Warning for Aurora, IL prop collectors

Lord Abaddon

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If you guys from the 501st and others do parades or show up at parties, be careful, I just read this in the Trib and couldn't believe it:

Aurora targets fake guns
City outlaws replica weapons and sale of pellet or BB guns

By Rhianna Wisniewski
Special to the Tribune
Published December 21, 2006

Children in Aurora better think twice now before adding a toy gun to their game of cops and robbers.

Amid growing concern for the safety of Aurora's youths, the City Council unanimously adopted an ordinance this week that bans the sale, possession or purchase of replica guns. A second ordinance prohibits the sale of projectile guns, including BB or pellet guns, to minors within city limits.

Police are allowed to confiscate replica guns and levy fines. Previously, police returned guns to their owners. Fines range from $500 to $1,000, depending on the type of gun and how it was being used.

But community activist Mary Fultz doesn't think the actions go far enough because toy guns with orange caps or those obviously fake, such as translucent or brightly colored ones, still are allowed.

To make a point at Tuesday's meeting, Fultz pulled the trigger on a realistic looking, palm-sized toy cap gun. One alderman ducked, another winced and most looked on warily as she held the smoking black gun, which she had a child buy at a local flea market for $1.

She believes all black fake guns should be banned, because she fears that the ordinance as-is will not prevent potential accidental deaths in incidents where police have to make split-second decisions.

"This is not at all what we're asking for," Fultz said. "Kids can easily take the cap off, break them off or spray-paint them. Our problem is that if the gun is all black, it looks real."

Aurora's actions are modeled after an ordinance in Chicago that prohibits the sale and possession of any BB or pellet guns or any other replica that shoots a projectile. But Aurora's new ordinances go further, banning any item, other than those allowed under federal law, which resembles a gun, regardless of whether it shoots projectiles. The federal statute allows toy guns that are translucent, brightly colored or have orange caps.

"This is about the kids and keeping the guns out of kids' hands," said Ald. Stephanie Kifowit (3rd Ward). "This ordinance unequivocally keeps them out of kids' hands."

Fultz, who introduced the issue to the City Council, cited the injury of Ellis Woodland in Chicago as an example of the dangers these guns pose to children. Police say Woodland, a 14-year-old Cabrini-Green resident, was shot and seriously wounded in August after he refused to put down what appeared to be a 9 mm handgun that turned out to be a BB gun. Chicago passed its ordinance in October.

Aurora Police Chief William Powell said Fultz's concern is valid, because officers are trained to shoot in situations where someone with a gun is threatening police or public safety. He also doesn't think the ordinance will rid the city of the replica guns because they're still sold in neighboring cities.

Still, the ordinance sends "a strong message that these guns aren't wanted here," he said. "Anytime we're going to outlaw guns, I'm for it, because I've seen what guns have done to our community."

Powell was the supervising officer on June 25, 1999, when 30-year-old Dennis Young was shot and killed after he aimed what appeared to be a gun at police. The weapon turned out to be a BB gun.

Fultz' son was shot by a real gun while playing basketball, and the offender was never caught. Her son sustained an injury to his leg that has severely limited his ability to play competitive sports.

She first brought the issue to the city's Government Operations Committee in 2005, after a 10-year-old boy took a realistic toy gun to an after-school program she was involved in on Aurora's east side.

Frightened teachers ushered students against walls and into corners and were about to call police when they learned the gun was fake. Fultz, backed by 1,200 community members who signed petitions, has been working with council members since that incident to outlaw replicas.

Alayne Weingartz, Aurora corporate counsel, said the ordinance cannot go further than the federal statute.

Aurora Mayor Tom Weisner said he, too, would like to see all gun replicas banned, but, politically and legally, his hands are tied.

"Personally I would agree with going further," Weisner said. "But as mayor I have to look at what we'd like to do and then look at what we could conceivably defend."

A third ordinance, which was modeled after the penalty portion of Chicago's replica gun ordinance, was sent back to committee Tuesday. It would have levied warnings and potential legal action on parents for their children's violations of gun or drug ordinances.

That ordinance will be discussed on Jan. 9.

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Tighter gun laws

Aurora's new ordinances:

- Ban the sale, possession and purchase of replica guns, except those colored to look fake or those with orange caps.

- Prohibit the sale of projectile guns, including BB or pellet guns, to minors.

- Give police authority to confiscate replica guns.

- Provide for fines from $500 to $1,000, depending on type of gun and how it was used.

Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune [/b]

(Mods, I put this under Props because I believe it pertained to the prop guns even though discussion might shift to an OT level at some point.)
 
Where were the cops at in the city council meeting? Sounds like she's lucky she didn't get shot herself for pulling a stunt like that...
 
This is too ridiculous... instead of outlawing replica and toy guns, parent's should teach their kids how to handle them and not point at others or at the police - not even for fun. The weapon itself may not be dangerous, but to lose the fear and respect these have and deserve will take away the real danger if holding a real gun.

Police should not be subjected to the stupidity of parent's and a stupid kid/person who don't understand the gravity of pointing a gun-looking object at them.
 
like the police want another law to enforce...they have a hard time with the one now.
Stupid is, Stupid Does.
 
