Question What is the age limit for the RPF and JY? (answered)

[Garthok]

I did a search through FAQ, terms of service etc but I can't find the info. What is the minimum age to join the RPF? Are kids under 18 allowed to buy/sell in the JY, and as minors are they even legally bound to any contract they enter into in the JY?

I am not trying to stir up trouble, I am just curious as you quite often don't know how old the person is you are talking to or dealing with, and US laws are different to ours in Aust as well.

 

[Art Andrews]

Registrants under 13 years of age are denied registration.

 

[Garthok]

Registrants under 13 years of age are denied registration.

I didn't realise it was that low. Thanks Art

 

[Art Andrews]

It is rare that we actually get someone that young, and generally our immaturity issues stem from the 30-40 crowd more than any other... go figure...

 

[Garthok]

I would laugh at that statement if I couldn't remember my own behavior in a run a while ago.

 

[Wes R]

All the 13 year olds are invading the figure site i'm on and driving the older custom makrs away. The age limit is a good thing though cranking it up to 18 may help but then they'd just lie anyhow.

 

[WarPig]

It is rare that we actually get someone that young, and generally our immaturity issues stem from the 30-40 crowd more than any other... go figure...

Um, :angel

Sometimes ya just gotta blow off steam. But yeah, once we hit "adult" we rapidly regress. I think I was more mature at 17 than I am now (maybe because I was more concerned about what people thought about me then).

Cobalt Crimson: is that forum moderated? Troublemakers rarely stick once they find out they can't cause much havoc.

 

[Wes R]

Yeah i'm one of the mods lol. i get yelled at for banning without warning so we implemented a warning system. Generally we get hit by the 4chan crowd every time someone mentions us online, on tv, or in a magazine. We get hit hard when G4 mentioned us a year or so ago. You had to say something didn't you? lol. Just had to ban someone for using photos of a custom another member did and submitting it as his own and in a contest of all things.

 

[deadspider3]

Hey I'm 13 and I love this sight

 

[Bigdaddy]

Registrants under 13 years of age are denied registration.

My daughter has been asking if she can get an RPF membership for a year now, I guess she'll have to live vicariously through me until 2015. :lol

 

[Rylo]

PayPal requires an individual to be 18 to use their system. This should most certainly mean an individual must be 18 to buy and sell within the junkyard. I certainly don't want to inadvertently do business with a minor. In fact, I'd be doing business with 'whomever' the account is registered to which may not even be a member if a kid is trying to use their parents account.

Is there an official position on this? All a parent would have to do is say their account was hacked or their child used it without permission and you'd be out the cash and the merch.

-Rylo

 

[Moviefreak]

PayPal requires an individual to be 18 to use their system. This should most certainly mean an individual must be 18 to buy and sell within the junkyard. I certainly don't want to inadvertently do business with a minor. In fact, I'd be doing business with 'whomever' the account is registered to which may not even be a member if a kid is trying to use their parents account.

Is there an official position on this? All a parent would have to do is say their account was hacked or their child used it without permission and you'd be out the cash and the merch.

-Rylo

That is a fantastic point.

 

[Rylo]

You have to be 18 to even have an ebay account. From their terms of service:

You need to be at least 18 years old to register on eBay because eBay is available only to individuals who can form legally binding contracts under applicable law.

Both Ebay and PayPal insist an individual be 18, why wouldn't we? We have a Paypal option on our listings here. To execute a legally binding transaction and have full seller protection, one would need to be doing business with someone of the proper age. If we're embracing PayPal as a payment option (and mandating how a seller is to use it) let's stick to their rules.

Like I said, I don't want to have to guess at an individual's age. PayPal says, No... So should we.

We really should make this official in light of all the new guidelines. The sellers are obligated to a number of rules. Let's make sure the buyers at the very least have to be of legal age to offer us some seller protection.

-Rylo

NOTE: And before anyone can say it. What if the kid has his parent's permission? Again, I'm forced to guess if I've just completed a two party transaction where my transaction can still be in jeopardy if either the kid or his parents have buyer's remorse, etc. Regardless, it sets a seller up for a dispute they can't win should one arise. One can't overcome, "he used my card without permission." I've lost a couple disputes in this area over the years and never even got my merch back. I've been at this a loooong time, guys. We need to nip this one.

