Tron Legacy Movie Review

You do see a "younged up" Bruce in the flashback seen.

I love how the flashback is "pixelated" through the haze of memory. Sort of like that young-Clint stuff in IN THE LINE OF FIRE. Crappy rez hides a multitude of sins, I guess.

I wish the costumes Flynn, CLU and TRON were wearing in the flashbacks had a little more nod to the old Grid, though. Maybe even the same stuff (I know it's not 1981) but with the colors reversed? White leathers with black accents? I dunno. There wasn't any zeppelin-like cue that it was early-days.
 
How long was Flynn in there? Why did he age in the computer? Where was this world? In that sea of computers at the beginning? If they are programs, why have limitations like we have in the physical world? Instead of flying a plane, why not just grow wings? How did Sam just walk out of the police station? If all the people in the Tron world are programs and they have a specific purpose, why do they have time to sit around and watch motorcycle races? Did Flynn's computer house seem very 2001-ish?

When Sam entered the Tron world, it was very anti-climatic. I was wondering how they would show the whole digitization journey, but there was just a bang and the room looks no different.

Best part of whole movie? Recognizers!
 
It's interesting, because I read this movie as being exactly the opposite. Heck, even the vainly perfection-seeking antagonist is the one realized in the film by this "artifice".

You know how we know Flynn is a perfection-seeking antagonist who became a slave to his own ambition? Because he tells us so in a completely artificial bit of explanatory monologuing.

Tron doesn't dramatize its themes; it explains them in long, tedious, expository chunks of dialogue.

Like last year's overhyped, overblown and overrated Avatar.

Okay, that’s just lame.
 
I love how the flashback is "pixelated" through the haze of memory. Sort of like that young-Clint stuff in IN THE LINE OF FIRE. Crappy rez hides a multitude of sins, I guess.

I wish the costumes Flynn, CLU and TRON were wearing in the flashbacks had a little more nod to the old Grid, though. Maybe even the same stuff (I know it's not 1981) but with the colors reversed? White leathers with black accents? I dunno. There wasn't any zeppelin-like cue that it was early-days.

The reason why there's very little of Boxleitner being "younged up" in the film is because apparently 1/5th of the movies budget (or something akin to that) was used on making the CLU/young Jeff Bridges face. That kind of CGI is UBER expensive, and it just wasn't in the budget to do it for two entirely separate actors for long periods of time (and by long periods, meaning multiple minutes instead of a few seconds). I agree they should've at least show you Tron's face after he Reboots and stops being Rinzler. Heck I even think that Tron should've done a last minute save, enabling Older Flynn to go back to the real world. That at least would've ended up making Sam's story and the tech they're bringing back seem more legit.

And for a callback to the old grid uniforms: That would've been PERFECT for Tron and CLU, but I think they tried to explain it away they were on a new grid that Flynn created, so therefore the interior/clothing was different. The thing I don't understand is the ISO's. How, if Flynn created a new grid, were they an elder race of naturally occurring programs? I could believe that being the case if they went onto the Old Grid from the original Tron Era (82), as by 7 years later when Flynn disappears, it'd have been thousands of Cycles by then, but I don't understand this elder culture appearing in the new Grid Flynn built.
 
How, if Flynn created a new grid, were they an elder race of naturally occurring programs? I could believe that being the case if they went onto the Old Grid from the original Tron Era (82), as by 7 years later when Flynn disappears, it'd have been thousands of Cycles by then, but I don't understand this elder culture appearing in the new Grid Flynn built.


I think he mentioned time on the grid was different, that if he was there for a few minutes, it was actually days. So him being in there for 20 some years, was probably closer to 40 or 50...
 
How long was Flynn in there?

20 years, according to the film.

Why did he age in the computer?

Unclear, but perhaps because he wasn't a program, he ages in real time, outside of the cycle timeframe of the grid. But remember in the original Tron, there was Dumont, who also was supposedly very old.

