CB2001
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Actually, I like this design for a Catwoman suit, as it grounds it in a plausability like the Batsuits are suppose to be plausible. The only thing I disagree with it are the goggles.
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Larry Young
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As long as I stay on this side of Verta, I figure I'll be OK.
Lot of different versions over the years. Goggles are the most recent.
firesprite
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Ugh, no.
I swear, there are days when I wonder why I bother looking at threads like these. If you don't think Anne Hathaway is right to play Selina Kyle, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. You don't have to plunk down the money to see the movie. Leaves more room in the theaters for those of us who are willing to give the casting choice a chance.
CB2001
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Lot of different versions over the years. Goggles are the most recent.
Unless those goggles have some sort of nightvision, I really don't see the need for them. How is she suppose to have a clear view of what she's doing with those goggles? She'd have tunnel vision with them.
Additional Edit: In fact, it'd be similar issue like the one Wayne had with the Batsuit's neck from "The Dark Knight".
Just like I did with "The Dark Knight." I didn't see that one in the theater either.
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OldKen
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CB, I am not wanting to seem like I am judging you or your level of intelligence.
But Larry is a pretty smart guy. Well liked and actually has more room to talk anything comic related than 99.9% of the other members here.
May want to tone it down just a bit.
BOTH OF YOU. This is getting close to flaming/baiting. Which is a no no here.
Let's all agree to disagree?
But Larry is a pretty smart guy. Well liked and actually has more room to talk anything comic related than 99.9% of the other members here.
May want to tone it down just a bit.
BOTH OF YOU. This is getting close to flaming/baiting. Which is a no no here.
Let's all agree to disagree?
Aw crickey.
Such a fun thread, and you´re letting it go to waste? C´mon...
Guys, calm down, we are talking about movies here, and not even a politically or religiously motivated one! :lol
Seriously, what´s with the "kiddo" and "40 year old virgin" talk?! No need to get personal here and then dish out childish replies :rolleyes
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Michael
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That being off my chest, I have to say that I am very curious about Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. Bane is not a villain I would have liked to see in any of the movies, but maybe they are doing something interesting with him.
Dang, too tired to really get into the debate, but yes, I have to add that saying "Inception" being a boring film was kind of a bold statement
Now I have to go find a thread with a TRON Legacy discussion in it...
Such a fun thread, and you´re letting it go to waste? C´mon...
Guys, calm down, we are talking about movies here, and not even a politically or religiously motivated one! :lol
Seriously, what´s with the "kiddo" and "40 year old virgin" talk?! No need to get personal here and then dish out childish replies :rolleyes
Thanks,
Michael
RPF staff
That being off my chest, I have to say that I am very curious about Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. Bane is not a villain I would have liked to see in any of the movies, but maybe they are doing something interesting with him.
Dang, too tired to really get into the debate, but yes, I have to add that saying "Inception" being a boring film was kind of a bold statement
Now I have to go find a thread with a TRON Legacy discussion in it...
Ken, you sure you don´t want a mod job again ? :lol
CB2001
Master Member
I agree, which is why I've called a truce.
I agree with you on that. I mean, after having him in "Batman and Robin", I don't know if I really want to see Bane again. Unless they avoid the whole "I get stronger with superjuice" thing, I'm willing to be a bit open minded with it.
Dang, too tired to really get into the debate, but yes, I have to add that saying "Inception" being a boring film was kind of a bold statement
Well, how else am I to describe it from my experience? I mean, I sat there the whole film, waiting for the wheel to meet the highway. To me, it didn't. The only thing I like from "Inception" is the track "Time" by Hans Zimmer, and that's because it reminds me of the kind of tracks you'd expect a superhero or a John McClane-type hero character to have playing after fighting a villain. The PASIV device was a nice prop, but it didn't help out the story for me. I can't help that it was the most boring to me out of all five Christopher Nolan films I've seen. I'm not going to lie and say that I enjoyed it, even to keep the peace. That's how I feel.
SAY HELLO TO YOUR MOTHER FOR...
Oh, wait; no. Please do say hello to your mother for me. She's a very sweet lady.
You know, I could run with this as another joke, but I am not. Even if it is begging for a joke to be made.
Larry Young
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Dang, too tired to really get into the debate, but yes, I have to add that saying "Inception" being a boring film was kind of a bold statement
Kind of hard to believe a film student didn't dig on the subtlties of the narrative, isn't it? The various allegorical bits of making a film? The architect as scenic designer, the forger as the cast, the point man as "producer," etc.
Little dude didn't get the film, I'm thinking.
OldKen
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SAY HELLO TO YOUR MOTHER FOR...
Oh, wait; no. Please do say hello to your mother for me. She's a very sweet lady.
Larry, I should sue you for the shard of ice I almost choked to death on!!! :angel
Holy wow that was funny batman. :lol
Glad were back on topic now though.
Those last few pics of Anne show she CAN be sexy. But can she be catwoman?
I really didn't like Ledger before TDK. I didn't like the look of his makeup when I first saw it... but his portrayal of the character was AWESOME IMHO. So we shall see!
firesprite
Master Member
So, yeah... getting back to the ORIGINAL POINT of the thread...
