Tron Legacy Movie Review

i wonder where she got clothes that were normal :p

Well, it could be possible that those are the physical representation of her outfit. I mean, when it comes to the scenes with the young Kevin Flynn in not just the film, but the video game and the "Tron: Betrayal" comic, the outfit he has on in the Grid is not the same as his real world clothes (in the opening of the comics, you see him wearing the same jacket he had on in the first film, and still sporting mostly T-shirt and jeans). So, it's possible that when Quorra exited the system and became a physical person, the system replaced her outfit with a "real world equivalent" of it.

It make sense, as Sam entered the digital world still wearing his normal clothes, which were digital copies of his outfit, but when he left the digital environment, he was back in his normal clothes.
 
Now that you mention it, I'm glad I am not Sam. If I got in the grid as fat as I am, I would have looked pretty much like the Tron Guy :unsure
 
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It make sense, as Sam entered the digital world still wearing his normal clothes, which were digital copies of his outfit, but when he left the digital environment, he was back in his normal clothes.

I saw a video talking about the costumes, and the designer backs this up. (I need to find it again...)

Sam's jacket is leather, and he wears a cotton shirt. In the Grid these items are made of synthetic materials. It's a subtle difference.
 
- Way too much time wasted before entering the grid. Flynn/Sams story could have been told a lot quicker. Sam's introductory shenanigans were pretty funny but again, could've been done in a lot less time.

Well, since this IS suppose to follow Sam in the beginning, it makes sense that the beginning would follow the real world until Sam entered the digital realm. And since this film is suppose to, basically, cover events from 1989 to the current time, it makes sense that a lot of time is needed to EXPLAIN certain things, like how Sam and the whole world lost Kevin Flynn, and the results of losing him. Basically, we see how the real world in the "Tron" story has changed just as much as we've seen how Sam has changed since Flynn went missing (especially since Flynn discovered the ISOs and how they could help redefine the real world).

- I was totally disappointed with the transportation into the grid. Another opportunity for awesome and it was just a blink of nothing.

Actually, I liked the blink of an eye unexpectedness. If you think about it, it reflects the advancement of the laser technology Flynn was using to enter the grid in comparison to what was seen in the first film. The reason why the laser in the first film took so long to bring Flynn into the system because it was a new technology that hadn't been fully perfected, so naturally, the system would be slower. The comic "Betrayal" shows the same exit procedure occurring like it did in the first film (the first issue taking place in 1983), so its possible that between 1983 and 1989, Flynn somehow updated the laser technology to where it allowed for the transfer process to occur real quickly. And since Flynn was a head of his time (as we find out he came up with the concept of what we know as WiFi in 1985), it's possible he managed to make the upgrades to the laser himself.

Even more so, since we're following Sam, who has never been on the Grid before, making the "blink of an eye" transfer conveys the same feeling of unexpectedness the character goes through. If they had the same kind of transfer process shown in the first film, the audience would already know what was going on before the character did (like we see in the first film). If you're wanting the audience to go through what the character is going through, which is something for the first time, having it occur in a blink of an eye makes more sense.


-The sirens were cool and then completely forgotten about. And what was the point of them being locked into the wall when they could just roam the streets and hang out at bars? Was that their job or something? Shift work? LOL

Well, from what you see, there are other programs in the games. So, it's possible that, for the Sirens, they are actually transfered from one prep room to another, and it is their "job" to prepare programs for the games. And not all computer processes continue running in real computers (i.e. certain start up processes, such as running a check to see if an update for any programs is ready to be installed), so it makes sense that Sirens normally have a 'downtime period'.

- There could have been a way better story based around or even just build up to Sam finding Flynn...not meeting Clu and then being brought to Flynn immediately after. And then Flynn being overwhelmed to see his son, and then not really caring right after. "SO EXCITED... k whatev, see you at dinner." I get he was upset about the page but...really? They didn't talk like father/son until near the end.

Sam wasn't brought to Flynn immediately after. Sam was going to be put to death by being put on the Lightcycle Game Grid. Actually, I like the way they have the set up between Sam and Flynn. Think of it like this: the last time either of them saw each other was in 1989. Niether has seen each other for years. They are practically strangers to each other now. The dinner scene pretty much establishes about how much they know each other after so many years. This is what would REALLY happen. I should know, my dad and his father haven't seen or spoken to each other for years, and my dad has explained to me that he barely even knows the guy. If they sat down to dinner and hung out for a couple of days, they'd more than likely be like the Sam/Kevin relationship we see in the film.

- The interaction between Sam and Jem was some of the very little chemistry I felt between any of the actors... and then they 'removed her from the equation'. And she didn't even have a reaction to that.