Where was this world?

Flynn created a new Grid back in the late 80's after realizing it's potential in the first movie. And when you become CEO and President of a Multi-Billion dollar company like ENCOM, you probably can just "do stuff" like that.

In that sea of computers at the beginning?

No, those were ENCOM's private servers. Most likely the Grid was held entirely in the Computer located in Flynn's Private office underneath the arcade. he had a small server farm down there too. Though he could be hooked into ENCOM's mainframe, I don't think so, becuase someone would've noticed that Flynn's computer was hooked into their grid and checked out his private office when Flynn went missing in 1989 (at least I'd hope to think they would).

If they are programs, why have limitations like we have in the physical world? Instead of flying a plane, why not just grow wings?

Good Question. A very Matrix like one at that (e.g. When neo gets good enough at manipulating the matrix, he is able to bend the laws of physics inside it to his will, thus Neo doing his "superman thing" as other characters refer to it). I would surmise that it is a) because these programs seem to be made in the image of their "god", so therefore they can't just manifest wings any more than we can in the real world. If you have a good enough programmer, like Flynn was, then you can probably trifle with their DNA, like how Quorra got her Arm back Or it could be b) they wanted to show off as many cool vehicles to justify thier CGI Budget, sell toys, and/or it was in the script.

How did Sam just walk out of the police station?

The fact that he knows the name of the guy who he needs to get his motorcycle out of impound from and refers to him on a personal level, kinda infers that he's had legal troubles before and goes in and out of jail regularly. Either that, or as he is the majority stockholder in ENCOM, as the defacto "owner" of the company, he probably said he didn't want to press charges against himself and was released. And even if that's not the case, Sam is virtually a billionaire, so I'm sure posting Bail was NO issue.

If all the people in the Tron world are programs and they have a specific purpose, why do they have time to sit around and watch motorcycle races?

Well, it seems like Flynn was creating his Grid to be basically another world, not a grid where a single program is appropriating other programs from around the net. No one said they were accounting programs, or Tax Programs, or Defense Programs, like in the original tron. It just seems like Flynn created a sandbox grid and gave all the programs in it Autonomy. The problem with that, is you are bound to program something that takes it's autonomy and becomes megalomaniacal. Hence CLU. Also, if there was no one there to watch the games, we wouldn't have the cool Games scene! Logic need not enter into it! :cool

Did Flynn's computer house seem very 2001-ish?

Yeah a bit. But I think most humans see the entire aspect of futuristic design as "backlit everything", so it kinda makes sense.

When Sam entered the Tron world, it was very anti-climatic. I was wondering how they would show the whole digitization journey, but there was just a bang and the room looks no different.

True, that was a bit disappointing. I was hoping for more of a higher tech version of the block by block digitizing that was done to Flynn in the first movie. But I think they wanted to throw us right into the action. I was also disappointed that we didn't focus at all on very much of the ENCOM based stuff either. Why hire a name like Cillian Murphy to play Dillinger's son if you're not going to use him for more than 3 minutes of screen time? I smell sequel.

Best part of whole movie? Recognizers!

Agreed! The Lightcyle race was also badass!
 
I think he mentioned time on the grid was different, that if he was there for a few minutes, it was actually days. So him being in there for 20 some years, was probably closer to 40 or 50...

Right, but If he'd only created the grid a few years earlier, how does an elder civilization just "pop up" in even a 100 cycle timeframe? I need to watch the movie again to figure this out. Also they were treating the whole "going onto the grid" as if it was some vast unexplored frontier, not like it was something Flynn built. If they went inside some ancient computer from a technologically advanced civilization, I could understand "exploring the frontier" on the grid, but he built the thing. Just seemed odd to me that they were surprised by so much of what was going on in the grid if he made it.
 
Tron doesn't dramatize its themes; it explains them in long, tedious, expository chunks of dialogue.

