Who owns an all-metal Blade Runner blaster?

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  1. Prop Runner

    Prop Runner Sr Member

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    I've heard amazing things about the RAC all-metal chromed ( . :confused . ) Blade Runner blaster, but I've never seen any pics. Could someone who owns this (or any other all-metal blaster replica) please post theirs?

    Thanks. :)

    - Gabe
     
  2. Lanboy

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    Before you get too worked up, keep in mind there might be a bit of a delay before you receive it. I paid my deposit for #28 in March of 2004 - nothing so far.
     
  3. eltee

    eltee Sr Member

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    I'm # 11, missed the first cut by one. Still waiting but Rich is good about updates and I know it will be worth the wait.
     
  4. Mola Rob

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    I'm #17 on the list. I can't wait to get it. Rich has kept us updated the entire time so I am not worried. I'm sure it will be worth the wait with his reputation for detail and quality. I will post pics when I receive it. :D
     
  5. Jeeves

    Jeeves Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I've gotten drool (and perhaps other bodily fluids) on Phil S's all metal BR blaster. It's like nothing else I've ever seen before...with the exception of it's cousin, the SD PR. Not sure if I have any pics of it from ECPP, but I'll check for ya.

    J
     
  6. temponaut

    temponaut Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I'm #24.

    Rich has been working very hard on these and I'm certain they'll be well worth the wait. :love

    As for photos, here's a link to a page on RAC's site showing work in progress. The link was originally posted by Rich himself on ASAP in April 2004:

    RACProps All-Metal C&S

    (Rich: Hope it's okay to post this link. If you want it removed, just say the word.)

    There used to be some shots on ASAP of a completed all-metal C&S from the first run, but the images seem to be gone now. They were spectacular. :eek
     
  7. PodRacer X

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    Jeeez, that's glorious.. I only just got the standard RC blaster and I didn't know there was a metal one out there. If you don't mind my asking, what's the price range for those beauties?
     
  8. Lanboy

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    I'm sure the metal C&S will be worth the wait - I've been buying Rich's products since the mid-90s. TOS phaser, Logan's Run DS gun, Galactica laser pistol, the C&S series 3, COP pistol - they're all on my shelves. Just wasn't expecting the delay after the first ten shipped.
     
  9. racprops

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    Right I was not either, things got so messy this year. (May write a book about it...)

    This summer I spent a good part of my time hunting a fair deal on refinancing of my home and this fall I finally closed on a deal, this gave me the much need capital to start building new models and to finish these metal models, problem was until last month I was forced by slow sales of the plastic model to work on these metal models like a hobby, at night, weekends and after hours, and I found very few of these spare bits of time.

    With this funding I am now able to work nearly full time on finishing these.

    So the next run is nearly done; I am working on them as we speak.

    One of the problems was the casting shop: guess I should have seen the writing on the wall, so many parts were wonkey and had to be recasted and reworked, anyway he sold the business a couple of months ago and I have been working with the new owners as best as I can, (and been waiting two weeks for some 4 last recast handle frames).

    I figured this was why so much the old owner did was so hard to get right, he was burned out and wanting out.

    Anyway this run will catch up all the prepaid down payment holders and should be out any week now, I am painting the black parts and polishing all the silver parts and plan to have them at the platers first thing next week.

    While they are being plated I will be prewiring the Ammo clips and Housings.

    One I get them back from the platers I will do final assembly and contact everyone to complete these orders.

    All these will now come with a display stand as a thank you for the wait.

    I am talking with another shop about becoming the caster for these and will be retooling and working with them for a new batch of these soon.

    Rich

    PS This is why I have not done any more on the web site, finished my life story, nor why we have not brought out any new models, time and money, we lacked money to buy the time.
     
  10. Prop Runner

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    Hey Rich - thanks for chiming in. I hope I didn't cause an unintended pile-on - I genuinely only wanted to see photos of a completed blaster that someone had already received.

    I'm not a customer myself (yet), nor do I know if the list is still open, but if you could post pics of one that you've already sent out, I'd be grateful :)

    Thanks, and good luck completing the project.