I noticed this thread is marked as "Answered" since we were dealing with a slightly different question. Do I need to start a dedicated thread or is this now on radar? Art, Montagar? Is this thing on?

That is a fantastic point.

 

[Wes R]

That is a good point. You constantly hear about parents leaving their ebay/paypal open just for a bit and their kids buying stuff. It actually happened to a lady i know, luckily it was a small item and her kid had the cash to pay but they learned to never leave it unlocked even if you're going to the next room.

 

[Art Andrews]

You have to be 18 to even have an ebay account. From their terms of service:

You need to be at least 18 years old to register on eBay because eBay is available only to individuals who can form legally binding contracts under applicable law.

Both Ebay and PayPal insist an individual be 18, why wouldn't we? We have a Paypal option on our listings here. To execute a legally binding transaction and have full seller protection, one would need to be doing business with someone of the proper age. If we're embracing PayPal as a payment option (and mandating how a seller is to use it) let's stick to their rules.

Like I said, I don't want to have to guess at an individual's age. PayPal says, No... So should we.

We really should make this official in light of all the new guidelines. The sellers are obligated to a number of rules. Let's make sure the buyers at the very least have to be of legal age to offer us some seller protection.

-Rylo

NOTE: And before anyone can say it. What if the kid has his parent's permission? Again, I'm forced to guess if I've just completed a two party transaction where my transaction can still be in jeopardy if either the kid or his parents have buyer's remorse, etc. Regardless, it sets a seller up for a dispute they can't win should one arise. One can't overcome, "he used my card without permission." I've lost a couple disputes in this area over the years and never even got my merch back. I've been at this a loooong time, guys. We need to nip this one.

I noticed this thread is marked as "Answered" since we were dealing with a slightly different question. Do I need to start a dedicated thread or is this now on radar? Art, Montagar? Is this thing on?

 

[Rylo]

Mission accomplished, LOL!

So, do we or don't we condone a child using the junkyard/ PayPal? Not trying to be difficult man. Just asking us to officially abide by the same rules Paypal has already set for us.

I just don't want to work with anyone under 18 in a professional capacity, period. I'm 45 years old and take my transactions here very seriously. I expect those who buy to do the same. How can that be if they're not held to the same legal standards that I am? Remember, some us offer items that cost hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars. That's real money and real business.

 

[TJackFx]

Actually I think I recall reading that Paypal doesn't allow a user to claim fraud or chargeback if the purchase was made by someone in the same household.

 

[Rylo]

They tend to simply say they were hacked...again, been through this a few times. The fact remains, one must be 18 or older to use PayPal.

Actually I think I recall reading that Paypal doesn't allow a user to claim fraud or chargeback if the purchase was made by someone in the same household.

 

[laellee]

They tend to simply say they were hacked...again, been through this a few times. The fact remains, one must be 18 or older to use PayPal.

...And I suppose after the individual claims 'hacking' to get out of the deal, there's no system in place to determine if the user took steps to actually change passwords/ report the issue to Paypal/Ebay/etc after the fact... I would think a quick check by Paypal after the fact revealing that no precautions were taken and no report made would be pretty damning evidence. Then again, I've never known Paypal to go out of the way for me as a seller EVER.

 

[Rylo]

I couldn't hazard a guess what they do and don't do or why. I've had good experiences where common sense prevailed and bad ones where things went sideways. However, I'm not bashing PayPal in this thread. I chose to use them, simple as that. The risk of fraud is always there, but I am vigilant. Sticking to their rules has mitigated many a potential loss for me. As you said, they hardly go out of their way so it's important to operate within their guidelines to have whatever seller protection you can get. This is more about our terms though:

I'm simply saying if PayPal is an option to click within our own listings here, why wouldn't we acknowledge (within our own terms of service) that we expect everyone to play by their rules? This most certainly spells out an age limit of 18 with regard to completing an on-line transaction by way of their system.

As a seller there are a number of things mandated. When one ships, how they accept PayPal, can't ask for it as a gift, etc.

Is it really too much to say, "You have to be at least 18 to buy or sell in the junkyard?" Are there that many children at risk of being alienated? I doubt it...however, they still have to be 18 to have a PayPal account.

Anyway, starting to repeat myself here so this will have to do it for me. :thumbsup

-Rylo (Self appointed Junkyard, speaker of the house )