The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread

[TK765]

Good article here...

An Honor To Be Nominated: Star Wars - The Morton Report

" It’s ironic that the version of Star Wars that’s widely available today isn’t the same movie that won six Academy Awards. Starting with the 1997 Special Edition re-releases, Lucas has continued fiddling around with the film, tweaking effects, adding scenes, and generally making a mess of what was perfectly fine to begin with."

"But it goes beyond whether or not Han shot first. Take another look at the names of the people who won Oscars for their work on Star Wars. George Lucas is not among them. No matter what he’d like to believe, Lucas did not single-handedly create this film. To continually change it is a sign of disrespect for his collaborators. It says your work wasn’t good enough. "

Thats why Star Wars was a success, George didn't have time do it all on his own and he had to rely on others for help. Whats happening now is a man that has too much time on his hands.

Empire was a success because he stayed out of it. Jedi turned into a mess because he was involved too much.

The prequels followed suit and are bad because no one working on the films had the guts to tell him some of his decisions were dumb, starting with the stories.

 

[Mechinyun]

The new obi won scream is freaking hilarious and totally ridiculous... i laugh :lol every time i hear it.

Seriously.. who heard that and though... thats AWESOME.

WWWOOOOOOOO-AANNNNNNGGGUUOOOOOOOOOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw

 

[Solo4114]

I still like the Michael Jackson mashup the best.

 

[cayman shen]

OMG, that's what it sounds like :lol

I know! Every time I hear it, I'm surprised that my face isn't wet. :sick

 

[nightrider]

Good article here...

An Honor To Be Nominated: Star Wars - The Morton Report

" It’s ironic that the version of Star Wars that’s widely available today isn’t the same movie that won six Academy Awards. Starting with the 1997 Special Edition re-releases, Lucas has continued fiddling around with the film, tweaking effects, adding scenes, and generally making a mess of what was perfectly fine to begin with."

"But it goes beyond whether or not Han shot first. Take another look at the names of the people who won Oscars for their work on Star Wars. George Lucas is not among them. No matter what he’d like to believe, Lucas did not single-handedly create this film. To continually change it is a sign of disrespect for his collaborators. It says your work wasn’t good enough. "

Thats why Star Wars was a success, George didn't have time do it all on his own and he had to rely on others for help. Whats happening now is a man that has too much time on his hands.

Empire was a success because he stayed out of it. Jedi turned into a mess because he was involved too much.

The prequels followed suit and are bad because no one working on the films had the guts to tell him some of his decisions were dumb, starting with the stories.

The very things I've said all along. The OT was largely a success despite of Lucas and not because of him. It was mostly due to the people around the project at the time. His wife's editing I'm sure had no small part to play. Read an interview with Dave Prowse the other day and in it he calls ESB "Star Wars for grown-ups." Pretty much summed it up although I think ANH or "Star Wars" is right there with it. It amazes me to hear others(always fanboys) defend the prequels like they are even in the same universe as a film like Empire. When you ask others who aren't "fan boys" they seem to get it and give an honest answer having no real emotional investment either way. They clearly recognise the difference in these films. I've said it a bunch of times here but my grandfather pretty well summed it up. He wasn't even a sci-fi fan at all but watched them all with me. He liked Empire the most and ANH pretty well also. The rest he said were like watching cartoons.

 

[grimlock2d]

The Obi scream is horrific. Ugh...

 

[Ruf]

No, no, no. The travel scenes that were originally there are fine. I think you're missing our point.

When I first saw Empire, I didn't ask,

"Hey, where'd Vader go? Wait, is he still on Cloud City or did he get a ride back to his Star Destroyer?"

I never had any sort of misunderstanding as to his whereabouts, and I don't need a shot of his shuttle flying to know that after he requests, "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival" that he did indeed get on his shuttle and fly back to his Star Destroyer.

"Bring my shuttle" is PERFECT.

I agree 100% and have zero intention to buy the blu ray until they release it as a true original trilogy. I was born in 77 and grew up watching these movies and have filled in the blanks with my own imagination.

 

[MooCriket]

http://www.ultimatecoupons.com/blog...rs-characters-lived-in-our-world-infographic/

 

[darth_myeek]

Now I just need to find someone who wants to sell their bluray extras.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

The very things I've said all along. The OT was largely a success despite of Lucas and not because of him. It was mostly due to the people around the project at the time. His wife's editing I'm sure had no small part to play. Read an interview with Dave Prowse the other day and in it he calls ESB "Star Wars for grown-ups." Pretty much summed it up although I think ANH or "Star Wars" is right there with it. It amazes me to hear others(always fanboys) defend the prequels like they are even in the same universe as a film like Empire. When you ask others who aren't "fan boys" they seem to get it and give an honest answer having no real emotional investment either way. They clearly recognise the difference in these films. I've said it a bunch of times here but my grandfather pretty well summed it up. He wasn't even a sci-fi fan at all but watched them all with me. He liked Empire the most and ANH pretty well also. The rest he said were like watching cartoons.

