Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
The ESB Vader doesn't have a chain hook.
Vader ESB 'hero' cape/robe details
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The ESB Vader doesn't have a chain hook.
Durasteel Corporation
Well-Known Member
Actually these images could be a reflection off the boot or greave (shin armor).
This ANH photo has a curious curve at the bottom of the white ""reflection"" so I am skeptical either way. And in all likelyhood the outside cape --even if catching air--would have blocked the light....no?? NEVERTHELESS, we are dealing with two totally differnt movies and costumes... Lets not forget that my geeky bretheren
As for this photo...errr....this shot has been altered so many bloody times that its just dripping with photoshop paint. I have seen at least four versions, possibly six of this photo.
I also submit that the robe tunic could be shorter on the sides as the shoulders vs. chest/back take up more surface area thus the robe does not sit as low on the sides, near the feet. I have noticed this problem with my own tunic experiments.
I further submit to you that a houpelande pattern can incorporate VOLUMES of material, thus allowing for plenty of movement....no need for this split.
DAMN GOOD things to note though TPM (even if I disagree...and Im not saying I am either way, youve got a good eye) I see why you think there might be a split....but I also think there is good reason to counter that belief until more info surfaces...which it may never :unsure
This ANH photo has a curious curve at the bottom of the white ""reflection"" so I am skeptical either way. And in all likelyhood the outside cape --even if catching air--would have blocked the light....no?? NEVERTHELESS, we are dealing with two totally differnt movies and costumes... Lets not forget that my geeky bretheren
As for this photo...errr....this shot has been altered so many bloody times that its just dripping with photoshop paint. I have seen at least four versions, possibly six of this photo.
I also submit that the robe tunic could be shorter on the sides as the shoulders vs. chest/back take up more surface area thus the robe does not sit as low on the sides, near the feet. I have noticed this problem with my own tunic experiments.
I further submit to you that a houpelande pattern can incorporate VOLUMES of material, thus allowing for plenty of movement....no need for this split.
DAMN GOOD things to note though TPM
(even if I disagree...and Im not saying I am either way, youve got a good eye) I see why you think there might be a split....but I also think there is good reason to counter that belief until more info surfaces...which it may never :unsure
KevVader
Sr Member
....as for the robe split.....I don't know....the PR photo with the troopers suggests that there would either be a split in the cape as well (doubtful) or the cape is reeeeallly short in the back to allow the red background to show through....it almost reaches the floor in the front but is short at the back?....weird pic....
mikajedi
Well-Known Member
Even If the topic is about the ESB hero cape, the stunt version can be interesting.
Even If there wasn't a cape hook on the hero armor, I think there was a cape chain.
Anyway, here's a zoom on the stunt version we can see the cape hook with a chain.
Here's another pic of bob anderson, we can also see the cape hook and the cape chain.
Even If there wasn't a cape hook on the hero armor, I think there was a cape chain.
Anyway, here's a zoom on the stunt version we can see the cape hook with a chain.
Here's another pic of bob anderson, we can also see the cape hook and the cape chain.
TMP
Sr Member
If you watch the movie closely in slow motion you se allot of things.
I shown in 3 shots a split in the robe. If you watch the movie you will se the split if you slow it down. I have my sources as well :rolleyes
This is what we come down to:
ESB has Satin trim on the bottom of the Cape.
ESB Does NOT have Satin trim on the Bottom of the Cape.
ESB Has Satin from the lining falling down.
ESB Does not have satin from the lining falling down.
ESB Has a Chain on the Cape.
ESB Does not have a Chain on the Cape.
ESB uses a ROTJ armor.
ESB does not use a ROTJ armor.
ESB Has a Split in the Cape.
ESB Does NOT have a split in the cape.
ESB has a Short Robe and Cape.
ESB Has a Long Robe and Cape.
ESB Uses a Rubber armor.
ESB Dont use a Rubber armor.
Anything more we agree on? :eek
My advice.. If anyone want accuracy.. Go for all of the solutions because there is not ONE answer. :love Nobody will be satisfied. If you a person make a ESB from the red promoshot then that is WRONG.. :confused Why... Because it is not the same as the STUNT were they use another actor, another costume another armor and another helmet and the cape has a chain. But what makes the Stunt less or more accurate... :confused :confused (I am ironic and a bit sarcastic with allot of humor in this) WELL THE STUNT is NOT ACCURATE... The Other Version is.. :confused Now what version is that you might ask.. ( :lol THIS WHOULD BE THE BEST TIME TO BRING IN THE MONTY PHYTON ...Because NOBODY other than those LOGIC guys could make more sence to these issues than them.)
