Is there anybody that liked '09 Trek but not Into Darkness? Seems like most of the comments are from people who disliked (or hated) both.
I would say that I liked both but had issues with both.
I did think the first was better though.
Is there anybody that liked '09 Trek but not Into Darkness? Seems like most of the comments are from people who disliked (or hated) both.
Well, to be fair yes Trek has been much ballyhooed for efforts to be science fact based. Whole TV specials have made hay about that and they had actual science advisors helping the writing and show production. BUT there is also a lot of chaff in that wheat and they made crap up all the time, so lets not pat the franchise on the back too much.
Especially since they went to great aims to point out in the real "TWOK" movie that Khan was an inexperienced tactician when it came to space combat. Since the JJ ****up only occurs after Khan was frozen and in space, nothing before that ****up should be changed. At least Napoleon probably had some experience with naval battles. It'd be more accurate to say you asked Napoleon to design fighter jets to be used in aerial combat.
Is there anybody that liked '09 Trek but not Into Darkness? Seems like most of the comments are from people who disliked (or hated) both.
The show garnered high profile fans like Steven Hawking, Bill Gates, Authur C Clark, Ray Bradbury, Harlin Ellison just to name a few.
Now - as for Khan helping to design the Vengeance - you have to remember Khan learned exceptionally fast - In Space Seed he learned all about the Enterprise while in bed.
You aren't taking into consideration that in the original series he froze himself and hadn't been touched for that period of time, so he would have no modern knowledge about the modern world when he encountered the Enterprise. In the new timeline, he was found and (possibly) fed as much knowledge as he needed to understand modern technology and help build a ship. He already had a base knowledge of spacecraft, he just need to be updated with the new stuff.
Yes, but like I said, if he was a genius, then he could have read up on modern battles and tactics and learned from them, thus applying his newly gained knowledge of space craft and their capabilities to his military knowledge.
You aren't taking into consideration that in the original series he froze himself and hadn't been touched for that period of time, so he would have no modern knowledge about the modern world when he encountered the Enterprise. In the new timeline, he was found and (possibly) fed as much knowledge as he needed to understand modern technology and help build a ship. He already had a base knowledge of spacecraft, he just need to be updated with the new stuff.
The Best of Both Worlds said:Crusher: Will, he's alive. If we could get him back to the ship, I might be able to restore
Riker: This is our only chance to destroy them. If they get back into warp, our weapon is useless.
Shelby: We'll sabotage them again if we have to.
Riker: We can't maintain power. We don't have the time. Prepare to fire.
Shelby: At least consult with Starfleet Command. Get Admiral Hanson on subspace.
Riker: Belay that order, Lieutenant. There's no time.
Worf: Sir, we are being hailed by the Borg.
Riker: On screen.
Locutus: I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life as it has been is over. From this time forward, you will service us.
Riker: Mr. Worf, fire.
The Best of uber worlds into darkness said:Riker: LOCUTUUUUUUUUS!
*Beams over to the Borg Cube and has a big fist fight with Locutus.
BTTF was based upon an original script, original characters, and a new concept to parallel timelines as the backbone for the plot! Not recycled characters, reversed script plots from recycled scenes, and too many shout-outs to original characters! Use the original characters, their qwerkie personalities, and come up with something new.......as was BTTF trilogy is...was....forever shall be!
AgreedSimple.
JJ Abrams never liked or watched Star Trek, by his own admission. He set out to reboot a series and make it his own, to do whatever he wanted and take the series in a new direction. By rebooting it, he essentially said that the entire TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager (I can live with that one) never happened and just took a big steaming dump on them. Then he made completely nonsensical decisions involving plot development and just really bad writing to invent a character "Nero" that was just not entertaining. A character that had the ability to travel in time before his planet was destroyed and used it to not stop his world from being destroyed, but to destroy other planets. Talk about pathetically huge plot holes. You could have driven the Nar'ada through it. Sideways. Well we had a character, Jim T Kirk, who went from being an educated, strong man to being a whiney loser criminal drop out who got pulled into Starfleet (talk about low standards) and then got kicked out because he was being the jerk that Abrams turned Kirk into. Then, miraculously, he somehow gets involved with Starfleet again and saves Earth. Now, at that point, you put him back in Starfleet Academy. No, because Abrams is a moron, he had the wash out Starfleet cadet instantly promoted to Captain. NO ORGANIZATION WOULD EVER WORK LIKE THAT. That's the end of the first movie. Second one, the wash out cadet who should have never been a Captain, gets demoted and sent back to the Academy. Five minutes later he's a Captain again. Really. Like 5 minutes later. I thought they learned their lesson, but in the entire organization of Starfleet, apparently no one else has any experience or skills that would have made him or her a superior choice for being Captain. All through the entire development of this second tragedy, Abrams INSISTED that this new character wasn't Khan. He swore up and down he wasn't Khan. Half way through the movie, you find out he's Khan. Abrams, who had made every effort to make Star Trek new and his own thing, just ended up stealing bits of better written and better developed movies and TV shows and just demonstrated what an intolerable hack he was. He should never, ever, again work in someone else's stuff. Let him make his own things, but don't let him touch any established series.
And then we're getting Star Wars from this guy. *sigh*
Agreed
BTTF was full of recycled scenes. Everytime he went to a different time it was the same 20 minutes of 'where am I, this looks familiar' in all three movies. As much as I love BTTF, and I mean LOVE it, I dislike how coincidental everything was for the sheer entertainment value.
I really think that some people are looking for reasons not to like the new Trek films, rather than arriving at that conclusion from an unbiased/objective place.
In "City on the Edge of Forever" McCoy's actions prevent the Federation from ever forming in the "prime" universe, they aren't confined to an alternate timeline.
Same with "First Cointact" - the Borg's trip to the past results in Earth being assimilated, and the Enterprise is only protected by being caught in the sphere's wake. The suggestion is that the rest of the fleet from the battle no longer exist.
In the TNG episode "Time's Arrow" (the episode with Mark Twain) they find Data's head in the prime universe, having been left back in the 1800's.
Time travel in "Yesterday's Enterprise" changes the prime universe to prevent war with the Klingons.
Oh, but in this case, the prime universe is untouched... :unsure
That's because within BTTF's canon it makes sense. ST *was* fairly consistent in it's time travel effects until the reboot.