The Walking Dead Season 5 Discussion (Spoilers)

[ghostryder]

I was saying that the responsibility is EQUAL.

You do know that's an opinion, right?

 

[Kevin Gossett]

By saying both parties are at fault, you're blaming the victim.

 

[JD]

I tried to take this to PM, but for a couple reasons (including that the topic is continuing...

I understand your point that people should expect to be spoiled - I don't have an issue with that. My issue is and has been that AMC opted to post this huge spoiler in a pretty unavoidable way.

I take issue with the whole "blame game" that you seem to be playing. That we need to blame ourselves and accept responsibility because of someone else's actions (as we go about our normal lives)... I find that ridiculous. ...and that's how we get to comparing it to extremes like rape and pedestrian vs. car crashes. As I've said (repeatedly) this isn't about some random friend posting a spoiler - this about AMC posting it - way outside the normal way they do things.

And you are putting words in my mouth. There are thousands of WD fans who have admitted that they avoid going on Facebook during the airing of the episode. They know not to go on Facebook where there are likely spoilers for the episode. They take responsibility for being spoiled or not spoiled. They don't blame where the source of the spoiler comes from.

No - I am not putting words in your mouth. I read post after post after post of you repeating this... and even here I feel you're saying the same thing: "how dare you go on Facebook if you don't want to know what happens. Blame yourself and accept responsibility for going on Facebook because AMC might post a spoiler." I stand by that.


Again, as I think I've repeated time and time again and we've shown example of similar things... it's not about being spoiled, it's about AMC posting what they did. Just because I go on Facebook doesn't mean AMC should put that out there like they did, just like wearing a skirt doesn't excuse someone from raping someone.

And using rape as a comparison is wrong, in any context. I'll admit, I have a problem with people using rape, in any context, to try to prove their point. That is drastically different than the pedestrian/driver scenario, or even in an equally responsible scenario like the Facebook spoiler. Rape is not funny. It's not anything like what I was talking about by any comparison. Rape is the most horrible thing imaginable, and the fact you use it in this discussion is wrong.

You can not like me using this example - and yes, it is a strong example; but, that helps make the point. It isn't funny and it is horrible. But, it is pretty much exactly like the pedestrian/car crash or Facebook blame game you're using here... you shouldn't shift the blame to where it doesn't belong - because that's exactly what you're doing here.


I realize by surfing the net I may get spoiled - that's not my issue. The issue is that AMC opted to do it, in the manner they did. You can't blame me or the (tens or hundreds of ) thousands that didn't expect AMC to post their spoiler... we were doing things normally in a manner that didn't provoke it and avoiding spoilers in a way that we might normally do. Just as that pedestrian might or that girl might...

 

[ghostryder]

I tried to take this to PM, but for a couple reasons (including that the topic is continuing...

I understand your point that people should expect to be spoiled - I don't have an issue with that. My issue is and has been that AMC opted to post this huge spoiler in a pretty unavoidable way.

I take issue with the whole "blame game" that you seem to be playing. That we need to blame ourselves and accept responsibility because of someone else's actions (as we go about our normal lives)... I find that ridiculous. ...and that's how we get to comparing it to extremes like rape and pedestrian vs. car crashes. As I've said (repeatedly) this isn't about some random friend posting a spoiler - this about AMC posting it - way outside the normal way they do things.



No - I am not putting words in your mouth. I read post after post after post of you repeating this... and even here I feel you're saying the same thing: "how dare you go on Facebook if you don't want to know what happens. Blame yourself and accept responsibility for going on Facebook because AMC might post a spoiler." I stand by that.


Again, as I think I've repeated time and time again and we've shown example of similar things... it's not about being spoiled, it's about AMC posting what they did. Just because I go on Facebook doesn't mean AMC should put that out there like they did, just like wearing a skirt doesn't excuse someone from raping someone.



You can not like me using this example - and yes, it is a strong example; but, that helps make the point. It isn't funny and it is horrible. But, it is pretty much exactly like the pedestrian/car crash or Facebook blame game you're using here... you shouldn't shift the blame to where it doesn't belong - because that's exactly what you're doing here.


I realize by surfing the net I may get spoiled - that's not my issue. The issue is that AMC opted to do it, in the manner they did. You can't blame me or the (tens or hundreds of ) thousands that didn't expect AMC to post their spoiler... we were doing things normally in a manner that didn't provoke it and avoiding spoilers in a way that we might normally do. Just as that pedestrian might or that girl might...

 

[CB2001]

You do know that's an opinion, right?

By saying both parties are at fault, you're blaming the victim.

BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME, NOT ONE SIDE! How is that an opinion when many others have noticed this as well? How is it saying the victim is to blame, when in fact it's only a PART of it?

