Mola Rob
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They had the Dramatic Sequence setting set to High by accident.
Why do so many people think Star Trek: Into Darkness was bad?
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They had the Dramatic Sequence setting set to High by accident.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
To be fair, we don't know that it detected the fleet coming from Earth. They might have ambushed Nero, only to learn to their shame the folly of only sending so few ships to stop a... mining vessel.
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SmilingOtter
Master Member
Thanks, I'd forgotten that. (Tried to forget more of the movie, but hasn't happened yet.)
Father
Sr Member
Does the bridge even need to be in the front of the ship with a big window? Usually they're looking at a vid screen anyway. Why not bury it deep in the ship where the main crew can't get blowed up.
it's an enjoyable popcorn flick, but way too many plotholes and inconsistencies throughout (see Plinket's review of ST9 for more info)
1) EVERYONE is a freakin' genius. Ohura can speak multiple alien languages (including Klingon... how? Has the Federation at this point ever had any face to face encounters with the Klingons?) Ohura in TOS couldn't even speak Klingon; she had to use a book in ST5.
And Young little Chekov (17 years old in ST9), is not only a bridge officer but transporter guru (in BOTH movies) AND has learned how to run the Warp Drive by "shadowing Scotty" (per Kirk).
And McCoy is a general internist/surgeon/zoologist/hematologist?
2) You have a high level security meeting with all of your top brass.... at the top of a skyscraper, with exposed windows? And they certainly weren't transparent aluminum. Why not convene in some deep, hardened military bunker somewhere?
3) Khan can take out a squad of Klingons (who have redundant physiological aspects, per TNG), and then proceed to pummel Kirk, who doesn't die from the beating alone? Is Kirk stronger than a Klingon? (same goes for Spock)
4) Khan survives a starship crash from space... without wearing any type of restraint system... and LITERALLY WALKS AWAY from the wreckage.
Superman or not, he is still human, and his body would be goo.
5) You re-freeze Khan, after he has now killed a few thousand people (most San Franciscans). Why? Even if there is no death penalty in the 23rd century, there is still a justice system, and Demolition Man this ain't.
6) Spock and Khan fight, on moving transport ships, and jump from one to the other, without even a scratch. Literally, no blood. One punch/kick from Khan would be enough to know Spock completely off. See number 4.
7) Marcus forces Khan to help him design military weapons. Khan, with only 20th century technical knowledge. Of course, he has superior intellect, and I'm sure Marcus gave him white papers, but... really? It would be the equivalent of me asking Sir Isaac Newton to help with Unified Field Theory, after some input on the Higgs-Boson particle detector in Sweden.
8) The Enterprise engine core... has NO AUTOMATED SYSTEM FOR REALIGNMENT? No drones/robots/droids/remote control accessory arms in the case of a catastrophe? In the 23rd century, there would be NO RADIATION SUITS just outside the warp core reactor, so that you dress up before you walked in for repairs?
9) By the way.... that is some funky radiation that kills Kirk. Intense direct radiation exposure can cause neurologic and cardiac/respiratory injury that drops you dead. The human body wouldn't "hang on" for a few minutes, able to crawl around, breathe and speak, and then.... gasp... last breath... die. At least in TWOK, Spock's skin was damaged from the exposure. Here, Kirk merely had a few scrapes and his perfect hair. For example, the Japanese atomic bomb survivors were quite some distance away, but anyone closer than that (but not close enough to be instantly vaporized) most likely had sudden, agonizing deaths.
10) It's a movie, I know. A "technically" correct film that addresses every single little issue can be quite boring, and that's not the point. But, there should still be some inherent logic, within the movie itself, that is adhered to.
1) EVERYONE is a freakin' genius. Ohura can speak multiple alien languages (including Klingon... how? Has the Federation at this point ever had any face to face encounters with the Klingons?) Ohura in TOS couldn't even speak Klingon; she had to use a book in ST5.