She's a program that hasn't had any interaction with a user before, and only has had interactions with programs. If you pay attention, the same is true with other characters in the film. Clu and Quorra (as well as Zeus/Castor) both have had a lot of interactions with Flynn, thus they have a better understanding on what it is like to be "human" than Jem has, thus having some emotion. So, basically, there's a hierarchy of characters: Human Users who have a lot of emotions, program characters that have some emotions and programs that have no emotions. This hierarchy also applies to their "quality" too. Did you happen to notice that the Sirens look even more artificial than the programs that were at the End of Line Club? That's because the Siren's are lesser programs than compared to others. Trust me, the program hierarchy has been discussed before in one of many the behind the scenes videos I've seen.

- For computer programs, too many people in there were too dumb. Really? Creator of the world and you just need a bungee cord to steal your disc? ( And he goes from " HE CAN NOT HAVE MY DISC! " to " well ok he has it so let's just leave before him " ) And to steal it back you just beat up some guys (behind closed doors) and grab it again? More opportunities for epic battle/reaction scenes that never happened.

Flynn explained that he didn't want Clu to have the disc because he could use it to leave the Grid, thus threatening the real world. Due to Sam trying to get something done in order to get his father out, Flynn was forced into going back onto the Grid, thus leading to his disc being taken. So, that forced the only other option at the time, which was racing to the finish line and cutting off Clu before he can get to it. Basically, its cause and effect.

As for Flynn's disc being taken, you've got to remember one thing: THE WORLD EVOLVED ON FLYNN! Remember, he said that after the deaths and destruction of the ISOs, he pretty much went into the badlands. That "bungee cord" that took his disc probably didn't even exist at the time he "disappeared" off the grid. The system evolved without him being there.

As for the fight behind doors, do we REALLY need to see any more fights since we had a LOT of them before the scene you mention? Don't you think having "epic/awesome fights" in multiple scenes WOULDN'T become boring? And honestly, I think you'd complain about there being "too many fight scenes" if they had shown it. Basically, you would be complaining about the fighting either way.

You do not get a girlfriend by beating a video game. :LOL

It's not a video game movie and Quorra is not a girlfriend, yet. "Scott Pilgrim vs. The World" is a video game movie and Scott WON his girlfriend Ramona. My point: it depends on the story you're telling.

BUT, Quorra was cute ( although I felt no chemistry between her and Sam at all...)

The entire film was their first interactions together. Since Disney plans on making a trilogy, why not save something for the next film? Think of it like this: William Turner and Elizabeth Swann hated Jack Sparrow when they first met him in "Pirates of the Carribean: The Curse of the Black Pearl." They finally came to respect him a bit in the third movie.
 
Saw it opening night and LOVED it!!! It's a great movie, and a worthy sequel to the original which I watched again just hours before seeing Legacy. It's not a perfect movie, there are certainly rooms for improvement, but as it was I loved it and will probably see it again.

As for some criticisms..

Flynn channelling the Dude? Sorry folks, go back and watch the original. The Dude was channeling Flynn if anything. Flynn was a hippie in the original, the only reason you're seeing the Dude is because Bridges hasn't shaved his beard and you have no ability to distinguish between actor roles.

Tron's change in alllegiance being too quick. Tron up to the point at the movie where he had the fighter in his gun sights had never been ordered to kill a user, and certainly never the Flynn's. In the Disc Wars game he stopped from killing Sam as soon as he saw blood. In the aerial combat he couldn't bring himself to violate his primary function "fight for the user" when asked to KILL a user. Up to that point, killing other programs, might have been a struggle of conscience, but trying to kill a user caused a definite 'reboot' of his system.

No plot/Clu's motivations unclear/etc? Really? Did you watch the same movie I did or are you incapable of picking up on what's happening without everything being spoon fed to you? Clearly this movie isn't for you if you have to think. Move along and watch another Baysplosion Transformer movie with big metal balls between Devastator's legs to amuse you. Tron is clearly for those of us who can think and appreciate the subtleties of plot and the philosophical implications introduced in a virtual world that has the spontaneous development of LIFE. Guess it was too over your head if you missed the plot.

Clu's appearance. Granted, the deaging affects weren't a complete sell, they weren't completely convincing on profile shots particularly. But then again, the 'uncanny valley' effect made the character work even better as a ****ed up copy of Flynn. Works for me though I'm sure was unintentional.

The movie wasn't completely accessible to those who haven't seen the first, or at least haven't seen it recently. The DVDs for the 20th edition are going for $150 on Amazon. They should have gotten the original out there more, showed it on TV, etc to help refamiliarize people with Tron before seeing Legacy.