You know what, I'm done. I'm tiring of trying to point out how parties are equally responsible, only to have it thrown into a "he's playing blame the victim game." You think AMC is fully responsible, fine. But guess what, that is also an opinion too. And I am not the only one who has noticed that it's a two sided issue.

 

[joshvanrad]

This thread is getting really silly. Teehee.

 

[Kevin Gossett]

Here's a crazy idea. Let's get back to the discussion of the show.

 

[JD]

I wasn't blaming the victim. I was saying that the responsibility is EQUAL, and that's the mentality that I've been conveying the whole time.

That is blaming the victim.

 

[CB2001]

That is blaming the victim.

No, it's not. Both parties being responsible for an action is called comparative negligence. BOTH parties have a percentage of responsibility for what happened.

Now, I'm done with the freakin' arguing, especially with you JD when I told you in PM to leave me alone and proceeded to instead of leaving me alone, coming into this post an bothering me more. So, how about we quit this and get back to talking about the episode, please?

Here's a crazy idea. Let's get back to the discussion of the show.

I agree.

About the only thing I enjoyed from this episode was seeing Rick continue to tip toe on edge of crazy.

I agree. To be honest, I was expecting him to just wait for the guy to tire out. But nope...

 

[JD]

No, it's not. Both parties being responsible for an action is called comparative negligence. BOTH parties are responsible for what happened.

As soon as you assign blame to a victim, you're blaming the victim...it's pretty simple. ...just like we don't blame the girl in 'that dress' if she gets raped, or the pedestrian stuck by car zipping down the sidewalk.

While I'm no attorney, comparative or contributory negligence would be moot in any of these cases - as AMC doesn't normally post spoilers (so there's reason to suspect they would); a woman is not to blame for her garb and if a pedestrian takes all normal precautions before crossing the street.

Now, I'm done with the freakin' arguing, especially with you JD when I told you in PM to leave me alone. So, how about we quit this and get back to talking about the episode, please?.

I'm just following the thread and replying to comments that are here. I attempted to be take this to PM (and avoid continuing to derail this thread - but, the discussion continued here regardless and you indicated you didn't read my PM).

Oh, There's an ignore button, that way you don't have to worry about me.

 

[JD]

I found Rick shooting Bob in the beginning of the episode to be a bit uncharacteristic... was I the only one? I realize we're most likely seeing him go off the deep end, but still didn't sit right with me.

 

[joshvanrad]

I found Rick shooting Bob in the beginning of the episode to be a bit uncharacteristic... was I the only one? I realize we're most likely seeing him go off the deep end, but still didn't sit right with me.

I thought it fit. He's been losing trust for a while, and I think the group has been crossed enough times at this point that he realizes he doesn't have much room for error. There are no more second chances left with Rick Grimes. I actually thought he was going to leave him to be eaten by walkers though. I knew Bob was done though as soon as he hit him with the car.

 

[Kevin Gossett]

I saw the act of Rick shooting Bob as a form of compassion. He could have left him there for the walkers to eat him alive, or for him to turn once he passed. Instead, he put him out of his misery. Hitting with the car, on the other hand...

 

[JD]

I didn't expect the car hit to result in as serious an injury as it did... so yes, I can see your point that the shooting was compassionate and not as cold blooded as I first thought.

 

[joshvanrad]

I see a lot of people comparing Rick to Shane now. I still don't see that comparison. Rick continues to give people a chance, like he'd told Bob to stop, and I'm sure if he had things would have turned out much differently for him. Whereas, Shane shot that one dude in the leg to save himself. He never gave people any form of chance. He was just all about himself. Rick not only gives outsiders a fighting chance, but he fights for others. I don't see how you can compare the two of them.

Am I wrong?

 

[dbalschi]

@CB2001

AMC has never posted a spoiler before until the next day so nobody expected them to do so the other night. If they never have before how should we have known they would?


On another note I thought Beths death really showed her character. She could have gone free but she chose not to let them take Noah back who she barely knew.

 

[JD]

The potential is there for Rick to become Shane - I think Carl and Judith... and Darryl and Carol and the rest will help ground him.

I know there's been some speculation about Andrew Lincoln going beardless recently... I wonder if at some point Rick loses the beard as some sort of symbol that's he's come back from the "deep end."

 

[CB2001]

@CB2001

AMC has never posted a spoiler before until the next day so nobody expected them to do so the other night. If they never have before how should we have known they would?

As much as I would like to answer your question, I can't. That answer was repeated many times in past posts if you are really interested in getting an answer.

 

[dbalschi]

I also keep wondering why the focus on Morgan? He found the map with Ricks name so common sense says he would follow it towards DC.

 

[JD]

I also keep wondering why the focus on Morgan? He found the map with Ricks name so common sense says he would follow it towards DC.

They've got to set up the spin off series.