And Young little Chekov (17 years old in ST9), is not only a bridge officer but transporter guru (in BOTH movies) AND has learned how to run the Warp Drive by "shadowing Scotty" (per Kirk).
And McCoy is a general internist/surgeon/zoologist/hematologist?
2) You have a high level security meeting with all of your top brass.... at the top of a skyscraper, with exposed windows? And they certainly weren't transparent aluminum. Why not convene in some deep, hardened military bunker somewhere?
3) Khan can take out a squad of Klingons (who have redundant physiological aspects, per TNG), and then proceed to pummel Kirk, who doesn't die from the beating alone? Is Kirk stronger than a Klingon? (same goes for Spock)
4) Khan survives a starship crash from space... without wearing any type of restraint system... and LITERALLY WALKS AWAY from the wreckage.
Superman or not, he is still human, and his body would be goo.
5) You re-freeze Khan, after he has now killed a few thousand people (most San Franciscans). Why? Even if there is no death penalty in the 23rd century, there is still a justice system, and Demolition Man this ain't.
6) Spock and Khan fight, on moving transport ships, and jump from one to the other, without even a scratch. Literally, no blood. One punch/kick from Khan would be enough to know Spock completely off. See number 4.
7) Marcus forces Khan to help him design military weapons. Khan, with only 20th century technical knowledge. Of course, he has superior intellect, and I'm sure Marcus gave him white papers, but... really? It would be the equivalent of me asking Sir Isaac Newton to help with Unified Field Theory, after some input on the Higgs-Boson particle detector in Sweden.
8) The Enterprise engine core... has NO AUTOMATED SYSTEM FOR REALIGNMENT? No drones/robots/droids/remote control accessory arms in the case of a catastrophe? In the 23rd century, there would be NO RADIATION SUITS just outside the warp core reactor, so that you dress up before you walked in for repairs?
9) By the way.... that is some funky radiation that kills Kirk. Intense direct radiation exposure can cause neurologic and cardiac/respiratory injury that drops you dead. The human body wouldn't "hang on" for a few minutes, able to crawl around, breathe and speak, and then.... gasp... last breath... die. At least in TWOK, Spock's skin was damaged from the exposure. Here, Kirk merely had a few scrapes and his perfect hair. For example, the Japanese atomic bomb survivors were quite some distance away, but anyone closer than that (but not close enough to be instantly vaporized) most likely had sudden, agonizing deaths.
10) It's a movie, I know. A "technically" correct film that addresses every single little issue can be quite boring, and that's not the point. But, there should still be some inherent logic, within the movie itself, that is adhered to.
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Kerr Avon
Master Member
Especially when the solution involves 'cold fusion' which isn't actually cold and doesn't freeze lava. *****, Abrams is a moron.
Even though Star Trek plays fast and loose with science, none of the writers on TNG, DS9, Enterprise, or even the abysmal Voyager would have written such an incredibly ****ing stupid line.
It's a realization that proves JJ Trek an empty shell. His crew too stupid to write for. Maybe thats why he always preferred Star Wars - a fairy tell with less attention to the how it works.
Also, when I think of what an advanced ship with super warp speed would be sound like, my first thought is not a heavy prop plane nose diving.
Sandman0077
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I'm not a Star Trek fan at all, but the new movies are entertaining. I've seen a few of the older movies and even some of the tv shows, but its never caught my interest like the new films.
People who are freaking out about the lack of science fact in the movies are being a little too critical in my opinion (probably because they think their precious baby is getting destroyed by modern Hollywood). They have to make it fresh for the new audiences, and they probably had no idea how the science worked in the old stuff either. Yeah they are going with a 'New' storyline/direction, but it isn't called a reboot for nothing.
Like I said before, I've seen a few of the original movies and shows, so it is nice to see some familiar bits here and there, and the new movies have made me actually want to go back and watch the other films. I love that they went with an 'alternate timeline' because if you think about it, how many reboots have actually been connected to the original material? None that I can think of at the moment.