If that were the sole theme of the piece, you might have a point there. It's just one aspect of an overall thematic structure depicted through Sam's journey as a character. Sure, Flynn's realization in regard to the topic we were discussing happens completely off-screen (a well exploited transmedia opportunity, by the way) but that was necessarily so, as it merely sets the table for his character's movement, rather than comprising it entirely.
 
I saw the movie... and I can not put into words how I feel about it, so I put this together in photoshop...

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How long was Flynn in there?

They said: twenty years. they made a big deal of the stylized 1989 logo on the back of Sam's helmet, so I don't think it'd be too hard to imagine it's 21. Present day.

Why did he age in the computer?

i just assumed it was because he was a user, although there were old guys in the original grid, too. Remember Dumont? And did you see Sam's garage/apartment? DUMONT MOTORS or whatever, right across the gate? But either way, with the ISOs they sold the DNA/digital interface.


Where was this world?

The same place the bank has your money.

If they are programs, why have limitations like we have in the physical world? Instead of flying a plane, why not just grow wings?

Well, they did. Sam did those ladybug wings, in the middle of Act III.

When Sam entered the Tron world, it was very anti-climatic. I was wondering how they would show the whole digitization journey, but there was just a bang and the room looks no different.

I can imagine after Kevin gets bamfed into the grid in 1981 that he might code a similar space so as to aid the transfer, psychologically.
 
he was the dude definitely.

from another messageboard

"Also, a thought occurred to me as Sam backed up the server. What would have happened if he had done that before hitting the grid? Would there then be two Kevin Flynn's, both capable of entering the physical world?"
 
I just got back from seeing it and I loved it. I am still processing everything that i saw, but it was very good and I will buy the DVD.
 
Twenty years our time, but how many years 'Tron' time? I thought he was in there long enough to basically become a different person. I found this on another forum:

If 1 millicycle ~ 8 hours
and 1 hour ~ 1 minute (very rough estimates as these are comparisons used in casual speak)

then 480 hours ~ 8 hours ~ 1 millicycle

If Flynn's been missing 20 years...
20 years (175,200 hours) ~ 10,512,000 hours ~ 1,314,000 millicycles = (if 1 millisecond = 1/1000 second) 1314 cycles.

20 years real world ~ 1300 'grid' cycles

This seems to be in line with the rough statements of things like "1000 cycles" and whatnot... and that Flynn's been in there a respectable 60 times the equivalent real-world.
 
"What would have happened if he had done that before hitting the grid?"

I hate questions like that, because, no ****: there's no movie.

What would happen if the shark goes south instead of to Amity Island? What would happen if John and Holly McClane never divorced? What would happen if Ripley never hits the shipping lanes? What if Apollo 13's tanks don't blow? What if Jack Burton wins the card game? What if Dr. Banner's radiation experiment follows protocol?
 
Glad to see Larry and Mike both liked it. IMHO that says a lot about this movie. (Mainly it says this movie has kickass "spacesuits")

ROFLMAO! Sorry, that just really cracked me up for some reason, heh.

Larry, weird. I conferred with my buddy after the showing, he confirmed: no subtitle. Why DO they do these things?

Yep, it was me who said 'polarise'. This should be an interesting discussion, no?

Nick - I've been touting the humour! I have, I have! People, it's funny, go see it!

I figured it out about 6 months ago. No one else has a T on their chest!

LOL. Didn't take far into the film to work it out.

The 13 year old kid that stood up and said "holy crap Tron was BADASS! He is still alive I bet" was priceless. I Thought the kids would not like this movie. People were HYPED walking out of there.

That's comedy gold. :) People were very hyped in my audience - seriously, more than a third, maybe half of them were still in their seats, talking, EXCITEDLY, after the curtains closed! Never, ever seen that before.
 
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The closing titles named the movie as TRON LEGACY. Just clearing that up.


LOVED this movie. Made me very happy, and I'll be seeing it again multiple times in the theatre.
 
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