    - Gabe

    P.S. If the list is closed and anyone is interested in selling their stake, please contact me. :D
     
  11. PropBoy007

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    DELAY? That's an under statement. Its been almost 2 years for me. Maybe this month? Chomp, chomp on the bit...............
     
  12. tain669

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    I think it will be well worth the wait :love
     
  13. racprops

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    Propboy007, I know and it has been killing me as well.

    tain669, I am doing my best to make them worthy of the wait.

    proprunner, no problem, and I plan on new molds, a new caster and will make the new one with NO DOWNPAYMENTS.

    My life had been: work and pay the bills and the metal models, all other things have waited.

    These are the hardest things I have tried to make, and I will do more only to earn back all the time I spent learning HOW to work with metal and HOW to build these.

    I am still offering refunds to any who want them.

    I wish I had some other neato things to add to the set but that would mean taking some time off to find it, mold it and make it....

    Just painted the Receivers, Cocking levers, and Bolt End Caps.

    Rich
     
  14. Funky

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    I just wanna see some pics. :love
     
  15. Roger Ramjet

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    Rich where do I sign up? :)

    Roger
     
  16. Noeland

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    Good lord, all these posts and still NO PICS?

    I have seen the guns many times in pics and I can vouch that the all metal guns look quite amazing, and if you search you may well find pics of the all metal variants here on the RPF.
    Njc--------
     
  17. racprops

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    Here we go:
     
  18. Funky

    Funky Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Oh...wow... :eek
     
  19. tain669

    tain669 Sr Member

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    A work of art Rich.It's worth the wait :angel :thumbsup
     
  20. DrMcoy

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    Rich,

    Looks great. Put me on list for when next batch comes out -- e-mail me price. Thanks.
     
  21. racprops

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    Well as I have been outted again;

    Few notes, this model does not have the cylinder with rounds, instead I put a sound board and light driver so this model is what I like to call screen accurate, verse set accurate as is my standard model, “Set Accurate” is as close to what the actors used as I can get it and this “Screen Accurate” is more like the action prop you saw on the movie screen.

    So we took a few liberties, the model works thus: pull lightly on the front trigger to turn on the weapon, with this you get two actions, a start up sound, which you can choose from a startup sound effect OR a Woman’s voice, (computer sounding like) saying, “Weapon Armed” AND the LEDs within the ammo clip start as green, then red then green and then hold as red, this is a preflight check out system. (the bottom one is only red and only lights with the red.)

    When you pull the trigger the hammer is moved back and drops (as in a real weapon and the C&S model) and when it does the gun plays the digital recording of the movies sound effect and there is a super bright white LED with in the barrel.

    These are metal painted black and nickel plated models with plastic ammo housing and clip and grips, and the front end cap of the Styer receiver.

    All the rest is cast metal. Price is $950.00 for this model and it comes with a Plaque, Stand and COA.

    Display cases will cost $85.00 extra.

    I will not be taking any down payments on the next runs but will take names and try to offer you a model in the order you joined the list, and I still have many of the first list names and emails.

    The masters will need reworking and fine tuning to help clear up some of the things that caused all so much trouble.

    I have learned a lot and hope and believe the next runs will go faster.

    I think they should be shipping by spring.

    My old motto is back in force: “I sell no gun until it is DONE.”

    To be put on the list Please Email me at racprops@cox.net I have a folder that I keep all the emails in for the list.

    Rich

    PS a couple of more picturesÂ…..

    PPS The model within these pictures when to one of the first run orders, I do not currently have one of these models my self, I am waiting for this run also.
     
  22. neosporing

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    These look incredible. I'd also like to sign up sometime in the future.
     
  23. Hirohawa

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    Email sent
     
  24. kell

    kell Well-Known Member

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    Rich your Blade Runner blasters are awesome... Metal...simply awesome...


    I want to get one of your regular ones,( been watching ebay) just not in the budget right now with a kid coming. I have already used the our kid will be the only kid on the block with a lifesize Vader to funnel money out on Vader. Still WIP. If you do have a 'making room in my shop, so I can make more blasters sale' keep me in mind . :love

    Kell
     
  25. Noeland

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    Rich. You rock.
    Njc-----------------
     
  26. racprops

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    Thanks everyone, and special thanks to those that have hung in here with me on this.