And If you are 5.10 Tall and with a 32 Waist size Dont even DARE to speak about accuracy if you plan to wear it. hehehe
The best idea is to say to anyone planing on wanting a accurate ESB costume or any type of costume is. I plan to make a accurate costume to THIS PHOTO or THIS SCENE. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
I hope I do not offend anyone but i am a pure realistic. :confused
Because whoever makes anything.. Even if it is a cast of an original someone will always get picky. An exiting example is the ongoing discussion who has the best ANH Helmet. No offence to ANYBODY.. Rather backing up the propmakers. But like i said there... It all depends on what helmet it is cast of because there were several helmets used in that movie as well. Its Promo helmet, Hero, Stunt, and probably some more helmets in case they needed some extra. I do not belive all the helmets were identical. I can not confirm if it is a recast of another or who recasted who first. But what i do se is a ANH helmet with Wide neck and one with Narrow neck. Again i belive this is reflection of what version the propmaker have fallen in love with and done/ modified / Cleaned or just raw pull.
Because like i said before someone falls in love with a photo and to them that is accuracy. We can not ignore the fact that there is one answer to everything.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I rest my case.
I shown in 3 shots a split in the robe. If you watch the movie you will se the split if you slow it down. I have my sources as well :rolleyes
This is what we come down to:
ESB has Satin trim on the bottom of the Cape.
ESB Does NOT have Satin trim on the Bottom of the Cape.
ESB Has Satin from the lining falling down.
ESB Does not have satin from the lining falling down.
ESB Has a Chain on the Cape.
ESB Does not have a Chain on the Cape.
ESB uses a ROTJ armor.
ESB does not use a ROTJ armor.
ESB Has a Split in the Cape.
ESB Does NOT have a split in the cape.
ESB has a Short Robe and Cape.
ESB Has a Long Robe and Cape.
ESB Uses a Rubber armor.
ESB Dont use a Rubber armor.
Anything more we agree on? :eek
My advice.. If anyone want accuracy.. Go for all of the solutions because there is not ONE answer. :love Nobody will be satisfied. If you a person make a ESB from the red promoshot then that is WRONG.. :confused Why... Because it is not the same as the STUNT were they use another actor, another costume another armor and another helmet and the cape has a chain. But what makes the Stunt less or more accurate... :confused :confused (I am ironic and a bit sarcastic with allot of humor in this) WELL THE STUNT is NOT ACCURATE... The Other Version is.. :confused Now what version is that you might ask.. ( :lol THIS WHOULD BE THE BEST TIME TO BRING IN THE MONTY PHYTON ...Because NOBODY other than those LOGIC guys could make more sence to these issues than them.)
And If you are 5.10 Tall and with a 32 Waist size Dont even DARE to speak about accuracy if you plan to wear it.
heheheThe best idea is to say to anyone planing on wanting a accurate ESB costume or any type of costume is. I plan to make a accurate costume to THIS PHOTO or THIS SCENE. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
I hope I do not offend anyone but i am a pure realistic. :confused
Because whoever makes anything.. Even if it is a cast of an original someone will always get picky. An exiting example is the ongoing discussion who has the best ANH Helmet. No offence to ANYBODY.. Rather backing up the propmakers. But like i said there... It all depends on what helmet it is cast of because there were several helmets used in that movie as well. Its Promo helmet, Hero, Stunt, and probably some more helmets in case they needed some extra. I do not belive all the helmets were identical. I can not confirm if it is a recast of another or who recasted who first. But what i do se is a ANH helmet with Wide neck and one with Narrow neck. Again i belive this is reflection of what version the propmaker have fallen in love with and done/ modified / Cleaned or just raw pull.
Because like i said before someone falls in love with a photo and to them that is accuracy. We can not ignore the fact that there is one answer to everything.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I rest my case.
Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
I see it faintly in that picture but as was already said they must have only put it on the stunt armor because it is not prominent through most ESB.
Originally posted by kurtyboy@Feb 15 2006, 04:01 PM
ESB cape hook:
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Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
Originally posted by KevVader@Feb 15 2006, 11:17 PM
...I will agree that the only thing consistent about Vader's costume is the inconsistencies
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This is true. The best thing to do if you are going for accuracy is pick a scene and try to match it up. It seems to change so much.
R2B9
Well-Known Member
this is referring to Vader standing over Captain Needa's body. This is a popular shot from the movie, and I think maybe even a posed publicity photo. Wasn't that in the album art for the soundtrack? I remember seeing it back in 1980 and thinking, "damn, that's a big cape." What is the likelyhood of it not being Prowse in the suit in this photo? That would alter the dimensions a tad.
Durasteel Corporation
Well-Known Member
If I might borrow these from King Nothings new photos.