I understand why they made the quick transition from real world to the grid unlike the first one, but honestly I did like the transition video of flying down into the electronic grid and portal before rezzing up in the grid from the original. Different styles, different storytelling process, nothing more but I preferred the original's approach there.

Setting it up for a sequel .. they went into this with the thought of having a sequel, I'm sure. The introduction of the son of Dillinger, the way Tron sinking into the water began to glow blue signalling he was alive and back ot himself, Sam's backup memory stick with the original Tron disc symbol on it, all that sets up a sequel for the future if this does well.
 
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Saw Tron with my son and we both loved it. We plan to go and see it again this week and now he wants some Tron toys for christmas ans a Tron Costume for him self for up coming cons. LOL.
 
Young Jeff Bridges - They totally dropped the ball with this one. Sure, he looks good, right up until the point he begins to move or talk. Especially talk. It's not like we don't have the capability of getting real emotion and realistic facial animation out of digital characters. Hell, Gollum did it years ago, and Avatar sure as hell did it last year. I don't know why they didn't go with one of those tried-and-true methods.. instead they went with ten-year-old hand animation, and it sucked. Badly. I'm not against the idea of what they did.. in fact, the idea was brilliant, to have two versions of the actor, one from twenty years ago.. but the execution was very poor.

I thought the movie was good and agree about the de-ageing. Nice try but it just wasn't good enough.

I wonder why they didn't try the de-ageing like they did in the X-men movie. Maybe Jeff is a little too weathered.

All in all I will probably see it again.
 
My take on why Tron had on a helmet also alludes to the flashback. As CLU brings his disc down, although we don't see it, it would appear that the blow was to TRON's head. If you also notice, TRON has that weird "gurgle/click" sound when on screen. My take is that he took a massive injury that didn't kill him but was bad enough that he needed some "tourniqet" (the helmet) to function. Maybe explains why he turned? Brain dead badass?

By jove. I think he's got it! ;)
 
Heading out to see Tron: Legacy now in Imax... Having read all the reviews here and knowing how critical I can be, I am expecting to hate it, but you never know... I really liked Predators so ANYTHING is possible!
 
I gotta say that after seeing the film today with the family, I loved it BUT...........I liked the storyline better when George Lucas did it back in the late 70's and early 80's. Even my wife whispered to me during the scene with Sam in the gun turret "Don't get cocky, kid".:lol And I missed the tall golden and short trash can robots in this rendition. Hell it even had the guy in the black helmet who redeems himself in the end.

Great visuals along with some "WTF" moments to get you thinking. I'll buy it when it comes out on DVD.:thumbsup
 
We went to see Tron today in 3D and I have to admit that I really, really enjoyed it. It's definitely an enjoyable film and I plan on picking it up on dvd when it comes out. :)
 
So I have one question that I don't think has been addressed yet...

Now that she is in the real world, is Quorra human, or still a program?

On one hand, Sam bleeding in the ring showed that users retain their organic qualities when brought into the digital realm. If thats possible, by that logic can a program walk amongst men?

On the other side of the argument, how can a program work outside of a computer? Thats like saying my CD of photoshop should be able to work without running it on a computer.

I'm really confused. I mean, the first Tron took some logic defying liberties that we just have to believe are possible, but I want answers!
 
When Flynn repaired Quorra's arm, the 3D representation of the code he was trying to repair was a DNA double helix. The ISOs are reverse-users; instead of "life" to digital, they're digital to "life."

Honestly, I thought that was elegant.
 
When Flynn repaired Quorra's arm, the 3D representation of the code he was trying to repair was a DNA double helix. The ISOs are reverse-users; instead of "life" to digital, they're digital to "life."

Honestly, I thought that was elegant.

True, but I guess I am asking a literal question more than a metaphorical one. Indeed, Quorra is like Pinocchio in the sense shes has a soul but is also an object, not a living creature. But physically what is she in the real world?

Is she now of flesh and blood, or is she still made up of pixels (for lack of a better word)?

I can't help but think of that episode of Star Trek the Next Generation where Moriarty wanted to leave the holodeck, but since he was a computer program it wouldn't be physically possible.
 
Heading out to see Tron: Legacy now in Imax... Having read all the reviews here and knowing how critical I can be, I am expecting to hate it, but you never know... I really liked Predators so ANYTHING is possible!

Eagerly awaiting this review!

-Nick
 
That's a good question, and I like your TNG reference there.

Thanks for that!