    Things closed in on me when I was not looking and it took drastic action to dig out again.

    Oh I forgot the bolt works as well.

    Again if interested PLEASE EMAIL me at racprops@cox.net

    I keep all email in folders and off my main partition and backed up.
    (Yes you CAN make outlook work with a mail folder on another partition)

    I have only lost a 6 month section of email during the past 10 years (2 years ago during this run) due to my back up systems. (got too busy with the work and the metal model and got sloppy...)

    I can replace my main operating system (Drive C) in 15 minutes.

    So it is a safe folder.

    Rich
     
  27. burningman

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    Rich..These are fantastic as I've told you before.
    Just out of curiosity how long do you guestimate until you are ready to do the second run?
    I only ask because I'd love to have an all metal one and want to know about how long i have to come up with the scratch.
    Thanks
     
  28. Prop Runner

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    Rich, I hope you don't mind a few questions about your metal blaster, and since I'm a late comer, I apologize in advance if they're been previously addressed:

    1. Since the Styer upper receiver is aluminum, what made you decide to paint it and other metal parts gloss black instead of black anodizing them? The paint appears to swallow up a lot of fine details. :( I understand that resin must be primed and painted, but I thought the whole beauty of a metal blaster would be that it LOOKS and FEELS metal, not just weighs more. ;)

    2. The Styer upper receiver seems rather unfinished on the inside and the bolt action is reportedly rough as a result. Is there a way to ream out or polish the inside walls for a smoother operation?

    Thanks a bunch,

    - Gabe
     
  29. Rylo

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    Forgive me for speaking out of turn here but I've found anodizing seldom produces the desired finish on a piece such as this and leaves a replica looking like a paintball gun.

    It's difficult to articulate but it robs such a piece of it's character.

    I think this is something you can only understand after having made props for years and labored over a given metal prop as much as Rich has.

    In my own Exp. with certain metal replicas, I haven't cared much for anodizing. Everything has it's exceptions but for the most part it hasn't been for me. I have enjoyed powder coating for flat finishes in some cases.

    To each his own.

    Cheers Rich. Looks Good ol' Boy...

    Rylo
     
  30. Prop Runner

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    Thanks for your perspective, Ry. I've never found your opinions out of turn - if anything, I get that label *MUCH* more often. :lol But if it sounds like I'm second-guessing Rich when it comes to building or finishing replicas, I guess I technically don't have the creds since my model building skills are novice by comparion, but I do define and inspect finishes for the metal and plastic consumer products I design, so I'm well versed in paints, primers, coatings, finishes, and textures. It appears to be an unspoken question on the minds of several people I talked to, so I was genuinely curious about the reasoning, especially since I'm seriously considering purchasing one of these. I have a C&S, as you know from my Blade Runner related threads, and the first thing I did when I got it several years ago was dull the paint with steel wool to, well, take the gloss off.

    It's just that after recently seeing some amazingly realistic finishes on resin and metal Firefly/Serenity, BSG, Star Wars, and other blasters, I was hoping for some insight. For the sake of argument, couldn't a black-anodized part be enhanced with a light coat or wash of some kind, like Alcad or Rub N Buff, and then sealed in a clear coat? I'd be curious to hear what other C&S owners have done to their guns' finish to make them look more realistic, because I consider mine still a work in progress. :)

    Rich: would you consider offering your blasters unfinished, because I plan to add a companion to my old C&S, and frankly right now I'm torn between the latest C&S version and the metal blaster, should it still be available. I just seek more control over the finish of my replica, because most of the other blasters are made available as kits or are custom-finished by experienced painters. So please consider this "exploring my options." :)


    - Gabe
     
  31. racprops

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    OK one thing, these are not aluminum castings: (I could not find any one that could do aluminum and not need a ton of filling and finishing work.)

    These are a softer lower temp metal, zinc and pewter castings. More like Die Cast.

    Neither metal can be anodized.

    Painting has been the only way I found to finish these.

    I am then able to use a primer and wet sand it for a better finish.

    I am then able to wet sand the finish paint between coats to get a very smooth finish.

    I have gone with the satin finish on the latest runs.

