Watchmen (HBO TV series)

I think you’re vastly underestimating people’s ability to be ignorant, especially of things that they don’t particularly care about, and after what we saw of Will’s interaction with other heroes, I wouldn’t particularly blame him for not caring about any heroes.

There’s also the whole “You’re a young black man, and I know Jon Osterman as a white guy that turned into a glowing blue entity” aspect.

It’s entirely possible that the name registered, but the look didn’t match, so you react with a “Who?”
Well, that’s a good point, and perhaps that is what they intended, but I think it requires the viewer to “read into” the scene quite a bit.

I guess I just thought that “Jon Osterman” would have been a household name at that point. Like everyone knows that Superman is Clark Kent or Batman is Bruce Wayne, except (in this universe) it’s ”real life,” making it even more of a big deal.

It’s a small quibble, and frankly, not significant given how many other details from the comic they absolutely nailed.

I wound up catching that scene last night when watching the tail end of a repeat and paid a bit more attention to it

I'm not so sure he didn't recognize the name as much as he kind of flippantly dismissed it until he had proof

No one supposedly knows Will was Hooded Justice, so Will is not going to offer anything up lightly, especially to someone he does not recognize

When he answered the door and the person said "...I am Jon Osterman...", Will's response wasn't "who" or "I don't know anyone by that name" etc...

His response was "Is that supposed to mean something to me?"

He could have dismissed this guy as being "the" Jon Osterman, or he could have been feigning some ignorance for purposes of keeping his identity secret until he knows for sure who he is talking to and what their purpose was for the visit.

After all, when he says he is Dr Manhattan, Will's first question is something like aren't you supposed to be blue or something. So he was clearly skeptical who he was talking to which is why he shuts the door

Also, I think Dr Manhattan may have transferred some of his power to Will...
There was that scene early in the season where Will was eating boiled eggs and he was reaching in the boiling water with seemingly no ill effect.

Then this past episode when talking to Angela after he does the egg trick, he mentions the possibility of transferring his power to someone else, with their consent

He supposes he could put some of his atomic material or whatever into some organic material which someone could eat and gain some of his powers.

Angela asks about putting it in an egg. He says it is theoretically possible

When the Seventh Kav show up, he tells Angela he sent the kids to the theater with Will.

Maybe Will has been eating Dr Manhattan laced eggs and has been gaining more and more power over the past few days? Kind of like a Fountain of Youth

I believe the timeline of the show has only been a few days at most

Then there is the whole thing about Dr Manhattan making a show of walking on water and telling Angela she must remember that for later

Whoever Dr Manhattan gave his powers to apparently is going to have to walk on water? Maybe prompted by Angela telling them they can do so?
 
I wound up catching that scene last night when watching the tail end of a repeat and paid a bit more attention to it

I'm not so sure he didn't recognize the name as much as he kind of flippantly dismissed it until he had proof

No one supposedly knows Will was Hooded Justice, so Will is not going to offer anything up lightly, especially to someone he does not recognize

When he answered the door and the person said "...I am Jon Osterman...", Will's response wasn't "who" or "I don't know anyone by that name" etc...

His response was "Is that supposed to mean something to me?"

He could have dismissed this guy as being "the" Jon Osterman, or he could have been feigning some ignorance for purposes of keeping his identity secret until he knows for sure who he is talking to and what their purpose was for the visit.

After all, when he says he is Dr Manhattan, Will's first question is something like aren't you supposed to be blue or something. So he was clearly skeptical who he was talking to which is why he shuts the door

Also, I think Dr Manhattan may have transferred some of his power to Will...
There was that scene early in the season where Will was eating boiled eggs and he was reaching in the boiling water with seemingly no ill effect.

Then this past episode when talking to Angela after he does the egg trick, he mentions the possibility of transferring his power to someone else, with their consent

He supposes he could put some of his atomic material or whatever into some organic material which someone could eat and gain some of his powers.

Angela asks about putting it in an egg. He says it is theoretically possible

When the Seventh Kav show up, he tells Angela he sent the kids to the theater with Will.

Maybe Will has been eating Dr Manhattan laced eggs and has been gaining more and more power over the past few days? Kind of like a Fountain of Youth

I believe the timeline of the show has only been a few days at most

Then there is the whole thing about Dr Manhattan making a show of walking on water and telling Angela she must remember that for later

Whoever Dr Manhattan gave his powers to apparently is going to have to walk on water? Maybe prompted by Angela telling them they can do so?

You know, I remember thinking “WTF?” at the scene with the boiled egg earlier in the series, but just kind of wrote it off as “That was weird.”

But when you put it together like that...it makes a lot of sense.
 
I’m just starting the finale...but did anyone catch the fact that the “Coming in 2020” reel that ran before it ended with Veidt blowing out a candle on a cake?

