Trek Continuity?

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[Burke115]

I posted this over on the TPZ but thought I would throw it up for discussion here as well.

I received season one of TOS on Blu-ray for Christmas. I haven't watched some of these episodes for awhile and after watching The Menagerie I noticed a few things I either never noticed or forgot about.

Spock served with Captain Pike for 11 years, 4 months, and 5 days. The Menagerie takes place 13 years before this episode so this would mean Kirk took over from Pike about 1 1/2 years before The Menagerie took place. That is if Spock stayed with Pike until the end (I don't think Spock would be capable of leaving his Captain).

Before going in to see Pike Commodore Mendez asks Kirk if he ever met Pike and Kirk says he met him when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain. Mendez then says "About your age, a big handsome man, vital, active." This would have made him about 21 years old when he was Captain of the Enterprise?

The survey ship SS Columbia crashed on Talos IV 18 years before the events of The Cage, 31 years before the events in The Menagerie. We can assume warp drive technology had not been invented according to comments by Lieutenant Tyler in the survivor’s encampment and Captain Pike aboard the Enterprise. Tyler mentions that the time barrier had been broken to the unreal survivors and when addressing the crew earlier Pike says "our time warp factor, 7". So it looks like we can conclude that warp drive technology was invented only thirty years or so before Captain Kirk took command of the Enterprise. This makes the events of Metamorphosis, First Contact, and Enterprise a bunch of baloney.

Spock abandoned his Captain?
Apparently you were never in the Military!
You go where they tell you, when they tell you!
Capt. Pike's age?
You miss the word "ABOUT."
Also, when people are in their 40's and 50's, a 20 something could be considered close in age to a 30 something, a 10 or 15 year gap isn't seen as that large of a gap to an older man!
Further, people's perceptions of other people's ages can vary widely.

Lastly what does the time barrier mean?
Warp drive implies that they're capable of Warping space or....... SPACE/TIME!
MAKING TIME, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, ABSOLETE!!

I Know I'm about 7.5 years late to this party but I had to answer you!!

 

[Kovnyn]

Apparently, there are two sorts of dudes on the RPF: Those who want to debate chrono-kinetic time displacement and what it means vis-a-vis the "prime" time-stream, and those who think DUDE, YEOMAN LAWTON WAS ONLY SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD AND ASSIGNED TO THE FLAGSHIP!

Spock abandoned his Captain?
Apparently you were never in the Military!
You go where they tell you, when they tell you!
Capt. Pike's age?
You miss the word "ABOUT."
Also, when people are in their 40's and 50's, a 20 something could be considered close in age to a 30 something, a 10 or 15 year gap isn't seen as that large of a gap to an older man!
Further, people's perceptions of other people's ages can vary widely.

Lastly what does the time barrier mean?
Warp drive implies that they're capable of Warping space or....... SPACE/TIME!
MAKING TIME, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, ABSOLETE!!

I Know I'm about 7.5 years late to this party but I had to answer you!!

It's funny, I read this thread from start to finish, and this quote was all I could manage as a reply. Lol! Too bad some of the pics got lost over the last 7.5 years.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Kirk was "about 34" in the season 2 writers' bible. FWIW.

Which is a whole 'nother irritating thing with the Okudas' research for the official timeline. They either missed or failed to do the math for a bunch of little things. They arbitrarily either went with or ignored/missed stuff from the scripts to augment or reinforce the actually-screened stuff, where it doesn't contradict. And a whole long rant about how people treat stardates. I've done a lot of work sorting out the 23rd century timeline, as derived from aired/screened material, uncontradicted scripts, math, and three pieces of reasonable conjecture -- none my own -- based on all that other stuff.

Anyway, I took the line about Pike being "about your age" meaning at the time of his promotion -- but that would only have been a bit over a year earlier. So I suppose it holds up either way... But I don't like the further extrapolations. If Spock served under Captain Pike for eleven years and change, that'd have to mean Pike made Captain before age 23. So Mendez has to mean something earlier. Like maybe in response to Spock's length of service with him indicating Pike made Captain around Kirk's age at the time of the episode (while Kirk had already been Captain for a while when he got the Enterprise). Which would make Pike around 45 in that episode. Which works better.

Such an infuriatingly enjoyable exercise working to wring consistency from all of this...

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I know he's been gone for a while now, but the need to answer this has kept niggling at me...

Well, if you go down this road you have to explain the United Earth Space Probe Agency. :lol

It's in the name. An agency of the United Earth government. Not the same thing as Starfleet, which is a paramilitary organization of the combined Human worlds -- later absorbed intact into the Federation. Just as we see the various Enterprises on missions for the Federation Science Council or Vulcan Science Academy, so why not U.E.S.P.A.?

And I missed this the first few times through. Something must have distracted me. :behave

I'm still trying to understand why the Enterprise is said to be 20 years old in Star Trek III...

That would be 2265, shortly before Kirk took command. At which time the Enterprise was already twenty years old. Some have speculated a refit even more major than the one between TOS and TMP, but given the latter practically rebuilt the ship from the inside out, I have a hard time with that. After years of consideration, I just accept it as a mistake and overdub Morrow's line as "forty". Most things I at least try to rationalize. Those few I can't I don't waste further time trying.