Tron Legacy Movie Review

[Nwerke]

1) Rewrite/development hell holdovers? Gnostic dualism? Take your pick!
2) See above (also, she had Flynn's...maybe it carried a backup of her data file/soul?)
3) I think he did in a sense - his soul/data came back, as his body would have done if they'd gotten it into the Portal. Perhaps it's enough to recreate him, if there's a second sequel? Or perhaps that's not necessary, given Flynn's apparent deification.
4) Good question. Sure looks like.
5) That'd be copying a soul!
6) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of Flynn moved upon the face of the waters. All the programs had been corrupted into soldiers, the ISOs were all dead barring Quorra, nobody else was left to save: looks like a reset to me.

 

[Larry Young]

It's like they spent most of the time showing off a technology that wasn't there yet.

... kinda like the first one.

/rimshot!

 

[MorbidCharlie]

1. why was 're-integration' necessary for flynn to return?
2. if he couldn't return without his disc, how did quorra return without a disc
3. if they brought kevin flynn's disc back, wouldn't he have just materialized on earth with the rest of them / and quorra not materialized?
4. True / False - the disc was their 'digital soul'
5. why didn't CLU just copy Kevin Flynn's disc when he had the chance.
6. Did Kevin Flynn destroy the entire world or was that not destruction but a visual rep of the transfer into a usb key?

My interpretation :

1. I have no idea. I think I remember it being said in the movie that Flynn would die if he left without CLU. So, when Flynn wasn't in the Grid, was CLU not either? If that's the case, why even bother creating a likeness of yourself?
2. Did the movie actually state that he couldn't return without his disc? I don't recall this. I think Flynn's disc held the key to getting out, which is why Sam had to use it, and CLU needed it.
3. See answer to number 2.
4. Identity discs hold the programs code. When they accessed Sam's disc, it showed recent memories. I would say no... user's discs just hold memory, or knowledge.
5. Not possible in TRON canon? I have no idea. That's never been suggested or addressed, so I assume you can't do it.
6. I'm not really sure what happened there. There was a big explosion seen from a distance, well outside the borders of the city, but it didn't seem to destroy the Grid. A cliffhanger in case Disney is able to secure Jeff Bridges again for a sequel, and if they can't, the Grid is still there.

All this, of course, is guesswork on my part.

 

[Jet Beetle]

I worked on a draft of Tron back in 01 for Disney - the first draft, I believe. Right off the bat it was decided not to bring Lisberger back, even though he had a pretty good idea for a sequel - and then they decided on the one thing I thought really killed the movie for me - they wanted to the story contained in a small program and the internet information superhighway was to be left alone. - Ugh. The first thing people think of when you would say "we're doing a sequel to Tron" is "Cool, now you've got computers everywhere." and they would go about listing all of the places and situations that could be explored - nope, none of that.

 

[jt001]

That would have been much better!!!

IIRC, I don't think Flynn would die if he left CLU. After all, that's why he created him... so he could work along with TRON on the digital world (he was supposed to "think" like Flynn) and build the "perfect world", while Flynn was outside on the real world. Smewhere along the line, he became corrupted with power, perhaps?

I don't think he destroyed the whole world. I agree with MorbidCharlie. Don't forget that "the guy who was drowning" had an epiphany. He also switched colors while he was sinking, so that also adds up to MorbidCharlie's theory. He can be brought back as a good guy.

 

[micdavis]

I thought it was terrific, and everyone that I went with liked it as well. It'll make bank.

 

[Carson Dyle]

What a brainless, soulless, pointless mess.

I saw a rough cut about a year ago, so I had some idea what I was in store for. I knew, for example, that the film would not satisfy on anything approaching a dramatic level. Still, I held out hope that the visuals would hold my attention. And for about 10 minutes they did, after which time the monotony of Tron's relentlessly repetitive and unimaginative production design had me squirming out of my seat.

Don't get me wrong; I have no problem with a triumph of style over substance as long as the style in question is varied and rich, a la Terry Gilliam or Ridley Scott or, for that matter, George Lucas. The problem with Tron (well, one of the problems) is that it makes a better one sheet than it does a movie.

