Things you're tired of seeing in movies

How about people who give full ranks when addressing someone? All 1st and 2nd LTs are just "Lieutenant" and nothing else. All SGTs are just "Sergeant" unless they're the First SGT or the SGT Major.

That's not entirely the case, don't 2nd Lts generally like to refer to themselves as just Lt while 1st Lts will almost always use the 1st so that nobody confuses them for a 2nd Lt? As for Sgts, in the Corps we're taught to always address all Sgts. by their full rank or appropriate nickname like Gunny for Gunnery Sgt. or Top for Master Sgts (and maybe for 1st Sgts too but I'm not absolutely certain on whether it's appropriate to address a 1st Sgt. as Top even if they are the same grade as a Master Sgt.), and Master Guns for Master Gunnery Sgt but Staff Sgts are always addressed as such and the same with Sgts Major. If I'm not mistaken the Navy follows the same or similar practice with Chiefs and address them by their full ranks.
 
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That's entirely the case, don't 2nd Lts generally like to refer to themselves as just Lt while 1st Lts will almost always use the 1st so that nobody confuses them for a 2nd Lt?
Maybe in the Corps they do (I swear they're officers are treated like the British treat theirs, as landed gentry to be held in awe. The Army doesn't roll like that). But I never heard a 1LT use the full rank ever unless in a official capacity like ID purposes and such. Never in normal conversation.
 
In the Army you don't say Lieutenant, you say Eltee unless addressing him formally. "Eltee, do you need a ride" vs "Lieutenant, the platoon is formed".

And the 1st and 2nd are never used when addressing an Eltee. :)


Colonels are the same. You call a Lt. Col a Colonel. Behind his back you call him a light colonel. But you never say Lieutenant Colonel when addressing him.

Generals are simply General, regardless of whether he is a Brigadier General, Major General, etc.
 
I hate it when a film score is released and the track order is completely different than that of the film. Can anyone explain this to me?

Because back in the olden days, soundtracks were released on vinyl LP, which limited their playing time to 45 minutes (~22 minutes per side). Music cues were shuffled or removed to fit. This shouldn't be an issue with soundtracks released on CD or online, but old habits die hard, I guess. (I've bought a few soundtracks from iTunes but haven't really paid attention to the play order.)

Fortunately, publishers are finally starting to release full "extended" or "unlimited" scores that include unused cues, like the Lethal Weapon soundtrack. (Some of the bonus/unused cues are awful!) Retrograde Records sources original masters of soundtrack recordings and remasters and re-releases them with most (if not all) of the music recorded for the movie. The Omega Man is complete, in order, and fantastic. FSM: The Omega Man 2.0 (Ron Grainer)
 
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I'm surprised not to see this one mentioned (although I might have missed it)

Impatient cop, looking at the fuzzy pic on the monitor
turns to the whiz-bang technogeek running Photoshop
backwards..

"Can you clean that up a little? "
"OK, just give me a second..."

[undo Blur More]

Or piano players whose hand movements don't match the music.
For that matter, piano players who seem to be on the verge of orgasm
as they play.
Lip synching .. even if you're very good, they should keep the camera away
from your neck and chest. When the vibrato doesn't match, you lost me.
The letters J and J anywhere near the word "Trek"

And this one applies to TV, but I hate people talking over the credits, split
screens over the credits, credits rolling at high speed (I can read a novel
in a couple of hours, but I can't even make out one name and title at
those speeds) and credits cut off to go to commercial. Those people worked
hard for that one little bit of screen time. Give it to them.
 
Swords and armor in fantasy flicks that would get you killed in a real battle.

Lens flare

The "555" phone number

And of course, cadets getting promoted to ship commander in the course of one movie.
 
The "555" phone number

You wouldn't say that if your number ever got used in a song or movie. My high school had 867-5309 and got somewhere around 100-150 calls a day when the song was popular in 1982 and then whenever Mtv or radio stations stuck it back in the rotation they'd get 25-30 for a few days before people stopped calling. Up until sometime in the 90s the night message said something like "This is ________ high school and Jenny is home studying." They changed it for when school was out and at Christmas time it was Jenny was visiting her grandmother's house or something. The office people probably wanted to strangle every member of Tommy Tutone. Except for the woman who recorded the message every night- she seemed to have fun with it.
 
