UK bans the import of *anything remotely harmful*...
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ZOMBIEREPELLENT
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Re: UK bans import of replica firearms...
Here's an idea, why not give everyone in the uk a replica firearm, that way when someone being held up whips out one bigger than the person holding them up does, the criminal will then bow to them. :lol
Here's an idea, why not give everyone in the uk a replica firearm, that way when someone being held up whips out one bigger than the person holding them up does, the criminal will then bow to them. :lol
Emeldahay
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HEMAPHRODITES AGAINST GUNS = H.A.G
MOTHERS AGAINST GUNS = M.A.G
You seldom hear from...
FATHERS AGAINST GUNS = F.A.G
BROTHERS AGAINST GUNS = B.A.G
GRANNIES AGAINST GUNS = G.A.G
HEMAPHRODITES AGAINST GUNS = H.A.G
Eagle
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Just interested - not trying to cause a ruck.
What I meant was some States forbid carrying do they not?
But why not?
Just interested - not trying to cause a ruck.
defstartrooper
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The banning of firearms anywhere is insane all you accomplish is to take away guns from law abiding responsible people no criminal ever thought i'd better not buy a gun it's illegal.
Whilst i believe that there should be restrictions on buying or owning firearms I.E proper background checks and licenses to ban them is futile
The banning of firearms anywhere is insane all you accomplish is to take away guns from law abiding responsible people no criminal ever thought i'd better not buy a gun it's illegal.
Whilst i believe that there should be restrictions on buying or owning firearms I.E proper background checks and licenses to ban them is futile
the DOCTOR
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Does this mean, as a law-abiding citizen ( :confused), that I have to go and hand in my Bladerunner blaster, and my replica Colt 45, and my Star Trek phasers, and my home made Steam-punk blaster?
Methinks that, once again, the current Govt. has reacted badly- remember 'Education, Education, Education', 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', and 'NHS, NHS, NHS'- as soon as the next headline came along, they were all forgotten!
What's needed is a crackdown on illegal REAL guns, not toys; what next: people get killed by cars, ergo: no more cars?
Does this mean, as a law-abiding citizen ( :confused), that I have to go and hand in my Bladerunner blaster, and my replica Colt 45, and my Star Trek phasers, and my home made Steam-punk blaster?
Methinks that, once again, the current Govt. has reacted badly- remember 'Education, Education, Education', 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', and 'NHS, NHS, NHS'- as soon as the next headline came along, they were all forgotten!
What's needed is a crackdown on illegal REAL guns, not toys; what next: people get killed by cars, ergo: no more cars?
agent5
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WHY can't Brits understand why guns will never be outlawed here in the US? I mean, even when I tell them that it's part of our constitution, which has never been altered, they still seem to think it can happen. They keep asking why.
Do you really have to live here to fully understand what it means? That out country was FOUNDED ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!! What will it take to make those in the UK understand? I don't understand the disillusionment. It seems very cut and dry to me.
Here, I give you the bottom line: If you ban guns those who still want them to commit whatever crime, will find a way to get them nomatter where you live and what laws apply.
WHY can't Brits understand why guns will never be outlawed here in the US? I mean, even when I tell them that it's part of our constitution, which has never been altered, they still seem to think it can happen. They keep asking why.
Do you really have to live here to fully understand what it means? That out country was FOUNDED ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!! What will it take to make those in the UK understand? I don't understand the disillusionment. It seems very cut and dry to me.
Here, I give you the bottom line: If you ban guns those who still want them to commit whatever crime, will find a way to get them nomatter where you live and what laws apply.
rad1701
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There are so many real guns now in the world, if you want one you will be able to get one. I'm not a gun law expert, but I don't think anywhere in the USA bans having a firearm. Where and how you can carry them I think is up to all the permits and licensing you have to get, etc.
P.S. I'm not super pro-gun but check this article out about a place in the US that requires each head of the house to own and maintain a gun. In over 25 years, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
There are so many real guns now in the world, if you want one you will be able to get one. I'm not a gun law expert, but I don't think anywhere in the USA bans having a firearm. Where and how you can carry them I think is up to all the permits and licensing you have to get, etc.
P.S. I'm not super pro-gun but check this article out about a place in the US that requires each head of the house to own and maintain a gun. In over 25 years, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
Eagle
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It will never happen of course - but not because it's our "constitutional right" to be denied this protection.
Absolutely - I'm not arguing with that. I'm asking why the Constitution can't be changed? Our laws and inherent rights (alledgedly) change all the time - as do most in all modern societies. There is no reason on earth why the Constitution (and the various ammendments) can't be re-written again if the American public wish it so.
True, hence why I posted this thread. Relax, I'm on your side - I happen to fully support the the right to bear arms (in the home) here in the UK.
It will never happen of course - but not because it's our "constitutional right" to be denied this protection.
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defstartrooper
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Perhaps because the arguement that thats how its always been and always will be is no arguement at all.
America and indeed the British Empire were built on slavery and it was every citezens right to own slaves.
I think most people would agree that this was wrong and indeed ceased in the end.
I am not anti guns myself and i don't forsee America banning firearms for a number of reasons but the constitution is not one of them it's such a weak arguement.