I like what Nolan has done with the characters that he culled from the comics. Part of the problem I think I had with Rachel was that she was an original creation that had nothing to do whatsoever with the comics... That and the fact that she came off as a snotty little know-it-all in the first movie and a snotty little namedropper in the second. She was pointless until they killed her (a moment that actually made me let out a little whoop of pleasure in the theater, I'm not ashamed to admit).
With Catwoman, they've got several decades of examples of her personality to pull from. If I had my way, I'd be sitting Anne down with a tall stack of Batman comics with Catwoman appearances and with Catwoman's own spinoff and making her read them!
I like what Nolan has done with the characters that he culled from the comics. Part of the problem I think I had with Rachel was that she was an original creation that had nothing to do whatsoever with the comics... That and the fact that she came off as a snotty little know-it-all in the first movie and a snotty little namedropper in the second. She was pointless until they killed her (a moment that actually made me let out a little whoop of pleasure in the theater, I'm not ashamed to admit).
With Catwoman, they've got several decades of examples of her personality to pull from. If I had my way, I'd be sitting Anne down with a tall stack of Batman comics with Catwoman appearances and with Catwoman's own spinoff and making her read them!
CTF
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Which was my argument with him in regards to The Dark Knight; he just kept going on 'bout the Joker being the only redeeming quality, 'cause he's fodder for that cosplay stuff.
Larry Young
Master Member
It's been famously said that "people see what they want to see," but I'd argue that people see what they can see, you know? Allegory is beyond some folks, you know, or at least not their first thought.
I ran into this with the critical response to my GN Planet of the Capes. A lot of folks didn't dig on the subtext; what are ya gonna do? The fact they don't get it doesn't mean it's not there.
CB2001
Master Member
I got the film, I just couldn't get into it. There was just no hook for me. And the characters were not appealing to me, because Nolan as both a writer and director didn't give me a reason to care about them. In "Memento", there was an interesting hook that drug me along for the whole ride and we see scenes were Leonard reflects back on when his wife died and scenes where he talks about his condition that reached out to me, made me feel bad for what he's going through, the thought that he keeps repeating that night he lost his wife and is unable to escape that memory because he can't form new ones makes me feel for him, because I could imagine being in his shoes. And yes, we find out the twist in the film towards the end, but Teddy manipulated him into continue his hunt, to make money off of Leonard's pain and suffering. After seeing that, and seeing Leonard set himself to go after Teddy, I agree with it, because Teddy lost track of getting justice and should have reminded Leonard that he accomplished his goal. Basically, Teddy set himself up to be the target. And looking at the story in a normal time line instead of the U-Shaped timeline, I feel satisfied that Leonard got justice against what Teddy did to him. And that film gave me a reason to be satisfied because it gave enough information and space for the audience to connect with Leonard.
"Inception" didn't have that for me. I couldn't connect with any one of the characters in that film. I felt more like an outsider to the viewing, which is the exact opposite of what a film is suppose to do. Films are suppose to draw the audience into the story. Frankly, because it didn't give me a chance or a reason to connect with any of the characters, I couldn't give a damn if DiCaprio's character got to see his children again, or that Ellen Page's character got the chance to work in a world of pure creation, or even if Cillian Murphy's character bought the implanting of the idea. Due to the lack of connection to the characters, I frankly wouldn't have cared if they got killed or not. Why? Because Nolan did not give me a reason or even any time to care about the characters, the situation, and the characters IN the situation.
Imagine what if "Star Wars" would have been like if you didn't give a damn if Luke made the shot to destroy the Death Star. Or, imagine "Star Trek" if all you knew about the characters was that they go around space meeting people and never got into any trouble along the way. Or "Lost" if you never learned ANYTHING about the characters and all it was about was them being stuck on an island. Or even better: If John McClane in "Die Hard" was your typical action movie hero, who didn't have a wife at the party and was just walking around gunning down terrorists with a big grin on his face and didn't feel any pain. You wouldn't be able to connect with any of those characters in these examples if they were portrayed that way. That's exactly how I feel about "Inception."
I'm hoping that helps in giving you guys an understand why I found "Inception" boring and why I couldn't get into it. If its not, then I don't know how else I can explain it.
That's the last time I'll mention "Inception" and am more than willing to get back on topic, as requested.
batmanspawn
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Bane is the only villain to beat Batman period. I have liked what Nolan does on his Bat films Ill follow him here also. oh and to answer the question why was Bane so bad on B&R cause it was Joel Schumacher and he like the pretty neon colors.
nickytea
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Inception is structured within a narrative gimmick that allows for the characters to literally travel deeper into the lead character, revealing aspects of himself visually through their journey ... if that wasn't able to "hook" you, then there's really nothing else the movie could have done.
Larry Young
Master Member
No, you just personally missed it; that's not a failure of the film.
Is there really not enough villain to go around that we need two super villains in this movie? I loved both Batmans, despite the Bat-Voice, I'm hoping that this is good and doesn't turn into a Spiderman 3 disaster.
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