kristen jones
Master Member
Totally agree! I was on the edge of my seat this whole episode, and can't wait to see how it concludes.
This show is getting better and better
"The Orville". A Seth McFarlane Space Adventure on Fox
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Totally agree! I was on the edge of my seat this whole episode, and can't wait to see how it concludes.
This show is getting better and better
JiminSTLouis
Sr Member
Best episode of the series! Who thinks Isaac is going to end up being the hero?
My only (minor) nit pick is the CGI Orville when they were walking off the ship.
Can’t wait for the conclusion.
My only (minor) nit pick is the CGI Orville when they were walking off the ship.
Can’t wait for the conclusion.
They have made it very clear in past episodes that not everything has a happy ending. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ended not so well
Cephus
Master Member
Of course they will come back. I'd just rather it felt like it was leading somewhere, other than "here's what came up on the "idea of the week" spin". We know there will be another Bortus-centered episode. I'd just like to feel like they're setting up something meaningful in the future, as others have suggested, why the hell are we allied with the Maclans again? We know there will probably be another Yaphit episode sometime. Why? What does it mean? We know there will be more Isaac episodes. Is it going anywhere? Especially with the Krill, they've set up this potential conflict in the background, is it going to be any more than set dressing or is it going to ever directly impact the direction of the show? It doesn't mean you have to have a giant war like on Deep Space 9 or Babylon 5, but anything would be appreciated.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
Holy crap.
Guys...I’m terrible about spoilers...so when I didn’t have time to watch last night I still read all the posts here, and read a plot synopsis of the episode.
Even knowing what was going to happen...this episode completely floored me. I knew what was going to occur, and it still felt like a gut punch.
I think it’s a major accomplishment by Seth and his team of writers that they actually made me, as a viewer, feel like I had been betrayed by Isaac.
I’ve said it in this thread that Isaac is (was?) my favorite character...so to find out all along that he was gathering intel to use in basically plotting the extinction of the human race? Man...I don’t know, it sounds weird...but that hurts!!!
I feel like I need to take a week off of work just so I can do absolutely nothing until next Thursday night.
Just...wow.
Guys...I’m terrible about spoilers...so when I didn’t have time to watch last night I still read all the posts here, and read a plot synopsis of the episode.
Even knowing what was going to happen...this episode completely floored me. I knew what was going to occur, and it still felt like a gut punch.
I think it’s a major accomplishment by Seth and his team of writers that they actually made me, as a viewer, feel like I had been betrayed by Isaac.
I’ve said it in this thread that Isaac is (was?) my favorite character...so to find out all along that he was gathering intel to use in basically plotting the extinction of the human race? Man...I don’t know, it sounds weird...but that hurts!!!
I feel like I need to take a week off of work just so I can do absolutely nothing until next Thursday night.
Just...wow.
My wife actually reminded me that Issac has been around organics for THOUSANDS of years thanks to that Season 1 time dilation episode. And they have established that even he acknowledged that his programming has been altered by his relationship with the Doctor.
She's now convinced that Issac is playing the long game with his own people and will redeem himself by the end of the 2nd part.
And I'm convinced this show likes to throw curveballs, so who the heck knows what is gonna happen.
All I know is that I can't wait to find out.
She's now convinced that Issac is playing the long game with his own people and will redeem himself by the end of the 2nd part.
And I'm convinced this show likes to throw curveballs, so who the heck knows what is gonna happen.
All I know is that I can't wait to find out.
Riceball
Master Member
I didn't get the impression that the Orville was CG in that scene, at least not in the usual sense of the term. I don't think that the Orville, or much, if any, of the backgrou were 3D models, to me they looked like good old fashioned matte paintings. Of course, they were probably done digitially using some kind of paint program, but a matte painting never the less. It's been mentioned here before that they were going to use a combination of practical and CG on the show and matt paintings are most definitely a classic practical effect that have been in use for decades.
SickleClaw
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Yeah I agree here that Isaac's seeming betrayal here was extremely shocking as he is a character we have known for a season and a half and have grown to like. Making us feel that emotional impact is a definite sign that we have managed to be so attached to him, to make the ultimate heel turn worse. I mean otherwise Isaac definitely just comes across as the worse villain they've faced so far.
CB2001
Master Member
I'm not tooting my horn, but I sort of saw this coming as far back as "A Happy Refrain." I didn't predict the Kaylon taking off to destroy all life ala RoboCop vs. The Terminator Issue #3, or even Issac's heel-face turn. But, I posted this in the WMG section of TV Tropes' Orville page weeks ago:
The Kaylon will refuse to join The Union.
As we learn in the recent episode of "A Happy Refrain," Isacc's main reason for being on the Orville is to document and submit a report to Kaylon-1 about the organics that he's been in presence of. In the first episode of the series, Ed points out that Kaylons are "notoriously racist" to other species. Isaac will submit his report to Kaylon-1 and the Kaylons will refuse to join The Union due to what they read, or more than likely, not finding anything of value or interest to them or their society. When given the order to come back, Isaac will have to choose between going back or being labeled as "defective" and not be allowed to return back to Kaylon ever or possibly be dismantled upon sight by other Kaylons.