Perhaps because the arguement that thats how its always been and always will be is no arguement at all.
America and indeed the British Empire were built on slavery and it was every citezens right to own slaves.
I think most people would agree that this was wrong and indeed ceased in the end.
I am not anti guns myself and i don't forsee America banning firearms for a number of reasons but the constitution is not one of them it's such a weak arguement.
agent5
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I'm no history expert, but I believe none of the main part of our constitutaion have ever been changed. Our constitution is what makes the U.S. what it is since it was written by our forefathers. The fabric of our society in the US. This is why nobody dare change it. I think the vast majority here, nomatter how picky you can get about it, don't want to see it changed. I think most American's agree that even though we are still a much flawed nation, we still consider ourselves the greatest nation in the world. Some may disagree, but then you're most likely not American.
I think most American's don't want to start screwing up a system that has for the most part, worked for us for hundreds of years. That's the bottom line.
I'm not mad, Eagle, I've just had this conversation with quite a few of my British bretheren this past week and none of them get it, even when fully explained.
Rad,
There are federal, state, county and in some cases, city/town laws regarding guns. I live outside Chicago and all firearms other than (I'm pretty sure) 22. calibre rifles and shotguns are banned in the city limits. I, outside the city can buy just about any semi-auto firearm I choose so long as I pass a backround check and a waiting period of I don't know how long. I think 3 days.
Places like Alaska and Texas only abide by the federal laws and most people can carry concealed weapons. Surprise! Those states have incredibly low crime rates of gun violence. I wonder why?
I'm no history expert, but I believe none of the main part of our constitutaion have ever been changed. Our constitution is what makes the U.S. what it is since it was written by our forefathers. The fabric of our society in the US. This is why nobody dare change it. I think the vast majority here, nomatter how picky you can get about it, don't want to see it changed. I think most American's agree that even though we are still a much flawed nation, we still consider ourselves the greatest nation in the world. Some may disagree, but then you're most likely not American.
I think most American's don't want to start screwing up a system that has for the most part, worked for us for hundreds of years. That's the bottom line.
I'm not mad, Eagle, I've just had this conversation with quite a few of my British bretheren this past week and none of them get it, even when fully explained.
Rad,
There are federal, state, county and in some cases, city/town laws regarding guns. I live outside Chicago and all firearms other than (I'm pretty sure) 22. calibre rifles and shotguns are banned in the city limits. I, outside the city can buy just about any semi-auto firearm I choose so long as I pass a backround check and a waiting period of I don't know how long. I think 3 days.
Places like Alaska and Texas only abide by the federal laws and most people can carry concealed weapons. Surprise! Those states have incredibly low crime rates of gun violence. I wonder why?
RKW
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You've got to admit there's an irony in the American constitutional right to bear arms and the number of assassinated or assassination attempts on their presidents and other influential people of history.
I guess us Brits struggle to understand the American constitution never changing because our history is so much greater than yours and has constantly evolved.
You've got to admit there's an irony in the American constitutional right to bear arms and the number of assassinated or assassination attempts on their presidents and other influential people of history.
I guess us Brits struggle to understand the American constitution never changing because our history is so much greater than yours and has constantly evolved.
Eagle
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Can we get back to the original subject?
Cool. :cool Me neither - it's all good discussion.
Can we get back to the original subject?
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So true... there have always been assasins. But by that reasoning... why even have police? Criminals are going to do everything they can to get around them anyway, aren't they?
If crooks know that everyone has a gun, they'll get bigger guns. If everyone gets bigger guns the crook will catch you alone and shoot you first without asking questions, not taking any chances of being defended against. It just escalates like the Cold War. Balance of terror may work for a while, but sooner or later someone will snap and then there'll be a lot of death-dealing hardware around that needs to be gotten rid of.
I do think the UK ban is idiotic and I do think that proven responsible adults should be able to have access to a real gun if they want to, but it needs to be strictly controlled. It should be a privilege and not a right. Most of us aren't mature enough to handle it (though we may think we are). If humans can't even follow the simple, crash-reducing and easy principle of keeping a good distance between cars on the freeway... how're we supposed to deal with weapons?
I for one would be very interested to hear some official info on the UK ban and how it will affect collectors there. Can't you guys in the UK contact your officials and get some answers? I'll bet they don't have a clue that this might infringe upon the hobby of collecting scifi weapons.
So true... there have always been assasins. But by that reasoning... why even have police? Criminals are going to do everything they can to get around them anyway, aren't they?
If crooks know that everyone has a gun, they'll get bigger guns. If everyone gets bigger guns the crook will catch you alone and shoot you first without asking questions, not taking any chances of being defended against. It just escalates like the Cold War. Balance of terror may work for a while, but sooner or later someone will snap and then there'll be a lot of death-dealing hardware around that needs to be gotten rid of.
I do think the UK ban is idiotic and I do think that proven responsible adults should be able to have access to a real gun if they want to, but it needs to be strictly controlled. It should be a privilege and not a right. Most of us aren't mature enough to handle it (though we may think we are). If humans can't even follow the simple, crash-reducing and easy principle of keeping a good distance between cars on the freeway... how're we supposed to deal with weapons?
