The Walking Dead Season 4

[Sir Angus]

Now that they have pigs in the prison I'd hope they get smart and take the skins to make leather armor from, I'm not sure how pig leather compares to cow but it's better than nothing and should be enough to stop the bite of a walker, especially if they reinforce it with a bit of metal of thick plastic, I don't care how unfeeling a walker might be and immune to pain, human teeth just aren't that sharp and humans just don't have all that much bite force, esp. when compared to other animals.

Assume someone in the prison had a rudimentary understanding of how to skin and tan hides (i.e. Hershel, Daryl, etc.), the tanning process makes leather much stronger than flesh. A quote from Thulsa Doom (Conan the Barbarian) comes to mind, "Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger!" :lol Anyhow, there's different ways to increase the strength of leather ... Make it thicker, boil it, and boil it in wax (cuir bouilli) ... I've built a medieval armor suit using cuir bouilli leather and its difficult to work but well worth the effort. Steel blades hardly scuff it, so undead teeth would be no match.

You guys keep missing the whole, it's not the zombies that are infecting them, they already have the virus idea. Their death is the activation of the virus, which causes the reanimation. Not a bite from a walker.

We discussed this a few seasons ago, it's not the actual bite nor the transmission of some "zombie virus". The best reasoning for why a zombie bite kills quickly is because the zombie mouth is a petri dish for all sorts of bacteria much like the Komodo dragon, "Auffenberg described the Komodo dragon as having septic pathogens in its saliva (he described the saliva as "reddish and copious"), specifically the bacteria E. coli, Staphylococcus sp., Providencia sp., Proteus morgani, and P. mirabilis." (Komodo dragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

[Riceball]

As everybody has said, the bite itself doesn't transmit the virus/disease, you're already infected, but the bite can be lethal if left untreated and, so far, the only treatment for a walker bite is to amputation. Of course, if you're bitten somewhere that you can't amputate like the head, neck, torso, then you're pretty much SOL. This seems to suggest that a walker's bite transmits some sort of blood born infection which makes me wonder if you could treat a walker bite with anti-biotics or if you could also treat a walker bite by cauterizing the wound, but there does seem to be time factor involved with the infection and in the scene where Rick performs his field amputation of Herschel's leg seems to suggest that the infection sets pretty quickly thereby making it critical to treat the wound immediately.

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Assume someone in the prison had a rudimentary understanding of how to skin and tan hides (i.e. Hershel, Daryl, etc.), the tanning process makes leather much stronger than flesh. A quote from Thulsa Doom (Conan the Barbarian) comes to mind, "Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger!" :lol Anyhow, there's different ways to increase the strength of leather ... Make it thicker, boil it, and boil it in wax (cuir bouilli) ... I've built a medieval armor suit using cuir bouilli leather and its difficult to work but well worth the effort. Steel blades hardly scuff it, so undead teeth would be no match.

I'm sure that it wouldn't take all that much to make a simple set of vambraces & greaves, which is the minimum I'd want when dealing with walkers. With at least that much I wouldn't have to worry much if they got a hold of my shins or forearms and would buy me more time to shake off/shoot/stab the clinging walker.

 

[robstyle]

Im more or less curious who was kissing the pig cause it seemed everyone was doing some kissing then getting killed or in immediate danger within ten minutes after said kiss. Id rather not assume the obvious and call pig *ucker on the new closet alcoholic black dude. We all know there is only room for one black dude in TWD'verse.

 

[YenChih Lin]

That's one thing that bugged me since the start of TWD, that's only sloppy point I really really have to critizise. And since TWD and BB are sharing the same universe, I am appalled about the science in TWD, though minus the zombies. If in season 1 it's said they're all infected, why would it be the pig? There are cross species diseases, it works only one way, from animal to human or human to animal, not both ways.

So is this new virus/sickness that killed the pig and the kid in the comic books? Or is this something new? I'm guessing the kid contaminated the water supply now...?

 

[Sir Angus]

I'm sure that it wouldn't take all that much to make a simple set of vambraces & greaves, which is the minimum I'd want when dealing with walkers. With at least that much I wouldn't have to worry much if they got a hold of my shins or forearms and would buy me more time to shake off/shoot/stab the clinging walker.

Although hot to wear in the Georgia heat, something as simple as a leather motorcycle jacket should be all the protection for the upper torso needed. I still argue that normal denim is also sufficient, but leather pants, chaps, or anything made or Cordura (or similar ballistic fabric) will protect the legs.

No specialized armor needed.

 

[rodneyfaile]

... since TWD and BB are sharing the same universe .....

What the what?!

 

[red4]

TWD and BB are sharing the same universe

Ah, so we're making things up now.

 

[jlee562]

I don't get it.:confused

It's a wrestling reference.