I was predicting more of a story where Isaac was gonna have to choose between his kind and his life on The Orville. Though partially right, I didn't expect the mass genocide by the Kaylon.
The Kaylon will refuse to join The Union.
As we learn in the recent episode of "A Happy Refrain," Isacc's main reason for being on the Orville is to document and submit a report to Kaylon-1 about the organics that he's been in presence of. In the first episode of the series, Ed points out that Kaylons are "notoriously racist" to other species. Isaac will submit his report to Kaylon-1 and the Kaylons will refuse to join The Union due to what they read, or more than likely, not finding anything of value or interest to them or their society. When given the order to come back, Isaac will have to choose between going back or being labeled as "defective" and not be allowed to return back to Kaylon ever or possibly be dismantled upon sight by other Kaylons.
I was predicting more of a story where Isaac was gonna have to choose between his kind and his life on The Orville. Though partially right, I didn't expect the mass genocide by the Kaylon.
SickleClaw
Well-Known Member
I think that after this, they're definitely going to have the Krill join the Union, with Teleya seeing reason.
CB2001
Master Member
Or, next episode, they'll resolve this issue, and it's the Chak'tal that end up causing a lot more problems with the Krill to the point where the Krill will have no choice than to approach the Union to help broker a peace between all three species, and Ed being the one to help in making it possible. But that's just my opinion.
But I think it would be funny if Teleya turns up again, and having to have listened to Billy Joel's Greatest Hits, liking one out of the many songs, and ironically it being "Only The Good Die Young" (which she mistakes as a religious hymm, much like she confused who the hero was in Raiders of the Lost Ark).
Strikerkc
Sr Member
I'm calling it; mass VR simulation on the Orville crew as a final test of the virtues of the Union (or more likely on those that left the ship with Issac).
I don't see what use shutting off Issac from that far away accomplishes besides to lure final test subjects back to Kaylon for final evaluation. If every unit is reassigned and re-purposed when their mission is over, they'd give him orders to come home, not give him orders to turn off where his tech would be in non-kaylon hands, where they could never recover and re-purpose him.
I don't see what use shutting off Issac from that far away accomplishes besides to lure final test subjects back to Kaylon for final evaluation. If every unit is reassigned and re-purposed when their mission is over, they'd give him orders to come home, not give him orders to turn off where his tech would be in non-kaylon hands, where they could never recover and re-purpose him.
They honor Trek but I doubt they would blatantly copy DS-9's surprise revelation. I do think they would fake towards it, then veer off into a dsrk WTF
Strikerkc
Sr Member
For those of us that never made it through DS9, can you give some more info on what you mean?
Strikerkc
Sr Member
possibly. There's just... too much else to overcome if the turn coat bit is not a ruse. if the Tech they have is accurate, they don't need security codes to get to earth (they shut down the Orvile in orbit before they scanned it, they could do the same to any other ship or station they passed by).
and if they really ARE that powerful, then there's nothing that can be done to stop them, short of Issac somehow choosing to destroy all of Kaylon in a double super secret probation turn coat move.
Too much of it doesn't make sense. Mass graves under every city with easy access tunnels. Even if there had been a genocide, they'd have ground them to dust, and used all the subterranean space to build more data centers and power sources. Then dug even deeper and built more. Plus the only way the rest of the galaxy would pose a threat to the Kaylon would be if the whole galaxy united against them; smoking one of the main worlds in the union would do just that.
They've set too much UP to make it possible that it's a simulation. They've established that it's possible to pull memories from a person so convincing, that they wouldn't tell a simulation of their own parents apart from fiction (the zoo episode), and they've shown that Issac (and by extension, any/all Kaylons) are capable of creating a simulated world, where humans and other creatures act and react correctly in a way to fool the target (he's the one that set up the "Face your fears" simulation for the original security officer).
It all smells wrong. And while the Orville has been GREAT at skipping over unnecessary exposition, whenever it's smelled wrong, it's been shown there was a reason for it.
I'm pointing at the "shut down and scan" in space as the shift from real to simulation.
and if they really ARE that powerful, then there's nothing that can be done to stop them, short of Issac somehow choosing to destroy all of Kaylon in a double super secret probation turn coat move.
Too much of it doesn't make sense. Mass graves under every city with easy access tunnels. Even if there had been a genocide, they'd have ground them to dust, and used all the subterranean space to build more data centers and power sources. Then dug even deeper and built more. Plus the only way the rest of the galaxy would pose a threat to the Kaylon would be if the whole galaxy united against them; smoking one of the main worlds in the union would do just that.
They've set too much UP to make it possible that it's a simulation. They've established that it's possible to pull memories from a person so convincing, that they wouldn't tell a simulation of their own parents apart from fiction (the zoo episode), and they've shown that Issac (and by extension, any/all Kaylons) are capable of creating a simulated world, where humans and other creatures act and react correctly in a way to fool the target (he's the one that set up the "Face your fears" simulation for the original security officer).
It all smells wrong. And while the Orville has been GREAT at skipping over unnecessary exposition, whenever it's smelled wrong, it's been shown there was a reason for it.
I'm pointing at the "shut down and scan" in space as the shift from real to simulation.
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