The more and more I think about it, I guess I was expecting Quorra's role in the real world to be similar to Cortana's in the Halo franchise. An AI that would work with humans through technological means. Like how Flynn was able to "talk" to the original Clu through his PC in the original Tron. When he held up the memory card at the end I was certain that's what it was going to be like.

And then he walked outside and... well, there went that idea.
 
True, but I guess I am asking a literal question more than a metaphorical one. Indeed, Quorra is like Pinocchio in the sense shes has a soul but is also an object, not a living creature. But physically what is she in the real world?

Is she now of flesh and blood, or is she still made up of pixels (for lack of a better word)?

I can't help but think of that episode of Star Trek the Next Generation where Moriarty wanted to leave the holodeck, but since he was a computer program it wouldn't be physically possible.

Well, I don't think there is a literal answer, and I don't think TRON's story should be subject to TNG's physics. :)

I'm just a guy who goes to the movies, but I think if you buy the premise, you have to trust the storytellers and buy the movie. If you don't have any problem with flesh-and-blood Kevin Flynn being digitized into a computer in 1982 and then going back and forth between that world and the "real" world constantly for seven years until getting stuck there in 1989, I don't really see the problem with somebody coming out. They said ISOs manifested themselves, they're shown to have DNA; whatever mechanism puts Kevin and Sam into Whoville and then bamfs them back out again is the same as that which bamfs Quorra out and into Banana Republic gear marvelling at a sunrise on the back of a Ducati.

We all start out differnt and some end up at the same place, yeah? I think a literal reading of TRON: LEGACY is going to leave you disappointed.
 
Eagerly awaiting this review!

-Nick


Alright, here it is.

Just got back and all I can do is address those who have crapped on this movie.... what is wrong with you?!? Is this a perfect film? Absolutely not... but for crying out loud, the whole idea of the movie was about the danger of the single-minded pursuit of perfection (guess we just need to go ahead and shut this site down if we are giving up on that! ;))!

I am generally VERY critical of movies and have VERY little appreciation for "fun" flicks, but I didn't see this as a "fun" flick. It had excitement and entertainment in it and a LOT of heavy visuals, but underneath was a very interesting story! This movie has 10 times the depth of the original. The original centered around people going into a computer... and that was about as deep as it got. This was something entirely different!

Concerning CLU, I honestly don't know what you guys are complaining about. Show me another movie that has so extensively used a digitally enhanced character that was NOT a unique creation. I know someone was comparing this to gollum and that is ENTIRELY unfair. Gollam is 1) non-human and 2) something you have never seen. He had to match NO preconceived notions, so how ever he looked,essentially looked "right" as long as the lighting and "weight" was right. With this, our minds are incredibly sharp at detecting variations from what we know to be right. ANY variations of Bridge's characteristics or mannerisms stand out like a sore thumb and are an affront to our senses. Am I saying the CLU character was great? Far from it, but come on... seriously consider what was being attempted and fairly successfully achieved. I think many of you are being far too harsh and I think the overall success and believability of this character wasn't as bad as you are making out.

Daft Punk... ehhh... ok, maybe they showed them once or twice too much, but Mirax, who doesn't know who Daft Punk is, didn't even notice. It only stands out because you know them.

Overall, I thought this was an incredibly entertaining movie that provided more than just eye candy. I know some said it was all style and no substance, and I can only think that those people were so engaged by the amazing spread of style laid before us that they simply missed the substance. Go watch it again. I know I am!

One last thing. I really like Olivia Wilde on House (although I hated the character she was given to play) but I think she was 10 times the actress in this movie that I would have given her credit for watching her on House alone. I hope we see her in more in the future!
 
Well, I don't think there is a literal answer, and I don't think TRON's story should be subject to TNG's physics. :)

I'm just a guy who goes to the movies, but I think if you buy the premise, you have to trust the storytellers and buy the movie. If you don't have any problem with flesh-and-blood Kevin Flynn being digitized into a computer in 1982 and then going back and forth between that world and the "real" world constantly for seven years until getting stuck there in 1989, I don't really see the problem with somebody coming out. They said ISOs manifested themselves, they're shown to have DNA; whatever mechanism puts Kevin and Sam into Whoville and then bamfs them back out again is the same as that which bamfs Quorra out and into Banana Republic gear marvelling at a sunrise on the back of a Ducati.

We all start out differnt and some end up at the same place, yeah? I think a literal reading of TRON: LEGACY is going to leave you disappointed.



Good point. I need to sit down before I fall down. Even if there was a definitive answer, that would only lead to more questions.

Still, I wouldn't mind hearing other people's theories. At the end of the day though, it doesn't need to make sense. Its just a movie.
 
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