 

[darthgordon]

I would guess that the deadly fever the pig and kid contracted aren't related to the walker infection. For all intents and purposes these people now live in third world community. They don't have most of the modern conveniences we do. Not to mention the fact that they are surrounded by rotting corpses (walking and not, human and animal). Imagine being surrounded by piles of rotting animal carcasses. It took less squalor to create a situation where the Black Plague killed millions. Of course they already have the walker infection... So this new disease can put them down and the walker infection gets em up again.

 

[red4]

I'm just waiting for Gozer to make an appearance.

 

[Kerr Avon]

That's one thing that bugged me since the start of TWD, that's only sloppy point I really really have to critizise. And since TWD and BB are sharing the same universe, I am appalled about the science in TWD, though minus the zombies. If in season 1 it's said they're all infected, why would it be the pig? There are cross species diseases, it works only one way, from animal to human or human to animal, not both ways.

I'm afraid you misconstrue an inside joke and an actual tie between the shows. The blue crystal meth was a joke, not intended to say they were the same worlds. Mind telling me when walkers showed up in "Breaking Bad?"

 

[red4]

When was there blue crystal meth on TWD?

Mind telling me when walkers showed up in "Breaking Bad?"

Walter had terminal cancer, so in a way, he was a walking dead man.

 

[YenChih Lin]

I'm talking about Merle Dixon's drug stash in "Bloodletting" S02E02 with the blue sky meth, Darly was getting painkillers for T-Dog from the motocycle from Merle:

Ah, so we're making things up now.

What the what?!

Ok, I thought they are sharing the same universe…

I'm afraid you misconstrue an inside joke and an actual tie between the shows. The blue crystal meth was a joke, not intended to say they were the same worlds. Mind telling me when walkers showed up in "Breaking Bad?"

Although it'll be pretty neat, if it was so:
[video]http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6921246/breaking-bad-walking-dead-mash-up[/video]

 

[CB2001]

Although it'll be pretty neat, if it was so:
Breaking Bad / Walking Dead Mash-Up - CollegeHumor Video

Not sure if you've seen this one yet, but it's funny. Watch for the "guest cameo" (though it doesn't actually feature the actor, it's still pretty funny): The Walking Dead Christmas Special - YouTube

 

[jmgrice]

The bites may not be the direct cause. Yes everyones infected already. But the fever or whatever they get is due to the bite. I would guess its to do with blood contamination. As ive yet to see them sucessfully treat a bite with anti biotics I doubt its just a regular infection. I know theyve mentioned it in the show but have we seen a scratch from a walker yet thats either caused or not caused the fast turn? Dont remember it actually happening but think Rick mentioned looking for deep scratches as a sign in one episode which would lead me to believe its not saliva based and more general bacteria getting to the blood stream and causing the fever that finishes them off.

J

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[mistymills]

Didn't they mention all that at the CDC?

There WAS a lot of imagery of water, though it could have just been cool looking shots.

 

[Sir Angus]

Didn't they mention all that at the CDC?

There WAS a lot of imagery of water, though it could have just been cool looking shots.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that was just to show how well they're doing since end of S3, or its a pre-cursor ... Maybe the next episode will show us more instead of going off into a random direction like many in S3 did.

 

[Kerr Avon]

The bites may not be the direct cause. Yes everyones infected already. But the fever or whatever they get is due to the bite. I would guess its to do with blood contamination. As ive yet to see them sucessfully treat a bite with anti biotics I doubt its just a regular infection. I know theyve mentioned it in the show but have we seen a scratch from a walker yet thats either caused or not caused the fast turn? Dont remember it actually happening but think Rick mentioned looking for deep scratches as a sign in one episode which would lead me to believe its not saliva based and more general bacteria getting to the blood stream and causing the fever that finishes them off.

Stop worrying so much about the details. If you get bit, amputate, if you can't, you die and reanimate. That's all you really need to know.

 

[Shendorion]

That's one thing that bugged me since the start of TWD, that's only sloppy point I really really have to critizise. And since TWD and BB are sharing the same universe, I am appalled about the science in TWD, though minus the zombies. If in season 1 it's said they're all infected, why would it be the pig? There are cross species diseases, it works only one way, from animal to human or human to animal, not both ways.

The pigs don't necessarily have the Z virus; they've likely got whatever hemorrhagic fever killed the kid with the glasses. He died from one illness (that caused him to weep blood from his eyes and nose,) and then turned because he also carried the Z virus.

I think they're deliberately keeping the source of the new illness hard to pin down. They cut twice to a shot of a relatively fresh walker on the fence who seemed to have wept blood from his eyes and nose before he died, so gigging walkers on the fence might be the source. Pigs are biologically similar to humans and can share some viral infections, so the pigs could be the source. They also featured water in a few scenes, so it could be that as well.

My money's on the pigs. I'm guessing Spectacles fancied the pig as a pet and spent time with it, and caught whatever she had while she was contagious, but before she presented symptoms.

 

[jmgrice]

Stop worrying so much about the details. If you get bit, amputate, if you can't, you die and reanimate. That's all you really need to know.

..... sorry for using a forum for discussion in my interests...:sly: lol

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