The Walking Dead Season 5 Discussion (Spoilers)

[JD]

It is in fact too strong. And I wasn't doing victim blaming. If you bothered to read my posts, you'd see that they are about spoilers, which is an equal responsible thing, especially in this day and age with Facebook, not a one sided crime like rape. You should have known better.

Nonsense. I read your posts, you ignored much of what I was talking about and made it out like those of us that AMC spoiled needed to share the blame simply because we went on Facebook. Much of your posts read like "how dare you go on Facebook if you don't want to know what happens. Blame yourself and accept responsibility for going on Facebook because AMC might post a spoiler."

I have no problem at all with the comparisons here - hitting a pedestrian or rapist. You wanted to play the "blame" game....

 

[CB2001]

It did seem random... almost like, "well, we gotta kill someone to keep the fans happy...."

I also don't understand why Rick and the gang went into the hospital and they didn't meet somewhere else.

I agree, the death was random. Even with the lead-up to it.

I agree that Rick and company should have done a better job in a meeting spot. Could it be that he thought that by meeting at their place, there'd be least likely conflict because they are in a place of familiarity, and not out in the open where Walkers could come up and attack them in a rather intense moment?

Nonsense. I read your posts, you ignored much of what I was talking about and made it out like those of us that AMC spoiled needed to share the blame simply because we went on Facebook. Much of your posts read like "how dare you go on Facebook if you don't want to know what happens. Blame yourself and accept responsibility for going on Facebook because AMC might post a spoiler."

I have no problem at all with the comparisons here - hitting a pedestrian or rapist. You wanted to play the "blame" game....

And you are putting words in my mouth. There are thousands of WD fans who have admitted that they avoid going on Facebook during the airing of all episodes. They know not to go on Facebook where there are likely spoilers for the episode. They take responsibility for being spoiled or not spoiled. They don't blame where the source of the spoiler comes from. All I'm saying is that AMC is at fault for spoiling, just as much as those who chose to go on Facebook at the time of the episode was airing on the East Coast are at fault for their spoiling. You didn't have to go on Facebook at that time. You chose to. There is a drastic difference between having someone be blamed and telling someone to take responsibility for their side of the action. I am saying AMC is NOT SOLELY to blame. AMC and those who chose to go on Facebook during the airing of the episode are EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE. Not one side is. There is no blame game here, only a call out for both parties to accept their sides of the responsibility. AMC has accepted their side of it. Those who chose to go on Facebook at that time should too.

And using rape as a comparison is wrong, in any context. I'll admit, I have a problem with people using rape, in any context, to try to prove their point. That is drastically different than the pedestrian/driver scenario, or even in an equally responsible scenario like the Facebook spoiler. Rape is not funny. It's not anything like what I was talking about by any comparison. Rape is the most horrible thing imaginable, and the fact you use it in this discussion in an attempt to win is wrong.

 

[Paul Andrew]

I try not to get too much into the logic of why the characters do the things they do, that way lies madness and a mountain of 'what-if's. I just question the writers on this one. Beth taking a bullet to the head in that situation felt very contrived to me.

 

[CB2001]

I try not to get too much into the logic of why the characters do the things they do, that way lies madness and a mountain of 'what-if's. I just question the writers on this one. Beth taking a bullet to the head in that situation felt very contrived to me.

True. If there was a reason behind why Beth had to die, it sure didn't show in this episode.

 

[joshvanrad]

The only sad or shocking thing from Sunday night was when Emily Kinney was crying on Talking Dead about losing her job. I feel bad she got such a BS send off.

 

[CB2001]

The only sad or shocking thing from Sunday night was when Emily Kinney was crying on Talking Dead about losing her job. I feel bad she got such a BS send off.

I agree. My Dad told me the same thing. I had to tell him that when it comes to filmed productions, be it a movie or a TV show, the cast and crew basically become family. I feel sorry too that he character was killed off so needlessly, and I do hope at least the show has opened a few doors for other projects for her. She's a pretty good actress.

 

[cayman shen]

Maybe for the season finale they should kill off a writer.

 

[CB2001]

Maybe for the season finale they should kill off a writer.

Believe it or not, I had to check to see if it was Robert Kirkman or not who written this episode. Glad its not.

 

[joshvanrad]

Maybe for the season finale they should kill off a writer.