...Or piano players whose hand movements don't match the music...
The same is true for guitar players. I can tell almost immediately whether or not the actor actually knows how to play one, or if they're just pretending; more often than not it's the latter.
 
In fairness:
- The first time was because Kent had smeared oil on the optics. Yes, they're better now, but high-powered LASER efforts of that era were subject to feedback from dirty lenses
- The second was because it had been sabotaged - the electronic (PROM replacement) and software (coordinate realignment) was done on-screen, but how hard do you think it would be for the two guys who invented the LASER itself to sabotage it in the space of a couple of minutes? Or less? They didn't know the support system, but they designed the LASER...

(I was doing an internship in the high-energy LASER lab at Purdue right after that movie came out, so we discussed it endlessly...)

Before I begin, that internship sounds quite awesome.

But I think I should clarify, that when I say "multiple attempts", I don't just mean Kent's sabotage, I mean the other failed attempts featured in the "Falling" montage (including the one bit where the laser is turned on and then fries itself, and another that showed the laser working, but still far away from being the 5 megawatt laser) and the "Number One" montage (which shows the upward progression of developing the laser, but not close to being the 5 megawatt laser, but a step in the right direction to it).
 
That's entirely the case, don't 2nd Lts generally like to refer to themselves as just Lt while 1st Lts will almost always use the 1st so that nobody confuses them for a 2nd Lt? As for Sgts, in the Corps we're taught to always address all Sgts. by their full rank or appropriate nickname like Gunny for Gunnery Sgt. or Top for Master Sgts (and maybe for 1st Sgts too but I'm not absolutely certain on whether it's appropriate to address a 1st Sgt. as Top even if they are the same grade as a Master Sgt.), and Master Guns for Master Gunnery Sgt but Staff Sgts are always addressed as such and the same with Sgts Major. If I'm not mistaken the Navy follows the same or similar practice with Chiefs and address them by their full ranks.

2LT and 1LT alike are usually referred to (self & others) as "Lieutenant" in my experience. Naval lieutenant junior grade/lieutenant follow a similar pattern, as well as lieutenant commander/commander.

LTCs (lieutenant colonels) usually self-refer as "colonel," and are variously called by subordinate either "colonel" or "sir" (and usually "phone colonel," "short colonel," or "*******" behind their backs...)

"Top" is reserved for the first sergeant, not master sergeants in general.

"Chief" may be used to refer to Navy senior non-coms (chief petty officer, senior chief petty officer, master chief petty officer,) or for Air Force chief master sergeants. Naval chiefs are usually "chief" informally, or "chief," "master chief," or "command master chief" in formal (reporting, in open ranks, &c. I don't know why "senior chief" is often skipped, but I've seen that one go either way.)

Marine staff sergeants are addressed as "Staff Sergeant," while Army and Air Force staff sergeants are usually simply "sergeant." (Kudos on the proper pluralisation of "sergeant major," tho!)

General officers are usually referred to as "General" (Army/Air Force/Marines) or "Admiral" (navy) - which covers pretty much any O7-O10 rate (even O11, if we ever have any again. O11 is a wartime only rank, and there is no O11 billet for the Corps.)

Marine lance corporals have been referred to as "lance," and corporals simply as "corporal."

Other snippets of protocol:

- When a group of junior personnel encounter a superior and both parties are in uniform, the entire junior party is expected to assume attention and march until the superior has passed. If the superior is an officer, the entire party assumes marching order, but only the senior of the junior party is expected to render a salute (this is held until the officer has returned it, the officer has passed, or if the officer dismisses the salute - often before it is rendered, for the good officers.) NB: This generally only applies in rear areas.

- When a superior is passing an individual standing a post, the junior is expected to assume the position of attention until the superior has passed or he is relieved of the position of attention (at which time, the position of parade rest is assumed until the superior is out of view.) A salute is rendered to a commissioned officer. Further, the individual, unless under a specific or general order to the contrary, is expected to maintain/resume the position of attention and execute facing movements necessary to keep the superior in sight until the superior has left, unless the junior has been ordered to attention (which is not to be broken unless ordered to do so.)