I think it's going too far to say the first movie was a success despite Lucas. He'd just made 2 very good, striking films, THX and Graffiti, and had the respect of master director Francis Ford Coppola. It cuts both ways. You could say the FX worked despite Dykstra. If Dykstra had had his way, the X-wings would be going far slower down that trench. Dykstra believed fast x-wings in that space would look unrealistic. Lucas insisted on fast X-wings.

I think what it is is that back then Lucas could see what was crap and got people in to fix it. That's what's changed by the 90s. The dialogue is a good example of this. In '76 he recognised his own dialogue was weak and had the sense to bring in the Huycks to liven it up. His judgment was fine. I don't think it's the case that the only reason the film's good is because everyone was telling him, 'look, this, that and the other are crap and should be done this way'. Obviously he acted on advice for improvements here and there, - and sometimes he didn't act, wisely - but it's not the whole picture by a long shot.

Oh, and a word about the editing. The first editor was replaced by Lucas, who brought in better editors. Another plus for Lucas' judgment. Also, one of the finest pieces of editing in the movie is the TIE attack on the Falcon. It was done by Lucas.

 

[decaturvader]

I was curious - went to Amazon and wanted to see prices and reviews.

George isn't getting a warm reception there..read on:

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Episodes I-VI) [Blu-ray]

 

[Prop Collector]

Spielberg Won't Alter E.T. or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK for Blu-ray Release

thumbsup:thumbsup

I was looking forward to Indy throwing a walkie talkie at the swordsman in Raiders.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

Well, Lucas wasn't alone in revising SW. Muren seems to have been a motivating factor in throwing out his own DS battle shots:

"The initial scope of it involved two dozen shots," ILMer Tom Kennedy says. [8] Denis Muren at ILM also drew up a list of shots that had always bothered him, mainly in spaceship motion, which Lucas was open to using, and Tom Kennedy and others then contributed ideas for new additions [9] --since Fox was paying for it all, it was looked at as free R&D for ILM to use for the prequels Lucas was also planning. [10]"

From:The Secret History of Star Wars

I'd say to Muren that the DS surface pov flybys needed fixing before any spaceship shots... These were the shots that bothered me, even as a kid. They still do, though I wouldn't change them now. The time for that was 1977 before release.

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

That article I mentioned is amazing. It highlights problems with the digital clean-up processes themselves such as the erasure of grain and even stars:

"Another flaw that has been speculated to be the result of the Lowry process is the disappearance of the star fields--if one looks at the space star fields, most of them have either been re-done or have had many of the stars erased. This could be a result of the crushed blacks on the color-timing, or because the Lowry software couldn't distinguished between stars and dirt and erased them, resulting in ILM having to create new ones. This could have also been enacted for purely aesthetic reasons, but this seems very unnecessary."

 

[Treadwell]

Where starfields have been replaced, it is because the shot was rebuilt using the original elements.

 

[nightrider]

I won't say that he's never had a good idea, after all he came up with the story in the first place. I just think the success of the first films had A LOT to do with the people involved. It was a combination of all the right pieces at just the right time. Magic!!!

 

[Colin Droidmilk]

^ Well, yeah! Agreed!

 

[SVTStingRay]

still not buying this. i refuse to buy this. i will not cave in to buying this. im gonna watch my laser rips and curl up into a ball and cry.

call me crazy but i actually want to see the opening of sith....... but must resist.

 

[rodneyfaile]

still not buying this. i refuse to buy this. i will not cave in to buying this. im gonna watch my laser rips and curl up into a ball and cry.

call me crazy but i actually want to see the opening of sith....... but must resist.

Why?

Sounds like all you are doing is keeping yourself from doing something that you really WANT to do.

You can like the originals AND these versions.

I like every version of Blade Runner and I watch them all.

 

[nightrider]

^ Can kinda agree with that. I wouldn't mind so much if he tinkered with these films till his hearts content, if he would at least give the portion of the fans that care about the originals what they want and do them the honor they deserve as cultural icons. I do enjoy some of the changes and like you enjoy the different versions of Blade Runner also.