The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread
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blip
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Could it be that he just liked his childhood memories of the old black and white films and was fighting to have them unaltered, just like the people here are doing with their childhood memories?
And come to think of it, now I know why Star Wars worked. It somehow captured the spirit of George's childhood times at the cinema. Those b&w films are his Star Wars.
The only way we are going to get back at him is to release black and white, high contrast, scratchy, poor sound copies of Star Wars.
Solo4114
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Not sure what you're getting at specifically.
I wasn't saying what you do or don't understand. More saying what I thought was influencing your read of the Lucas' speech and why I disagree. As for the speech, what do you mean exactly?
NAZGÛL
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A reply to PHArchivist's post.
Solo4114
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I ment that I can see Solos points, that he made a good post. But no, I dont agree with it though.
Perhaps its language problems. No hard feelings on my part.
None here, either. Reasonable people can disagree.
And as for language problems, don't sweat it. Your English is WAY better than my Swedish. 
dualedge
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Nazgul, I respectfully disagree about the speech's relevancy.
Here's the part of Lucas' speech I find particularly relevant.
Even with the caveat that he's talking about someone else holding the copyrights to a film, he's still clear about "preserving the original negatives of the films they control." Is he doing that? We can assume so. He's pretty good at saving stuff although he's also pretty good at ranting about how the latest version is the one and only "official" version.
He expressed concern about presumably someone else modifying the originals and the original being lost over time. Isn't that exactly the issue we're discussing?
In both cases, he's talking about preserving the original and yet in his actions he suppresses the original by only offering the modified versions. And if you only offer the modified versions long enough... then the original has been replaced by a modified version.
If that's the case, it doesn't ultimately matter whether the film is modified by either the artist themselves or another copyright holder. The original is still lost and his point is still contradicted. This is why in my humble opinion the speech is very much relevant whether it's a smaller part of a larger congressional hearing or not. The contradiction between statement and action are not going to be explained away by a larger context.
Here's the part of Lucas' speech I find particularly relevant.
Even with the caveat that he's talking about someone else holding the copyrights to a film, he's still clear about "preserving the original negatives of the films they control." Is he doing that? We can assume so. He's pretty good at saving stuff although he's also pretty good at ranting about how the latest version is the one and only "official" version.
He expressed concern about presumably someone else modifying the originals and the original being lost over time. Isn't that exactly the issue we're discussing?
In both cases, he's talking about preserving the original and yet in his actions he suppresses the original by only offering the modified versions. And if you only offer the modified versions long enough... then the original has been replaced by a modified version.
If that's the case, it doesn't ultimately matter whether the film is modified by either the artist themselves or another copyright holder. The original is still lost and his point is still contradicted. This is why in my humble opinion the speech is very much relevant whether it's a smaller part of a larger congressional hearing or not. The contradiction between statement and action are not going to be explained away by a larger context.
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Darth Lars
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I have replaced several of my VHS tapes of the original trilogy because the old cassette had broken in some way or another. Two of them have been replaced more than once.The only digital copies I have (on DVD or other) are rips from Laserdisc and fan-edits ... and it looks like it is going to stay that way, unfortunately. I would really have liked to have a copy in better resolution and which does not degenerate with each viewing.
I actually don't mind minor clean-ups, fixed garbage mattes, enhanced starfields, or even added subtle details such as aliens blinking etc. but the change that we are talking about now is actually a change in the dialogue! Lucas' property or not, it is still ridiculous.
From what I have learned about the new release, Lucasfilm has not done much work on actually fixing any of the things that were wrong with the 2004 (and 2006) DVD release - such as black levels or the colour timing. The little things they did do, such as painting new lightsaber blades was only done half-way, not in all the shots where it needed to be fixed.
Matthew Wood used to sign at conventions. After this, I suppose that he will need to hire bodyguards if he is going to do that again ... hee hee.
I actually don't mind minor clean-ups, fixed garbage mattes, enhanced starfields, or even added subtle details such as aliens blinking etc. but the change that we are talking about now is actually a change in the dialogue! Lucas' property or not, it is still ridiculous.