All things being equal, I would rather have spent two hours watching my son play video games. God knows it would have been more emotionally compelling than Tron: Legacy.

 

[nickytea]

Carson, I'm actually a little bummed to hear that. I guess we can't always agree. :lol

For those who enjoyed it or are interested in some of the analytical interpretations floating around about the movie, this is one of the best I've found. Lines up quite a bit with my reaction to Legacy:

Both Guns Drawn: `TRON Legacy' as Allegory - CraveOnline.com

 

[OldKen]

After getting up today and re-thinking it.

There is one OBVIOUS and annoying thing that could have made the whole movie better.

Have Kevin somehow get close to Rinzler and say things that only Alan would say to him etc. THEN have him snap out of it. Helmet OFF (IT'S TRON!) and Tron fighting CLU so Sam, Quorra AND Kevin could ALL escape.

How simple and better would THAT have been???

I can get past the rest of it. But the ending was a MAJOR letdown and a really missed opportunity.

The whole ending felt like... umm OK... now what? Uhh lets just throw all this together and somehow Kevin has the power to pull CLU... Yeah.

 

[Capn_Jack_Savvy]

This question is a long shot but was Cindy Morgan's Tron character in Tron Legacy? :confused

 

[nickytea]

This question is a long shot but was Cindy Morgan's Tron character in Tron Legacy? :confused

No.

She was barely in the first one. :lol

 

[Carson Dyle]

Carson, I'm actually a little bummed to hear that. I guess we can't always agree.

Well, fwiw, I've never been a huge fan of the original Tron (but it least it had the novelty of being original).

It's not that Legacy doesn't touch upon some interesting themes (parental abandonment being the most resonate), but its treatment of those themes is so rote and by-the-numbers they hardly register.

I realize Tron takes place in an computer generated universe, but that doesn't mean it should be inaccessible to humans. As I was watching the film I couldn't quite shake the feeling that it had been made by machines about machines for machines. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I find that sort of thing dull. Granted there's a lot of CG action, but it's hard to generate much jeopardy or excitement in a story so devoted to, and celebratory of, artificiality.

 

[nickytea]

it's hard to generate much jeopardy or excitement in a story so devoted to, and celebratory of, artificiality.

It's interesting, because I read this movie as being exactly the opposite. Heck, even the vainly perfection-seeking antagonist is the one realized in the film by this "artifice". I walked away from the movie firmly with the feeling that it stood against the pursuit of digital perfection at the expense of human interaction ... love being the only, real, attainable perfection.

 

[CTF]

What a brainless, soulless, pointless mess.

Like last year's overhyped, overblown and overrated Avatar.

 

[CB2001]

It's interesting, because I read this movie as being exactly the opposite. Heck, even the vainly perfection-seeking antagonist is the one realized in the film by this "artifice". I walked away from the movie firmly with the feeling that it stood against the pursuit of digital perfection at the expense of human interaction ... love being the only, real, attainable perfection.

Okay, now I can say this, as my previous post I said I would.

To me, when it comes to Clu and his army, they reminded me of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Clu's striving for perfection pretty much reminds me of Hitler's attempts at trying to make a "perfect" Germany in his own mindset. I know, it's a far off similarity, but Clu's actions and his army reminded me of that horrific historical figure.

 

[MorbidCharlie]

Edit :

Cindy Morgan's "Yori" didn't make it and wasn't acknowledged.

 

[nickytea]

I know, it's a far off similarity, but Clu's actions and his army reminded me of that horrific historical figure.

While I can acknowledge the historical/political interpretation -- there are obvious visual parallels -- I took this aspect of the film at it's personal implications: we often find ourselves neglected what's truly important in some vain pursuit to attain perfect, be it in our hobby or our career. In Flynn's case, it was all of those things wrapped into the timely package of technology. It's about that balance. While it provided the venue of their reconciliation, it was also the source of their separation.

I think most of us can relate to the fear of technology keeping us apart as humans, even in light of the great hope it presents.

 

[Larry Young]

That movie was ****ing awesome.

 

[CTF]

I still live ya, Larry.

 

[micdavis]

I still live ya, Larry.

You "live" him??!?!?