At least they are trying, unlike 75% of Hollywood these days.
If Khan is a super genius, I'm assuming he would be able to read up on modern technology and understand how it works, thus being able to, at the very least, make suggestions based on what he has read and thought would work. They didn't say he single handedly designed the ship, only that he ensured that it could be run by a single person if necessary.
You don't need to know how a gun functions as long as you can pull the trigger. Same here. Khan didn't try to fly the ship into the Star Fleet HQ. He told the computer to do it. I don't think he needs to know how every tiny piece of equipment works on the ship, or the science that goes with it.
People who are freaking out about the lack of science fact in the movies are being a little too critical in my opinion (probably because they think their precious baby is getting destroyed by modern Hollywood). They have to make it fresh for the new audiences, and they probably had no idea how the science worked in the old stuff either. Yeah they are going with a 'New' storyline/direction, but it isn't called a reboot for nothing.
Like I said before, I've seen a few of the original movies and shows, so it is nice to see some familiar bits here and there, and the new movies have made me actually want to go back and watch the other films. I love that they went with an 'alternate timeline' because if you think about it, how many reboots have actually been connected to the original material? None that I can think of at the moment.
At least they are trying, unlike 75% of Hollywood these days.
If Khan is a super genius, I'm assuming he would be able to read up on modern technology and understand how it works, thus being able to, at the very least, make suggestions based on what he has read and thought would work. They didn't say he single handedly designed the ship, only that he ensured that it could be run by a single person if necessary.
You don't need to know how a gun functions as long as you can pull the trigger. Same here. Khan didn't try to fly the ship into the Star Fleet HQ. He told the computer to do it. I don't think he needs to know how every tiny piece of equipment works on the ship, or the science that goes with it.
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Issue being that part of what makes Trek Trek is that the science works. It's always something that's set it apart from things like Star Wars. I think it's a valid point of angst.
All true, but still stretches the realms of reasonability a little far. It's like asking Napoleon, a military genius of his time, to design the flagship of the American fleet today (and even then that's only 200 years). It'll be designed brilliantly for extremely outdated tactics. But even then that's not my biggest issue, it's that apparently there was NOBODY in the modern universe who had military knowledge. Strains belief.
SmilingOtter
Master Member
Think "Demolition Man," with Khan playing Simon Phoenix.
Well, to be fair yes Trek has been much ballyhooed for efforts to be science fact based. Whole TV specials have made hay about that and they had actual science advisors helping the writing and show production. BUT there is also a lot of chaff in that wheat and they made crap up all the time, so lets not pat the franchise on the back too much.
Nonsense. Admiral Marcus seemed to have enough of the right stuff.
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Oh I'm not putting it on a pedestal, I'm just saying there was thought process there that set it apart. Of course it strayed from that but it seems now they just don't care at all.
As I said before though, good popcorn flick. I did enjoy it, just not as a Trek movie. I enjoyed it as a fun ride.
Robinson
Sr Member
But when he defrosted khan he wanted as little dirt on his hands as possible. It wasn't until kirk screwed up his plan that he got so ruthless.
Its almost like an episode of scooby doo.
I would have gotten away with it if it weren't you you damn young crewmen and your tribble too.
Its almost like an episode of scooby doo.
I would have gotten away with it if it weren't you you damn young crewmen and your tribble too.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Especially since they went to great aims to point out in the real "TWOK" movie that Khan was an inexperienced tactician when it came to space combat. Since the JJ ****up only occurs after Khan was frozen and in space, nothing before that ****up should be changed. At least Napoleon probably had some experience with naval battles. It'd be more accurate to say you asked Napoleon to design fighter jets to be used in aerial combat.
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I would argue that he always had the ruthless edge and Kirk just exposed it. It takes a lot of ruthlessness to unleash a guy like Khan and manipulate him the way Marcus did. Arming the torpedoes with his crew in them after finding out Khan hid them there? Cold and ruthless.