(Yes, this means that when the Marine at the foot of the ramp off of Marine One wasn't facing to follow Clinton, or doesn't face to follow Obama, that means the C-in-C is being snubbed - although most civilians won't catch it. My wife noted the difference in behaviour between Bush41 and Clinton, and asked me why. She's learned a lot about military protocol from me...)

As far as proper wear of the uniform? AFR35-10 can be found online easily, as can the relevant Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard regulations (I just don't recall the numbers offhand.) The Order of Precedence for medals and ribbons is standard across the services, and is in so many places as to be not worth specific mention (and yes, ALL services use the SAME order of precedence. Why? "Retreads" - guys who muster out of one service, and later sign up with another. I did USAF Basic with two Marines and a soldier - who wanted to become Airmen instead.) I could probably find current regs for correct wear of any military uniform inside of five minutes - including cold-starting the computer - I'd need maybe an hour to dig up a "period" regulation. So, what's the problem?

(And not just because I'm prior-service, either. I once - just on a whim, after discussion of uniform inaccuracies - tasked my wife with giving me regs for correct wear of the Army Service Dress uniform, United States, 1917. Took her ten minutes.)
 
Swords and armor in fantasy flicks that would get you killed in a real battle.

Lens flare

The "555" phone number

And of course, cadets getting promoted to ship commander in the course of one movie.

Unusual, but I do believe there is some historical precedent for that.

Granted, this was back when the rank of "Third Lieutenant" was still in use. It was a "trial rank" (not merely floated by Heinlein in Starship Troopers) as a chance for a cadet - who essentially has NO military existence, NO authority over serving personnel - to join the line of command - at the very bottom.

However, a third lieutenant (3LT?) damned sure does have military authority, even if it is temporary.

Since a 3LT is now in the chain of command, he can be moved up & down it just as rapidly as anyone else - "Here's to bloody wars and sickly seasons!"

If every officer on a ship above the 3LT gets killed in action, guess what? You now have a capital ship being commanded by a wet-behind-the-ears Frankenstein creation, and you hope he does well (because if you're enlisted, guess what? His orders are just as binding as the dead Captain's would have been!)

This is why cadets and trainees were given a 3LT commission before being put out to 'prentice - because, if they were still cadets when they went afield, they would be subject to discipline for giving an order (because they had no authority to do so,) and the enlisted man who followed the order would have been subject to discipline (because the order was invalid on its face.)

And, this is why I think that minting civilians into officers by dint of having a college degree (not necessarily in anything relevant - even four years in GenEd or LibArts will serve?!?) is a mistake. Service academies should be reserved for prior-service personnel, preference to non-coms, preference to blooded personnel (this means that a combat-experienced private would have one point in his favour, while a combat-experienced buck sergeant would have two points in his favour - one for combat service, one for non-commissioned service.) Making civilians into officers and combat leaders? Only if we're VERY desperate!

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Before I begin, that internship sounds quite awesome.

But I think I should clarify, that when I say "multiple attempts", I don't just mean Kent's sabotage, I mean the other failed attempts featured in the "Falling" montage (including the one bit where the laser is turned on and then fries itself, and another that showed the laser working, but still far away from being the 5 megawatt laser) and the "Number One" montage (which shows the upward progression of developing the laser, but not close to being the 5 megawatt laser, but a step in the right direction to it).

Been a bit, I'll have to watch the movie again. But, if the tickles I'm getting in memory are correct, I know what you mean.

(And yes, it was. I did a number of internships at Purdue while I was in high school - pilot programme they offered. I most enjoyed the LASER tour and the nuclear physics tour. I was the only one in high school who actually knew what Cherenkov glow looked like, from having seen it!)
 
In the Army you don't say Lieutenant, you say Eltee unless addressing him formally. "Eltee, do you need a ride" vs "Lieutenant, the platoon is formed".

And the 1st and 2nd are never used when addressing an Eltee. :)


Colonels are the same. You call a Lt. Col a Colonel. Behind his back you call him a light colonel. But you never say Lieutenant Colonel when addressing him.

