Things you're tired of seeing in movies

[greenmachines]

So, at first, I was going to list this in Venting about inconsequential things but I think it belongs here:

Because, what I never want to ever see again is another movie made during a writer's strike..... it is upon us and I will be avoiding all newly produced cinema and TV just like I should have decades back in the last strike. Here's to hoping it is short lived.

 

[Cephus]

So, at first, I was going to list this in Venting about inconsequential things but I think it belongs here:View attachment 1697845

Because, what I never want to ever see again is another movie made during a writer's strike..... it is upon us and I will be avoiding all newly produced cinema and TV just like I should have decades back in the last strike. Here's to hoping it is short lived.

I don't even want to see the movies they make normally. It's not like any of it is a work of art. Half the time, I don't see how they get paid for what they're making now. It's crap!

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Well as far as Marvel and SW projects, would we even notice that it wasn't "real" writers making the stories? I feel like we could get at least equal or better quality stories asking random kids what they would act out with their action figures.

 

[blewis17]

My brother has degrees in sound engineering and computer animation, and currently teaches in Video Game design. He has been saying that AI such as ChatGPT is progressing at such a fast rate that we will soon be seeing large scale productions, animation, and effects done by just a handful of people.

Can AI such as ChatGPT "write" a script?

 

[Riceball]

Can Ai such as ChatGPT "write" a script?

Right now, yes and no. It could write a script if you give it plot points or at least a basic premise, but I doubt that it would be very coherent. But it would probably serve as a good starting point.

Some years ago the cast of Stargate SG-1 did a table read of a script written by AI. Although I never saw the video myself, it was supposedly pretty hilarious because of how bad or ridiculous the script was.

 

[batguy]

AI replacing script writers is only a matter of time.

It won't replace them 100%. (Somebody still has to sit there at a computer for hours and use the AI to produce the script. The studio heads & producers won't do that themselves.) But AI will cut heavily into the writing profession. A smaller number of writers will be cranking out more content using AI. Probably for the same or less money than they do now.

"AI scripts are terrible" but it costs nothing to have the AI tweak and re-try a scene or a storyline over and over again until it's acceptable.



Have a monkey bang random keys on a typewriter for 120 pages. It probably won't produce anything good.

But AI gives you an unlimited number of monkeys doing that. On a long enough timeline you'll get Shakespeare.

 

[Cephus]

My brother has degrees in sound engineering and computer animation, and currently teaches in Video Game design. He has been saying that AI such as ChatGPT is progressing at such a fast rate that we will soon be seeing large scale productions, animation, and effects done by just a handful of people.

Can Ai such as ChatGPT "write" a script?

Yes... sort of. I mean, it can do the job but it probably won't be all that good because it doesn't understand nuance. That will change. Pretty soon, most Hollywood writers will be out of a job. I don't think that's a bad thing, considering their current level of output. That's why they are insisting that there be no AI in Hollywood.

You can't stop progress. It just means that the current Hollywood system will go the way of the dodo. That is indeed a good thing.

 

[joberg]

Right now, yes and no. It could write a script if you give it plot points or at least a basic premise, but I doubt that it would be very coherent. But it would probably serve as a good starting point.

Some years ago the cast of Stargate SG-1 did a table read of a script written by AI. Although I never saw the video myself, it was supposedly pretty hilarious because of how bad or ridiculous the script was.

The operative words: "Some years ago"...AI is improving all the time and it's a matter of a few years only that we, as a society, will feel the paradigm shift that it will bring for better...or for worse: job losses by the bushels. We're talking about normal computing design/concept here; wait when the first Quantum Computer will be operational

 

[Riceball]

I think that even when AI improves to the point where an AI created script becomes a practical reality it would likely require a change in the laws before studios start using AI scripts. The reason for this is that, currently, AI imagery is not copyrightable, and if AI imagery isn't copyrightable, chances are that all works of art created by AI are not copyrightable. This means that if some studio creates a hit movie using an AI written script and they can't copyright it, then every other studio can copy that script verbatim and make its own version of that movie and the original studio can't do anything about it because they don't have any copyright protection on their script.

