Judge not... err... I guess you can?
My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends. Even though some think I should be reveling in their loss. :sleep
And God bless you ALL. I truly mean that. Some of you I just... don't understand.
And I am thankful for our police. For you, I pray for your safety, intellegence, and strength for all of your days.
PEACE!
Ken
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I think his prior 70 years are null and void. He took the life of an innocent person sworn to serve the public. Man was just doing his job. I can probably fill in the prior 70 years myself. I'm sure he was a great guy who just decided one day to kill a cop.....come on.
I'm sorry to see that being a police officer seems to have eroded your humanity. I have 4 police officers in my family, all in New York City, and not one of them have the attitude you guys have about drug users or perps in general, and if they did, they would be kicked off the force real quick.
SVTStingRay
Sr Member
drugs r bad mkay
frightzone_4_you
Well-Known Member
That attitude is the problem with some cops... they think they are high & mighty... then they wonder why most of us don't respect them! I always enjoyed Silver Bullet... Corey was great in that movie, may he RIP
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frightzone_4_you
Well-Known Member
:rolleyes
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
And you are THE PROBLEM with to days society.
Where do these dolts get their morals? :confused WHY are they allowed to speak? ... breath? Good god the world has officially gone to ****E... :angry
Gigatron
Sr Member
If you knowingly run across the street, against the "Don't Walk" sign, thinking you can dodge traffic, then yes, you qualify as willfully taking your life.
And that's what taking illegal drugs is tantamount to - trying to dodge on-coming traffic. The thrill of not getting hit by city bus might be pretty high, but don't ask people to be all surprised and and really disappointed when you dodge the bus, but get squashed by the Mack truck behind it, that you didn't notice.
When you negligently take illegal drugs, or even highly regulated presciption drugs, you know there's a chance that something bad (including death) can result. Is it sad that you died by your own actions? Sure. Should everyone who saw it coming for years, really be disappointed - especially when you were given numerous chances to save yourself? Probably, not so much.
In all honestly, I'm not happy or sad about Haim's situation. No different than when you read the obituaries in the paper. It's sad that they're dead, but I can't say that I'M sad. I didn't know Haim any better than I knew any of the other hundreds of people that die each week.
-Fred
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Using your argument then one could say that the officer shot by the 70 year old man and killed willfully took his own life too then, i mean if you go confronting men with guns the risk is you'll get shot.
See how stupid that is ? just because there is an element of risk of dying in any situation it doesn't equate to willfully taking your own life.
And i see everyone avoided answering the question i actually asked which was why is a life only of worth if that person is contributing something and what constitutes a contribution worthy of living ?
takevin
Sr Member
Gigatron
Sr Member
The truly stupid part is, is that you don't recognize the difference between inherent risk and willfully gambling with your life.
If I stand on the street corner and wait for the signal to change, there's a small chance that a car will hop the curb and hit me. If I try running across on-coming traffic, my chances of getting hit, go up a hundred-fold. And if I do get hit, it's my fault - not the on-coming traffic's.
If I'm walking down the street, there's a small chance that some loon with a gun may take a shot at me. If I see a loon with a gun and run up and confront him, there's a pretty damn good chance he's going to shoot me. Again, a situation I've created for myself.
Cops know the risk of the job, but they're also trained to prepare for those type of situations. Plus, they wear bullet proof vests, in the off chance that somebody might shoot at them. And with the 70 year old, we don't know a thing about the circumstances. Did the cop know the guy had a gun? Did the guy look harmless and then pull the gun on the cop as he approached?
At what point do you start taking responsibility for your own actions, DST? Or are you always a victim of circumstance and all of your problems are someone else's fault?
-Fred
ob1al
Sr Member
It's always sad when somebody young dies. It's sad for his family and friends.
It feels somehow relevant too, to those of us who were kids in the 70's and 80's, to those of us who enjoyed Silver Bullet, The Lost Boys and so on and have memories of those movies as part of that era, a small part of life's rich tapestry, but some happy memories with those films, for me.
I didn't know Haim. Met him at a con, very briefly, a few years ago. He seemed like an ok guy. Same age as me.
Regardless of how off the rails he went, despite anyone's opinions on how he lived his life and the poor choices he might have made, the guy is dead now.
RIP Corey Haim. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.
Al
It feels somehow relevant too, to those of us who were kids in the 70's and 80's, to those of us who enjoyed Silver Bullet, The Lost Boys and so on and have memories of those movies as part of that era, a small part of life's rich tapestry, but some happy memories with those films, for me.
I didn't know Haim. Met him at a con, very briefly, a few years ago. He seemed like an ok guy. Same age as me.
Regardless of how off the rails he went, despite anyone's opinions on how he lived his life and the poor choices he might have made, the guy is dead now.
RIP Corey Haim. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.
Al