Generals are simply General, regardless of whether he is a Brigadier General, Major General, etc.

False. "The Brig" will ALWAYS be "The Brig." ;)

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I'm surprised not to see this one mentioned (although I might have missed it)

Impatient cop, looking at the fuzzy pic on the monitor
turns to the whiz-bang technogeek running Photoshop
backwards..

"Can you clean that up a little? "
"OK, just give me a second..."

[undo Blur More]


Or piano players whose hand movements don't match the music.
For that matter, piano players who seem to be on the verge of orgasm
as they play.


The same is true for guitar players. I can tell almost immediately whether or not the actor actually knows how to play one, or if they're just pretending; more often than not it's the latter.

This. Usually people just solidly grip the neck. It's even worse when they wrap their thumb around far enough to where they'd be muting the strings. On the other hand, I really appreciate it when it's clear that the actor at least knows some basic stuff like open-neck work. I mean, come on, how hard is it to teach them G, C, and D chords?!

Swords and armor in fantasy flicks that would get you killed in a real battle.

I accept this in certain genres, like the laughable sword-and-sandal stuff from the 80s.

In some ways, I actually find it worse when you have two guys in full plate, whacking away at each other with swords, going for the kind of cuts that would only make sense if the other person was wearing cloth, or chainmail at best, like a cross-body cut or trying to lop an arm or leg off, rather than trying to disarm their opponent and attack a joint in the armor.

From what little they've shown of battles between guys in plate, though, Game of Thrones has been pretty good about this. Although most people aren't in full plate anyway in that show.

And of course, cadets getting promoted to ship commander in the course of one movie.

I accept this in a wartime situation when the entire -- small -- command staff is otherwise incapacitated, like in some of the Hornblower stories.
 
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How about EVERYONE in a movie about the Roman Empire speaking with British accents? That must drive Italians nuts!
 
How about EVERYONE in a movie about the Roman Empire speaking with British accents? That must drive Italians nuts!

Honestly, I don't mind this.

It's a damnsight better than having accents that are all over the place. I don't know if you've watched Netflix's series Borgia, but the accents in that show are....confusing.

Pope Alexander VI is played by an American (John Doman, who played one of the chief cops on The Wire)

His daughter Lucrezia and his son Juan have German accents.

His son Cesare has a British accent.

The Italian cardinals all have a range of accents, too, including American, Czech, British, etc.

It's all over the place and it's really kinda jarring.


But at least Alexander VI's Spanish former consort is played by an actual Spaniard.
 
The you know it is coming "Fall" when running from someone/thing... Or the obvious someone is in my house, let me go look around with no weapon and solo...because that makes sense....
 
How about EVERYONE in a movie about the Roman Empire speaking with British accents? That must drive Italians nuts!

They do that because us as Americans have this thing with British accents sounding more classy and dignified and producers/directors have their actors use a British accent because of it. It makes a certain amount sense if you think about it, certainly a lot more sense than speaking with an Italian or some other foreign accent, think of it, they're supposed to be speaking whatever their native language is and not English as a foreign speaker so why would they have an accent then? For example, if you're born and raised in the US to English speaking parents who were also born and raised in the US would you speak English with some sort of foreign accent, of course not, same case here and this is why it bugs me to hear people putting on foreign accents when they supposed to be speaking their native language.
 
They do that because us as Americans have this thing with British accents sounding more classy and dignified and producers/directors have their actors use a British accent because of it. It makes a certain amount sense if you think about it, certainly a lot more sense than speaking with an Italian or some other foreign accent, think of it, they're supposed to be speaking whatever their native language is and not English as a foreign speaker so why would they have an accent then? For example, if you're born and raised in the US to English speaking parents who were also born and raised in the US would you speak English with some sort of foreign accent, of course not, same case here and this is why it bugs me to hear people putting on foreign accents when they supposed to be speaking their native language.

Another argument in favor of getting actors who are actual native speakers, letting them speak in their native tongue, and then using subtitles.


Although I guess with Latin, that'd be kinda difficult, since nobody's a native speaker of that anymore...
 
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