From what I have learned about the new release, Lucasfilm has not done much work on actually fixing any of the things that were wrong with the 2004 (and 2006) DVD release - such as black levels or the colour timing. The little things they did do, such as painting new lightsaber blades was only done half-way, not in all the shots where it needed to be fixed.
Ben Burtt has left Lucasfilm years ago, apparently. Matthew Wood is his successor. Wood has remade the entire sound mix for the original trilogy. You can read about it on Home Theater Forum. According to Wood, Lucas wanted several audio changes, and Wood carried them out.
Matthew Wood used to sign at conventions. After this, I suppose that he will need to hire bodyguards if he is going to do that again ... hee hee.
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NAZGÛL
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None here, either. Reasonable people can disagree.
:lol :thumbsup
I was already on the fence about getting this release. But now with this news of more tinkering with dialogue etc. there is no way.
This is the last straw George!
I will be waiting for the better fan releases on these in the future. Until then I guess I'll have to settle for the DVD and Laserdisc copies I already have, even though they don't look as good on an HDTV.
This is the last straw George!
I will be waiting for the better fan releases on these in the future. Until then I guess I'll have to settle for the DVD and Laserdisc copies I already have, even though they don't look as good on an HDTV.
PHArchivist
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I ment that I can see Solos points, that he made a good post. But no, I dont agree with it though.
Perhaps its language problems. No hard feelings on my part.
Likewise!
Just in a business sense GL and crew are idiots. They could have released ANH first with 3 or 4 of the different versions of the movie like Blade Runner or Close Encounters did for $40. Everyone would have been jumping for joy and they would have made 1/3 the box set money on one movie. Then do each of the following movies with the same treatment. They would have made more money and made everyone happy. I probably would have bought them all. Now i doubt i will get anything.
exoray
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No not all of them, but the first leaks of the changes were only audio leaks, so several fans did fan dubs with the new audio and uploaded them all over the place...
R2 is hidden in every clip, at least when they show him from the front, when they flip to the view behind him continuity is kinda broken as the opening is much larger... And the frontal close ups with the drastically forced out of focus rocks in the foreground makes me squint...
niennumb1
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Yeah I'd be in heaven if thousands upon hundreds of thousands of people were ripping on my product before it was even released. The negative publicity would make people absolutely running to get my product. Negative reviews usually turn into negative sales. The name "STAR WARS" alone needs very little to get the attention and sell product.
I believe Lucas has another trick up his sleeve as another said here that I think there will be an OT release at some point, but after the 3D release. It will be his big last hoorah before he croaks and passes on the billions upon billions to his kids, who will be required to further screw with the movies until not one remaining old cell is left in the print of the OT. Every shot will have a giant Ronto standing in the way.
I got that this was referring to USAToday, and I agree, but as exo said, polls like these are utter nonsense. If they're taken in a shopping mall then they're representative of shoppers, who won't overlap exactly with the general population or the BR-buying population. If they're taken online then they're representative of those who a) have an Internet account, b) came across the article, c) had enough interest to read it AND d) have enough of an opinion to want to share it. Hardly representative of the average consumer.
You could say he's taking the Steve Jobs approach, eh? Publicity that manufactures itself. I don't believe that's his motivation for a second, of course.
He's been saying that since 1977. It's one of the few things I believe him on. :lol
Unfortunately, while there's a strain of that melodrama in SW, he doesn't understand that few of us share his experience of the old serials and that to us, SW is a very very different animal. Or care, or both.
I'll be very interested to hear whether there are ANY fixes to those issues. I'm dubious...
Yeah. It was quite a falling-out, I heard.
You mean the theatrical versions? Oh, sure. I'd quite likely buy that, if it was the theatrical editions, cleaned up to a good contemporary standard and with the remaining FX fixes addressed. I wouldn't rush or anything, but it would definitely be a nice replacement for my VHS tapes.
blip
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That cracks me up.
Each time I watch a making of extra with Lucas and Burtt I can see the underlying tension. Burtt wants to make the sounds like music and Lucas wants Williams to do the Music with Burtt keeping well out of that arena.
Burtt is an abstract musician at heart...so you see the dissapointment on his face every time Lucas steers his sound effects away from the musical end of the scale.
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