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This is too ridiculous... instead of outlawing replica and toy guns, parent's should teach their kids how to handle them and not point at others or at the police - not even for fun. The weapon itself may not be dangerous, but to lose the fear and respect these have and deserve will take away the real danger if holding a real gun.

Police should not be subjected to the stupidity of parent's and a stupid kid/person who don't understand the gravity of pointing a gun-looking object at them.
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i agree, as far as the moron "Powell was the supervising officer on June 25, 1999, when 30-year-old Dennis Young was shot and killed after he aimed what appeared to be a gun at police. The weapon turned out to be a BB gun."

well he deserved that, pretty high on the stupidity list for pointing a bb gun at a cop, guy was more then old enough that he should have known better.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Dec 21 2006, 08:08 AM) [snapback]1382160[/snapback]
This is too ridiculous... instead of outlawing replica and toy guns, parent's should teach their kids how to handle them and not point at others or at the police - not even for fun. The weapon itself may not be dangerous, but to lose the fear and respect these have and deserve will take away the real danger if holding a real gun.
Police should not be subjected to the stupidity of parent's and a stupid kid/person who don't understand the gravity of pointing a gun-looking object at them.
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i agree, as far as the moron "Powell was the supervising officer on June 25, 1999, when 30-year-old Dennis Young was shot and killed after he aimed what appeared to be a gun at police. The weapon turned out to be a BB gun."
well he deserved that, pretty high on the stupidity list for pointing a bb gun at a cop, guy was more then old enough that he should have known better.
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I'm just thinking: poor cop. :unsure
 
These people have their head up their rear-ends. Ignorant liberal bed-wetting cry-babies are running the Aurora City Council- and that includes the police for supporting such a law that violates the basic freedoms of law abiding citizens.

This is where we are headed folks- one day, you won't be able to own most of the things in your prop collection.

Mark
 
Once again has people's inability to think and to take responsibility for their own actions led to politicians making stupid laws.
 
but, in the US, isn't one allowed to own assault rifles, etc? So, is this a case where toy guns are banned but real guns aren't?
 
"Police are allowed to confiscate replica guns and levy fines. Previously, police returned guns to their owners. Fines range from $500 to $1,000, depending on the type of gun and how it was being used."

There's the real reason it passed - it makes the town money.
 
Just like the small hick towns do on backroads. They drop the speedlimit down 30mph and have a Police Office sitting there waiting for you to go by 1mph over the limit. Happens ALL the time around here. It's all about money.

Jhusel
 
Ridiculous. If parents raised their kids to be smart enough to not point guns (fake or not) at people then there wouldn't be such a perceived problem. Another fine example of forgetting personal responsibility and pinning it on everyone else.
 
I love it when they try and legislate common sense. :lol

Any fool who points a bb gun at a Cop deserves to be shot in my book.
 
Its also another example of passing more laws in an attempt to make life safe at every turn.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Mark
 
New York Times Post January 17, 2021:
How to make our society safer?
Palo Il

School board directors today are looking into the latest way to keep safety in school while being able to accomplish the basic task at hand, writing papers. After school kids started abusing keyboards and whacking others with them, they were forced to go back to pens and pencils. But those being pointed made worse weapons in the hands of students. The banning of pens and pencils back in 2010 was considered a wonderful accomplishment. Despite the law making all pencils and pens blunt to avoid them being used as weapons, insurance rates climbed as the blunt impact injuries drove up the cost of hospital care and worse claims cost to the cities board of education.
"Laser pens were the stupidous decision we ever made" stated board member Charles Ralbi. We are still paying claims and dealing with the blinded students from that one. "Going to lemon juice sticks with the heated papers were bad also. Between the clean up efforts, students squirting others, teachers waiting for the papers to heat up to be legible and the one school burning down from the heat pads for the papers, that decision was a total failure as well. Of course the bad lemon crop of 2015 made it a mute point anyway."
Currently the Palo board of education is now looking at other solutions to unsafe writing tools. "We are thinking of integrating the writing utensil in their backpacks. Making it big enough and heavy enough that it cannot be turned into a weapon" said Mr. Ralbi. "Kids these days are getting pretty inventive with how to harm each other." Asked if they cannot finds a way to make safe writing instruments what would be the next step Mr. Rabli replied "If its not possible, we may revisit the large hamsters ball protective spheres first brought up to the board in 2015. Of course than we are looking at the congestion in the hallways and issues of mobility, but that is currently being considered as well."
City fathers have asked about possibly considering allowing the police force to come in for discipline issues, but the police force union has been strictly against it. "Police Chief Smithers noted “They are just shoving their problems at us; we have enough to do trying to keep this city running with our speeding ticket income."
The Palo board of education will be holding a meeting Thursday night to consider alternative safe writing instruments for the city schools. All those interested in attending should show up 3 hours in advance to pass through the security to get in for the public discussion.
 
She believes all black fake guns should be banned, because she fears that the ordinance as-is will not prevent potential accidental deaths in incidents where police have to make split-second decisions.
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ANYONE that pulls ANY type of gun, be it real or fake, black or neon green, on a cop absolutely deserves to get shot. No amount of legislature is going to prevent that.
 
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