You guys think this means we’ll get a second season?
 
I’m just starting the finale...but did anyone catch the fact that the “Coming in 2020” reel that ran before it ended with Veidt blowing out a candle on a cake?

You guys think this means we’ll get a second season?

They did say "season finale" not "series finale"

While this did have an definitive ending to the story this season started with, they certainly did leave room for a jumping off point of a new story arc

although...


I found this part particularly amusing and explains why Phillips tried to hand him a horseshoe back in the beginning when they gave him the cake

Since we’re talking about Chekhov, how did Veidt know that he’d eventually need Chekhov’s Horseshoe, and when he’s going to need it?
[Sighs.] I think we’re getting a little bit under the hood now [in a way] that’s going to demystify process. I’ll just leave it at this: Our intention, in the pilot, when he says he’s writing a tragedy in five acts called The Watchmaker’s Son, he is in fact referring to the play we see performed in the second episode. But it was also our intention that he has, in fact, written, most of this — that all the Crookshanks and Philipses are part of a construct that Veidt has designed to prevent himself from going insane. That doesn’t mean that everything they say is scripted, although some of it is. Crookshanks’ closing argument, for example, is written by Veidt. that’s why she winks at him at the end, and we wrote it in his voice for her to perform. But there are other things happening on Europa that are improv. The game warden is tasked to “do anything you can to stop me from escaping this place. And don’t tell me how you’re going to do it.” And he has told a Philips, “You have to give me a horseshoe when I need to escape,” but they’re so dumb and so programmed to please him, that they’re constantly trying to give him a horseshoe. It becomes a nuisance, and eventually becomes something that gives him fits of rage. When they finally bake it in the cake, he knows, “Oh, I’m going to spend the next year of my life digging my way out.”
 
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They did say "season finale" not "series finale"

While this did have an definitive ending to the story this season started with, they certainly did leave room for a jumping off point of a new story arc

although...


This is what’s been tripping me up. No second season has been ordered, Lindelof has said he thinks he’s done with it, yet before tonight’s episode it said “Season Finale.”

From what I’ve read, it was originally conceived by HBO as an “event” type mini-series.

That said...they DEFINITELY have places to go if they wanted to continue.

You KNEW they were going to cut to black when Angela’s foot touched the water. It’s a great way to end it, for sure.

In my mind, she absolutely walked on that pool. And if she’s got Doctor Manhattan’s powers, then it’s pretty easy to see a story where she can effectively bring Jon back.

I was extremely satisfied with the way it all wrapped up. I wasn’t sure they could get everything concluded in a good way, but I feel they succeeded on every level.

Such a great season of TV...or mini-series...or whatever. This show became literal must watch TV for me, which is getting more and more rare these days. I looked forward to each episode for an entire week, and each week I wasn’t let down.

On one hand, I’m disappointed that it’s over...on the other, I kind of hope it ends up being just a one time thing and we get no more...it was that good, to me, that I don’t want more to come that isn’t as good.

I’m going to binge all 9 episodes in a week or so, to see what stuff I can pick up on in second viewings.
 
What is kind of sad is that I had never actually heard of this event before the show.

I thought it must have been based on a real life event since the original comic book did similar things with the Vietnam war and other historical events, however, I figured they made it much more dramatic and over the top with the plane and how many people were involved etc.. so it had a lot more of an impact.

But, after looking it up after that first show, I was surprised to learn that it actually was not too far off from what really happened.

A truly disturbing event in history, yet it is also a very little known event to most people.
 
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hell, i live there/here, and it wasn't brought up much here until after i was out of high school, so it wasn't something really known here all that much either until at least the late 90's.

And if you're curious at all (i doubt any really is) but none of that 'Tulsa' looked like anything around here :)

Which it shouldn't since it was shot in georgia, but still.
 
hell, i live there/here, and it wasn't brought up much here until after i was out of high school, so it wasn't something really known here all that much either until at least the late 90's.

And if you're curious at all (i doubt any really is) but none of that 'Tulsa' looked like anything around here :)

Which it shouldn't since it was shot in georgia, but still.
Thanks cboath, I always wondered how close some of the scenes were to the original timeline, and today. After watching a lot of film shoots where I live, sometimes it’s a match, others not so much :)

I learned more than I expected from this series.
 
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I figured that. They pretty much telegraphed who it was anyway in the episode. As soon as I saw him I figured it had to be that agent since he was so tall, had the same build, and was keeping an eye on Angela. Plus earlier on the plane he had the whole conversation with Laurie about the masks and later when Laurie was interviewing Angela, he walked in and whispered in her ear about the wheelchair.

That final Petey entry just puts the nail in the coffin
 
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