I for one would be very interested to hear some official info on the UK ban and how it will affect collectors there. Can't you guys in the UK contact your officials and get some answers? I'll bet they don't have a clue that this might infringe upon the hobby of collecting scifi weapons.
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It has been proven so many times here in so many towns and states and in many countries.
Suppress citizen’s ownership of guns and you make a heaven for the criminal.
Check the facts: Australia took away to guns and crime jumped 35%.
A lady name Paxton Quigley was on the gun control side here in the states and fought to get guns banded and taken away.
To her horror after 10 years when she studied the records and statistics, in these she found in every case when gun laws were passed more women were raped, assaulted and killed; when these laws failed to pass or were repealed women were much safer.
She found:
Gun control laws DO not make anyone safer. And the police have been sued for failure to stop a crime and have won every time, they are NOT responsible to protect any one person, and they are to protect the city.
Person protection is up to each person and not the cops. If a cop fails to save you he is not responsible and not accountable.
She switched sides and has taught women how to shoot and to defend themselves and fount to stop all gun control laws.
Police only can do something AFTER the crime has been committed, not before and often not during.
What was the first thing Hitler and Stalin did?? Ban and take away the guns.
Every POLICE STATE bans guns and takes then away. Why? To stop uprisings.
sinations have been done with bombs and poison.
My 2 cents.
Rich
It has been proven so many times here in so many towns and states and in many countries.
Suppress citizen’s ownership of guns and you make a heaven for the criminal.
Check the facts: Australia took away to guns and crime jumped 35%.
A lady name Paxton Quigley was on the gun control side here in the states and fought to get guns banded and taken away.
To her horror after 10 years when she studied the records and statistics, in these she found in every case when gun laws were passed more women were raped, assaulted and killed; when these laws failed to pass or were repealed women were much safer.
She found:
Gun control laws DO not make anyone safer. And the police have been sued for failure to stop a crime and have won every time, they are NOT responsible to protect any one person, and they are to protect the city.
Person protection is up to each person and not the cops. If a cop fails to save you he is not responsible and not accountable.
She switched sides and has taught women how to shoot and to defend themselves and fount to stop all gun control laws.
Police only can do something AFTER the crime has been committed, not before and often not during.
What was the first thing Hitler and Stalin did?? Ban and take away the guns.
Every POLICE STATE bans guns and takes then away. Why? To stop uprisings.
sinations have been done with bombs and poison.
My 2 cents.
Rich
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Re: UK bans import of replica firearms...
(Sorry guys... i did try to get it back on track...) :$
Ok, I'll buy into some of that argument. If you have a country with a moderate amount of crime where almost everyone can pack a firearm, taking them away from the population will probably result in a "Wohoo! There's nothing to stop us now!" attitude from the criminals unless other measures are taken to compensate (i.e. efforts to fight poverty, more visible patrolling cops etc).
In a situation (like we have where I am for example) where the general populace has basically never had (almost) uncontrolled access to firearms, the opposite would be true. Less guns in circulation from the start=greater safety... that's the way it is here at least. (Or maybe it's something in the water making us all pacified.)
Well, I certainly don't consider the place I live to be anything close to a Police State ... quite the opposite in fact(and we've got pretty strict gun control). I can take my video camera out on the street and make a fan film without a permit or the cops coming by to hassle me. I can take photos in any mall without security guards demanding that I stop. I can walk or stand anywhere I want without getting a citation for loitering. I can walk through a privately owned patch of forest freely without worrying about getting a hail of buckshot in my back for trespassing. To me at least, that's worth more than having a 9mm Beretta under my pillow. (Though I will admit that if I did have one, it probably wouldn't be easy to let it go.)
Ok, now back on track... how 'bout it you guys in the UK? Are you on the case to find out how this'll affect the prop hobby there?
(Sorry guys... i did try to get it back on track...) :$
Ok, I'll buy into some of that argument. If you have a country with a moderate amount of crime where almost everyone can pack a firearm, taking them away from the population will probably result in a "Wohoo! There's nothing to stop us now!" attitude from the criminals unless other measures are taken to compensate (i.e. efforts to fight poverty, more visible patrolling cops etc).
In a situation (like we have where I am for example) where the general populace has basically never had (almost) uncontrolled access to firearms, the opposite would be true. Less guns in circulation from the start=greater safety... that's the way it is here at least. (Or maybe it's something in the water making us all pacified.)
Well, I certainly don't consider the place I live to be anything close to a Police State ... quite the opposite in fact(and we've got pretty strict gun control). I can take my video camera out on the street and make a fan film without a permit or the cops coming by to hassle me. I can take photos in any mall without security guards demanding that I stop. I can walk or stand anywhere I want without getting a citation for loitering. I can walk through a privately owned patch of forest freely without worrying about getting a hail of buckshot in my back for trespassing. To me at least, that's worth more than having a 9mm Beretta under my pillow. (Though I will admit that if I did have one, it probably wouldn't be easy to let it go.)
Ok, now back on track... how 'bout it you guys in the UK? Are you on the case to find out how this'll affect the prop hobby there?
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