I actually lol'd at this.

 

[cayman shen]

I actually lol'd at this.

I aim to please

 

[ghostryder]

But you know that there's going to be spoilers on Facebook, no matter where the spoilers is going to be coming from, be it from your family or friends, or from an official source. That's why you don't go onto it when it comes to watching the episode, because there's the high chance of spoilers. Again, the responsibility is not just the source of the spoiler, but those who knowingly go to where there are going to be spoilers. It's like this thread. You know there's going to be spoilers, and by clicking on the thread link to come into it, you are thereby accepting your share of the risk of being spoiled. The same is true with Facebook at the airing of "The Walking Dead", or any other TV show for that matter.

I get what you're saying, BUT, by this logic I should share blame if I go on to Facebook and one my friends and/or the official site tells me who dies in the next Star Wars movie? Not sure I agree, not only did mainstream media report it as a big no-no, but AMC saw fit to apologize for it. I didn't see AMC saying it was partially their fan's fault.

 

[.:MirrorminD:.]

Spoiler

You chose to click on this. If there was a spoiler in here, and you knew there was a spoiler here, you thereby knowingly chose to spoil yourself. Just as much as I knowingly put this here.

Personally I like spoilers, it doesn't take anything away for me. With that being said, I feel kinda gypped that there wasn't any kind of spoiler in your spoiler tag

 

[CB2001]

I get what you're saying, BUT, by this logic I should share blame if I go on to Facebook and one my friends and/or the official site tells me who dies in the next Star Wars movie? Not sure I agree, not only did mainstream media report it as a big no-no, but AMC saw fit to apologize for it. I didn't see say AMC saying it was partially their fan's fault.

Of course AMC doesn't say the fans are partly to blame, because they don't want to drive them away. Appeasing them by taking the full blame is a business move. But a majority of the fans who know not to go on Facebook during the airing of the episode are clearly pointing out this issue to those who chose to go onto Facebook at that time. AMC made its mistake, those who went on Facebook at that time made theirs too. Not one side is fully responsible. AMC took its responsibility for its side of the issue. Yet, not one of those who knowing went on Facebook are still blaming AMC for them going on Facebook when its been known to have spoilers, especially during an episode.

 

[ghostryder]

AMC made its mistake, those who went on Facebook at that time made theirs too.

Do I expect spoilers on Facebook? Absolutely.

Do I expect them from my friends and the official site? Nope.

 

[CB2001]

Do I expect spoilers on Facebook? Absolutely.

Do I expect them from my friends and the official site? Nope.

Yet, friends and family can, and sometimes do, post spoilers. I've seen many people grip about having shows and movies get spoiled by friends and family via Facebook. Just because you don't expect them doesn't mean they never turn up. Spoilers, no matter where they're from, are still spoilers. And if they're posted to Facebook, no matter who by, as they have been in the past, wouldn't logic deduce its best to avoid Facebook at the time of the episode airing on the East Coast, and you're on the West Coast or another part of the world?

 

[MooCriket]

About the only thing I enjoyed from this episode was seeing Rick continue to tip toe on edge of crazy.

 

[ghostryder]

Yet, friends and family can, and sometimes do, post spoilers.

But mine don't. So no, I don't expect them. And I certainly don't expect them from the official site.

 

[CB2001]

But mine don't. So no, I don't expect them. And I certainly don't expect them from the official site.

Again, just because you don't expect spoilers, doesn't mean that there won't be spoilers, ever. Especially if you're watching a show like "The Walking Dead" and on a social website like Facebook.

 

[cayman shen]

I'm befuddled by the blame-the-victim mentality in some of these posts. AMC was wrong. They admitted it. The FB thing was a screw-up, and they said so. You can also wear a short skirt and expect not to be raped now, I hear.

 

[CB2001]

I'm befuddled by the blame-the-victim mentality in some of these posts. AMC was wrong. They admitted it. The FB thing was a screw-up, and they said so. You can also wear a short skirt and expect not to be raped now, I hear.

I wasn't blaming the victim. I was saying that the responsibility is EQUAL, and that's the mentality that I've been conveying the whole time. There is not one side, but two that are responsible for their spoiling. It's AMC's responsibility for posting the image as much as it is the responsibility for those who chose to go on Facebook at that time, knowing that there was a chance for spoilers. Am I not saying something right?