We DEFINATELY have a cape with an edge gentlemen.....what strikes me is how I nearly missed it as it blends in so well with this lighting (hint, hint lighting makes all the difference)....well, chain is new, but cape could be vintage....but at least shows that LFL was thinking of edges at some point....
so, without further ado:
oh, worth noting....there are definately some screen used ESB pieces on that suit; and it came from the UK, the housing place for most of the truly authentic ESB stuff.
We DEFINATELY have a cape with an edge gentlemen.....what strikes me is how I nearly missed it as it blends in so well with this lighting (hint, hint lighting makes all the difference)....well, chain is new, but cape could be vintage....but at least shows that LFL was thinking of edges at some point....
so, without further ado:
oh, worth noting....there are definately some screen used ESB pieces on that suit; and it came from the UK, the housing place for most of the truly authentic ESB stuff.
TMP
Sr Member
I belive that Photo comes from the Asian Sci fi museum in ... Is it Taiwan?
The trim does not look like leather it looks like fabric material like satin.
If it was leather it whould reflect with the blitz more similar to the bodysuit.
Since it does not behave the same way as leather in flash light conditions it tells me it must be of another material.
But i can not jump arround for this either.. Because this does not prove it is a ESB cape and Robe. Even if i am the person that whould probably be most happy to say it is. This suit shows allot of features. ANH, ESB & ROTJ
ANH chestbox
ROTJ Armor or Stunt ESB? (Stunt ESB is said to be ROTJ)
:unsure
I could have benefitted from this news if i wanted. But it whould be like lying to my self and saying.. " I was right"
But i must be realistic and not let my self conclude that that is a ESB.
I want the cape and robe to be ESB and that this is the cape and robe to be the Answer to all questions. But i can not confirm it.
But looking at the photos from the movie and not the promoshots it looks similar, But what version this cape and robe is to me unknown.
I personally still belive.
The Original cape and robe has satin lining on the inside.
The Cape has a Satin Trim at the bottom.
The Robe has a Split
The trim does not look like leather it looks like fabric material like satin.
If it was leather it whould reflect with the blitz more similar to the bodysuit.
Since it does not behave the same way as leather in flash light conditions it tells me it must be of another material.
But i can not jump arround for this either.. Because this does not prove it is a ESB cape and Robe. Even if i am the person that whould probably be most happy to say it is. This suit shows allot of features. ANH, ESB & ROTJ
ANH chestbox
ROTJ Armor or Stunt ESB? (Stunt ESB is said to be ROTJ)
:unsure
I could have benefitted from this news if i wanted. But it whould be like lying to my self and saying.. " I was right"
But i must be realistic and not let my self conclude that that is a ESB.
I want the cape and robe to be ESB and that this is the cape and robe to be the Answer to all questions. But i can not confirm it.
But looking at the photos from the movie and not the promoshots it looks similar, But what version this cape and robe is to me unknown.
I personally still belive.
The Original cape and robe has satin lining on the inside.
The Cape has a Satin Trim at the bottom.
The Robe has a Split
Durasteel Corporation
Well-Known Member
Im split on your robe thing..... Do some more research and post some stuff.
seriously, youve got my attention
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Do some more research and post some stuff.seriously, youve got my attention
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Ok if you look at the cape in the ESB bounty hunter scene watch that edge of the cape as it crumples...that's the behavior of a satin lining or similar material, not leather. Even thin leather would not crumple or warp so easily as the cape flowed. There's no question there is a lining of some kind there...were the Star Destroyer bridge shots done later in the production? Maybe they had to add the lining later on....
:cheers,
Thomas
:cheers,
Thomas
Durasteel Corporation
Well-Known Member
Im....on edge here guys. Not sure either way.
Not sure either way.
KevVader
Sr Member
I agree Thomas...that the pix look like it is indeed a satin type material for the edge. As far as it being the cape lining hanging down? I dunno, I'm still undecided...but some frames look as though that may be the case....although lighting will do weird things.
Problem is, I don't see any logical reason to construct the cape that way. It would be more complicated to measure, cut and sew a lining that will not be stitched to the edge of the cape material. Instead of hemming once, you would now have to hem twice...the cape edge, then the satin lining edge...and satin is difficult to hem properly on itself as it is a very thin & slippery material....stitches show up very easily, much easier to hide a stitch in a heavy material, like wool. Makes no sense....but of course, that wouldn't be the first time....
Problem is, I don't see any logical reason to construct the cape that way. It would be more complicated to measure, cut and sew a lining that will not be stitched to the edge of the cape material. Instead of hemming once, you would now have to hem twice...the cape edge, then the satin lining edge...and satin is difficult to hem properly on itself as it is a very thin & slippery material....stitches show up very easily, much easier to hide a stitch in a heavy material, like wool. Makes no sense....but of course, that wouldn't be the first time....