 

[Lightning]

I think that even when AI improves to the point where an AI created script becomes a practical reality it would likely require a change in the laws before studios start using AI scripts. The reason for this is that, currently, AI imagery is not copyrightable, and if AI imagery isn't copyrightable, chances are that all works of art created by AI are not copyrightable. This means that if some studio creates a hit movie using an AI written script and they can't copyright it, then every other studio can copy that script verbatim and make its own version of that movie and the original studio can't do anything about it because they don't have any copyright protection on their script.

There will need to be a court case or formal policy to sort it out, but it seems to me that once a person takes the raw AI output and massages it into a finished product it should be copyrightable by that person. The US copyright office agrees, but there is not yet a standard on how much modification is needed before it qualifies as human created.

Of course there's not much stopping someone from just not telling anyone that they used AI to help, then they can copyright without pushback.

 

[Riceball]

There will need to be a court case or formal policy to sort it out, but it seems to me that once a person takes the raw AI output and massages it into a finished product it should be copyrightable by that person. The US copyright office agrees, but there is not yet a standard on how much modification is needed before it qualifies as human created.

Of course there's not much stopping someone from just not telling anyone that they used AI to help, then they can copyright without pushback.

That's true, but I was talking more about a script that's written 100% by AI and not used as a starting or jumping off point for a human writer.

 

[Cephus]

That's true, but I was talking more about a script that's written 100% by AI and not used as a starting or jumping off point for a human writer.

Honestly, how would anyone know? At the moment, there are kids having AI write their papers and the professor can run it through Google to see if an AI wrote it. So now, they are having one AI write it, another AI edit it and there's no way to tell.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I think AI is one of the sticking points for the writers. From what I've heard, the writers want a guarantee they will get partial credit if an AI polishes up something they wrote. The other side wants to keep looking at the issue every 6 months or something as AI progresses.

 

[pengbuzz]

Yes... sort of. I mean, it can do the job but it probably won't be all that good because it doesn't understand nuance. That will change. Pretty soon, most Hollywood writers will be out of a job. I don't think that's a bad thing, considering their current level of output. That's why they are insisting that there be no AI in Hollywood.

You can't stop progress. It just means that the current Hollywood system will go the way of the dodo. That is indeed a good thing.

Just makes we wonder where AI won't be involved. Between that and automation, where will people even begin to fit in?

 

[joberg]

Just makes we wonder where AI won't be involved. Between that and automation, where will people even begin to fit in?

So far, you still have a human behind it to make it "real"...that being said; it's not going to take much to feel real...sooner rather than later.
Paradigm shift my friends, paradigm shift. A separate discussion/thread

 

[pengbuzz]

So far, you still have a human behind it to make it "real"...that being said; it's not going to take much to feel real...sooner rather than later.
Paradigm shift my friends, paradigm shift. A separate discussion/thread

Yeah, but for now it still needs a human. I suspect that won't remain the case for long...

 

[Lightning]

I say 5-10 years before you can give an AI a detailed prompt and it will write the script and render the matching video, without the AI-ness being overly distracting. Not necessarily good, but not distractingly bad.

 

[Cephus]

I say 5-10 years before you can give an AI a detailed prompt and it will write the script and render the matching video, without the AI-ness being overly distracting. Not necessarily good, but not distractingly bad.

I doubt it will be that long. If you look at what AI art looked like a year ago and what it looks like today, it's night and day. 3 years tops.

 

[pengbuzz]

I doubt it will be that long. If you look at what AI art looked like a year ago and what it looks like today, it's night and day. 3 years tops.

That's the thign about computers and artifical intelligence: it's exponential. The faster and further it goes, the much faster and further it will increase.

 

[batguy]

The broader problems that AI brings our society will make Hollywood entertainment look like a minor issue.