    The lost of detail was caused but the casting system and sanding to produce a smooth finish.

    The first run was done very gloss; I was perhaps a little over proud of the finish. (And the work to get it.)

    The working bolt has been a nightmare: I wanted it to hold the cocking arm up in the open position, and then to slide in and close. The only way I could do it was to machine a new slot into the receiver.

    And add an Allen head screw to run in that machined slot. It runs into some contact problems.

    And the fit of the bold has been a problem so I have had to custom fit them and again these are not super clean castings.

    And the first run paint was prone to chipping by the hard metal to metal contact, so I was forced to ask the bold be used sparely.

    As with all my models these are ongoing improvements going on.

    I now have a powder painter I have taken some work to (casting tanks) and will test a couple of the new casting, at this point with SO MUCH work and trying to get these out as fast as I could, risking any finished part and delaying or messing up all the work already done was unconsiderable.

    These metal was the only way to make this in metal I could find and keep all the detail on the model.

    The next runs will hopefully be during the next year.

    Rich
     
  32. Prop Runner

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    Thanks for the clarifications, Rich. Obviously, my comments were based upon incorrect assumptions regarding the material, so please accept my apologies on that score - ignorance is no excuse. :$

    Sounds like short of using real parts or CNC-machining replicas (and you'd need to reverse-engineer the originals in 3D CAD or laser-scan them in order to do that), I guess this is as good as a metal blaster will get, so thanks for rising to the challenge. :)

    - Gabe
     
  33. tain669

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    Like i said they are worth the wait :cheers :thumbsup
     
  34. racprops

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    No problem, I am very hard to insault.

    They were good and fair questions.

    Thanks all.

    Rich
     
  35. aniskywalker

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    E-mail sent. :D

    I hope the list is still open. :p

    Need this one too. :love
     
  36. Pauleysolo

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    I own one from the first run and I love it.
     
  37. Jedirick

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  38. quarlo

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    Just chiming in, so is anyone going to post any pics on the thread? :confused
     
  39. pucknell

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    is there any photos of this?
     
  40. pucknell

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    Well i guess the photos have been taken down for a reason. can someone PM me and give me the skinny, cause im a bit lost.
     
  41. androidandy

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    temponaut listed a link to the photos in post #6...should have more than enough for you there. If not I might have more somewhere.
     
  42. racprops

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    Well this is an old thread raised from the dead.
    First for new readers all orders were filled last spring so the old orders are old news.
    Second I am just about ready to do the New models so please email me at racprops@cox.net for info.
    During these uncertain times I feel I should stay low.
    Rich
     
  43. Walter

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(racprops @ Feb 16 2007, 08:51 AM) [snapback]1420215[/snapback]</div>
    Is the BR mafia after you? :lol Or the owner of the worldcon blaster?
     
  44. androidandy

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    A new member was just hungry for pics since most on this thread were taken down or not visible in the thread. Nothing wrong with bumping up a thread for that reason I believe...better than starting a new thread anyway, because we can all look at the back story easier. Of couse nobody would have known the new version was coming out unless you made comment here. ;)
     
  45. racprops

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    Don't know what will happen.

    But if I say nothing then all the work is for nothing.

    After all if a prop falls in the woods, will it make a sound?

    Rich
     
  46. androidandy

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    Is there some real pressure now that wasn't there before? You can PM or email me if you want. I hope you can still put up your info here. I am sure you could at BZ too. Not a whole lot of spys there that I know about. Maybe you should see about yahoo auctions Japan even.
     
  47. eltee

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(racprops @ Feb 22 2007, 01:25 PM) [snapback]1424478[/snapback]</div>

    Only if it has a sound effects card installed, powered up and turned on. :)
     
  48. racprops

    racprops Sr Member

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    Good answer.

    I like it.
    Rich
     
  49. androidandy

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eltee @ Feb 23 2007, 01:33 AM) [snapback]1424609[/snapback]</div>

    Only if it has a sound effects card installed, powered up and turned on. :)
    [/b][/quote]


    I was wondering what the hell that noise was coming from the back yard.
     
  50. RunningBlade

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    Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead.

    Why was Rich banned, and all of these other people?
     

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